Las Vegas Strip Shooting

[LucidElement]

Hahaha now that I said that tomorrow's headline will be "breaking news" possible motive found..

hahaha I'm prepared to take the heat

[Michelle]

15 minutes ago, LucidElement said:

I said this earlier I believe , but I've been telling everyone around that I highly doubt they will find a motive.

It's possible. The autopsy could find something to explain it too.

I've gotten past the in debt theory from the information provided. If he was so in debt he would have been selling off more property. Not to mention the planes he didn't fly any more.

Edited October 10, 2017 by Michelle

[docyabut2]

 The security guard was the first shot was shot through the door, but he didn't see it was Paddock,   

Edited October 10, 2017 by docyabut2

[RoofGardener]

9 hours ago, pallidin said:

Are you kidding me? You haven't read the entire thread, have you?

Within this thread is a CONSIDERABLE amount of FACTUAL information UM members have posted, and a few theories sprinkled in.

I have read the bulk of this thread from the beginning Pallidin, as it developed. I would suggest there are remarkably few facts, and a HUGE amount of speculation about the 'motives' and the mental state of the gunman.

[Kismit]

3 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

 The security guard was the first shot was shot through the door, but he didn't see it was Paddock,   

But he stayed to clear people out of the building before the police arrived. 

[Michelle]

21 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

I have read the bulk of this thread from the beginning Pallidin, as it developed. I would suggest there are remarkably few facts, and a HUGE amount of speculation about the 'motives' and the mental state of the gunman.

We are bouncing ideas off each others heads. Nothing unusual about it.

[Kismit]

 

1 hour ago, RoofGardener said:

I have read the bulk of this thread from the beginning Pallidin, as it developed. I would suggest there are remarkably few facts, and a HUGE amount of speculation about the 'motives' and the mental state of the gunman.

I think we may just have enough facts to speculate that the shooter may not have been entirely in  a fully mentally stable state.

[Kismit]

5 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

 It could have been a terrorist  that shot that guard and got away . Authorities did say there was no videos cameras around Paddock `s room or that floor to show any actions

The security guard was lucid, he helped get people to safety before being told by an officer to get medical attention.

[pallidin]

Mandalay Bay security guard was shot six minutes before Las Vegas gunman began shooting, police say

 

Jesus Campos, a security guard at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, was shot by Paddock six minutes before he began shooting into a crowd of 22,000 people enjoying the country music festival down below, Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department Sheriff Joe Lombardo said in a news conference Monday evening.

Campos was responding to an alarm going off in the hotel and ventured off to find the source when he came across the sound of drilling.

The security guard told investigators that Paddock was drilling to an adjacent wall in the hallway — most likely to install a camera or to point a rifle — but never finished the job.

Lombardo said the alarm that went off was not connected to Paddock’s room.

Between the time that Campos was shot and Paddock began shooting, Campos notified authorities of what happened, which Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department Undersheriff Kevin McMahill said Friday was “absolutely critical” as it gave police Paddock’s exact location.

Lombardo said Monday that a maintenance worker was also on the 32nd floor at the time Campos was shot, and Campos prevented that man from also being shot or otherwise injured.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/09/mandalay-bay-security-guard-was-shot-six-minutes-before-las-vegas-gunman-began-shooting-police-say.html

[Farmer77]

1 hour ago, Kismit said:

 

I think we may just have enough facts to speculate that the shooter may not have been entirely in  a fully mentally stable state.

Why though?

I ask because its an easy out to say "meh he was just nuts" , but I dont know if its really that simple. 

[Kismit]

7 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Why though?

I ask because its an easy out to say "meh he was just nuts" , but I dont know if its really that simple. 

It kind of is that simple.

The act of planning and acting on cold blooded mass murder is not normal behaivior.

It's not a meh he was just nuts, he was clearly in an abnormal state of mind. The cause of that we don't know. Perhaps a brain tumor, perhaps stress, perhaps he was just born a psychopath, but clearly not behaving in a normal way.

[Farmer77]

1 minute ago, Kismit said:

It kind of is that simple.

The act of planning and acting on cold blooded mass murder is not normal behaivior.

It's not a meh he was just nuts, he was clearly in an abnormal state of mind. The cause of that we don't know. Perhaps a brain tumor, perhaps stress, perhaps he was just born a psychopath, but clearly not behaving in a normal way.

I hear you however my experience tells me that those same behaviors can very much be attributed to the stress of a tactical operation. No mental illness required.

It very well could be exactly as you described , a mentally ill dude just snapped, I just think we're a ways out from excluding other possibilities.  

[Lilly]

Here's my 2 cents worth: Sure, the guy was nuts, but even nutty people do things for a reason. The reasons can have ramifications to society or not. This is why the Feds are still looking for a motive vs just saying he was nuts and moving on. Now, if it gets to the point where there's 'no stone unturned', and it looks like the motive was based only on the shooter's internal psychology, then they will move on.

[Kismit]

2 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

I hear you however my experience tells me that those same behaviors can very much be attributed to the stress of a tactical operation. No mental illness required.

It very well could be exactly as you described , a mentally ill dude just snapped, I just think we're a ways out from excluding other possibilities.  

Those behaiviors including the amount of weaponry Paddock took into the room?

 

[pallidin]

A couple of photo's of Paddock I had not previously seen. Nothing special, just hadn't seen them.

 

[Farmer77]

Just now, Kismit said:

Those behaiviors including the amount of weaponry Paddock took into the room?

 

Absolutely. In fact that makes me think its even more likely that he was farmed by someone to do the job. 

The guy has connections with government contractors (mercenaries), lived a high risk lifestyle due to his gambling making him compromisable , had connections in the Phillipines which are both an Islamic terrorism hotbed AND a hangout for less than scrupulous government contractors and he had recently visited several muslim dominated nations. 

Lots of avenues to explore before settling on the mental illness answer.   

[pallidin]

Nah, he was just a mentally deranged, psycho-sexual, murder-minded freak from whatever cause. No conspiracy needed.

In my opinion anyway.

Edited October 10, 2017 by pallidin

[Kurzweil]

It would be nice to pin point where he went wrong though. What a nut case. I mean, if there was anyone in need of a hulk hogan drop kick to the face it's most definitely this guy.

[pallidin]

9 minutes ago, Kurzweil said:

It would be nice to pin point where he went wrong though. What a nut case. I mean, if there was anyone in need of a hulk hogan drop kick to the face it's most definitely this guy.

Organic defect... i.e. "born a psychopath with severe deviant ideation and paranoia"

 

Edited October 10, 2017 by pallidin

[Kurzweil]

1 minute ago, pallidin said:

Organic defect... aka "born a psychopath with deviant ideation"

 

That's scary.

Then the drop kick probably wouldn't have any effect. Hmm, seems to me it needs more turn buckle then and a full blown Jimmy Superfly from the sky. 

[pallidin]

Paddock did not have the mental capacity to tamper obsession.

This is evidenced by his compulsion for gambling, and his sadistic sexual fantasies.

His fragility to totaly succumb to obsession was so high, that once he got into his head to perform murder the obsession took over and elevated to thoughts of mass murder... extremely obsessive thoughts that his mental defect simply would not allow him to let go of.

The self-realization of this was, perhaps, evidenced in the anguished moaning and terrified vocalization "Oh my God!" witnessed by his girlfriend while he was sleeping.

He knew he had to murder, and murder on a very large scale.

Just my take, of course. I'm no expert.

 

Edited October 10, 2017 by pallidin

[pallidin]

And when we look at other mass murderers, such as in the Aurora, Columbine and Sandy Hook killings, a common psyche-pathology appears to include extreme obsession, meticulous planning and a directed lethality towards complete innocents.

Edited October 10, 2017 by pallidin

[Kurzweil]

I think your analysis might be right and is frightening to think a body is walking around like that. Just a chunk of skin and innards wondering around with one purpose one goal one end game on Its mind.

Edited October 10, 2017 by Kurzweil

[docyabut2]

Again

Its seems Poddock had no madness and hate to kill people. Could a hated terrorist steal  Poddock`s  weapons  go to his room kill him and all those people? Was it ever proven Poddock  carried  those guns to his room?  No one had seen Paddock shooting   

[pallidin]

3 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

Again

Its seems Poddock had no madness and hate to kill people. Could a hated terrorist steal  Poddock`s  weapons  go to his room kill him and all those people? Was it ever proven Poddock  carried  those guns to his room?  No one had seen Paddock shooting   

I completely disagree, but you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

I guess I'm just not a paranoid conspiracist.