Las Vegas Strip Shooting

[pallidin]

Pretty soon we'll have people saying the government secretly sponsored the killings for some "agenda", and others saying that it didn't really happen at all (that the victims were "crisis actors")

[pallidin]

Why can't we simply accept, from abundant facts, that Paddock was a gun collecting psycho that used his guns to murder people.

What so damn hard about that?

There is zero evidence of a second shooter and zero evidence that anyone but Paddock shot himself.

[Farmer77]

52 minutes ago, pallidin said:

Why can't we simply accept, from abundant facts, that Paddock was a gun collecting psycho that used his guns to murder people.

What so damn hard about that?

There is zero evidence of a second shooter and zero evidence that anyone but Paddock shot himself.

Thats just lazy. Don't get me wrong it could turn out that what youre proposing is absolutely the gospel truth. However the kind of cover your mentality provides for those who operate in the shadows, as designed by the alphabet agencies,  really demands we look beyond the easy and eliminate those possibilities.  ......plus its fun to play jr. detective sometimes damnit 

In 1967, the CIA Created the Label "Conspiracy Theorists" ... to Attack Anyone Who Challenges the "Official" Narrative

[F3SS]

1 hour ago, Farmer77 said:

Thats just lazy. Don't get me wrong it could turn out that what youre proposing is absolutely the gospel truth. However the kind of cover your mentality provides for those who operate in the shadows, as designed by the alphabet agencies,  really demands we look beyond the easy and eliminate those possibilities.  ......plus its fun to play jr. detective sometimes damnit 

In 1967, the CIA Created the Label "Conspiracy Theorists" ... to Attack Anyone Who Challenges the "Official" Narrative

Well for one this just seems to be the wrong time to push an operation for gun control given the all republican congress and whitehouse. If instead all democrats were in power that might seem a bit more plausible. Either way any shadowy agencies must realize by now that gun crimes only increase gun sales as does calling for more gun laws. America will never do the Australian thing. That just isn’t ever going to happen. So that’s a wasted effort.

Then if this were fixed from the start to be false terrorism or an act of a foreign aggressor then the evidence would’ve been fixed too and released. This would’ve been the most cut and dry case ever and if the purpose of that would be to get the public fired up for war all the evidence would’ve come quickly while it was fresh and people were angry. So to come out now with something like that the evidence presented will have to be solid concrete or it’ll reek of conspiracy. 

 

Edit: If it were designed to pit us against each other beyond another gun debate then that too failed as there is no clear political motive. If it was a fix then they’d have stuck with him attacking a country concert and never mentioned the other shows he may have planned to attack. But if they wanted to do that right they’d have made the perp a right winger and the mark left wingers because the left is far more easily provoked into violence.

It’s a giant screw up if this was a false flag.

Edited October 10, 2017 by F3SS

[pallidin]

1 hour ago, Farmer77 said:

Thats just lazy. Don't get me wrong it could turn out that what youre proposing is absolutely the gospel truth. However the kind of cover your mentality provides for those who operate in the shadows, as designed by the alphabet agencies,  really demands we look beyond the easy and eliminate those possibilities.  ......plus its fun to play jr. detective sometimes damnit 

In 1967, the CIA Created the Label "Conspiracy Theorists" ... to Attack Anyone Who Challenges the "Official" Narrative

Your ok, there is benefit in alternative thought at times, just be careful not to over-think to the point where the entire world is a conspiracy.

I applaud your tenacity even though we differ in perspective.

[Paranormal Panther]

22 hours ago, Kismit said:

You can't really a  pick ideas from different religions to decide what a God meant. If a belief is so strong that you believe it was given by God, then you have to be pretty aware of that philosphy as your one real belief. Either that or it has to be about the one true God, which would inevitably mean it encompasess all religious beliefs

The truth is there is no god given right. Perhaps a government sanctioned right, but unless all religions can agree then, "The God" given right argument is just a statement of passion and not of fact.

My post wasn't that deep. My point was that the New Testament and the Old Testament seemed contradictory. The verse, from the former, stressed mercy. The verse, from the latter, stressed justice.

[docyabut2]

3 hours ago, pallidin said:

Yes, hallway door, my bad... so how did the terrorists get out, or the supposed gunman who shot Paddock.

The elevator, or maybe they rappeled out the window?

Doesn't matter, the fact remains that Paddock was the lone shooter and Paddock alone committed  suicide.

That issue, for me, is closed, as it is with the authorities.

A lot of hotel rooms have another hotel room with attach doors.

[Paranormal Panther]

22 hours ago, F3SS said:

About Operation Northwoods it didn’t actually happen but I do see the twisted logic in it coming from the MIC. Big money in war. To be clear, I’m a bit disturbed to see that our Joint Chiefs would entertain that.

OTOH I don’t see what a false flag mass murder without a clear political motive would achieve.

That's right. They never executed it. The fact, that they considered and suggested it, was bone-chilling. It sounds like some current 9/11 conspiracy theories.

[Paranormal Panther]

11 hours ago, pallidin said:

Nah, he was just a mentally deranged, psycho-sexual, murder-minded freak from whatever cause. No conspiracy needed.

In my opinion anyway.

You might be posting too much. This belongs in the Harvey Weinstein thread. 

[Kismit]

57 minutes ago, Paranormal Panther said:

My post wasn't that deep. My point was that the New Testament and the Old Testament seemed contradictory. The verse, from the former, stressed mercy. The verse, from the latter, stressed justice.

In the context of the thread niether spoke for a god given right to guns.

[Paranormal Panther]

7 hours ago, Myles said:

Someone would want credit for doing this if they went through the trouble of hiring him to do it.  

I think he was just nuts.

ISIS took "credit" for it. Of course, they probably do the same for the Hindenberg disaster.

[Paranormal Panther]

1 minute ago, Kismit said:

In the context of the thread niether spoke for a god given right to guns.

That's true. It was not my intention to do so.

[Paranormal Panther]

4 hours ago, pallidin said:

Why can't we simply accept, from abundant facts, that Paddock was a gun collecting psycho that used his guns to murder people.

What so damn hard about that?

There is zero evidence of a second shooter and zero evidence that anyone but Paddock shot himself.

That might be how it all went down there, but we don't know that with absolute certainty, which demonstrates why we should not go *too* far in the direction that you seem to recommend. Sometimes (not talking about your point about this particular case), it's absurd to reflexively believe the authorities and the establishment when they put forth versions of events that have more holes than Swiss cheese. These stories can be as ridiculous as many crazy conspiracy theories. We also can find many historical events that prove that it pays to use skepticism when we first hear/read governmental explanations of tragic events.

[Michelle]

1 hour ago, docyabut2 said:

A lot of hotel rooms have another hotel room with attach doors.

Then the exit would have been in eyesight of the security guard.

According to new reports the security guard was shot in the leg before the mass shooting started. He was in the hallway before the shooting started and was there until it ended. They were afraid the door was booby trapped so they didn't break it in right away. Considering the obstruction of the other door, the video streaming outside the room and the planning involved it wasn't an unreasonable suspicion.

Edited October 11, 2017 by Michelle

[pallidin]

1 hour ago, Paranormal Panther said:

ISIS took "credit" for it. Of course, they probably do the same for the Hindenberg disaster.

Lol... so true.

[pallidin]

19 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

 The security guard was the first shot was shot through the door, but he didn't see it was Paddock,   

Since Paddock was found to be the only person in the room, and within an environment totality that no person could escape undetected (except out the broken windows), the shooter of the security guard was most certainly Paddock.

[pallidin]

I recall reading that phone numbers were found in Paddock's hotel room and that authorities have been contacting the numbers.

Presumably at least one or more were numbers to arrange prostitutes.

Should be interesting what might come of that particular aspect of the investigation.

Of course, we already have statements from one prostitute, the "mystery woman", who described Paddock's sexual encounters with her as violent, rape-oriented fantasies.

 

Edited October 11, 2017 by pallidin

[pallidin]

A note found in the room of Paddock contained details of phone numbers, the official added.

The 64-year-old regularly hired prostitutes on his visits to Vegas, a family friend yesterday confirmed.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.************/news/4632404/las-vegas-killer-stephen-paddock-was-with-prostitute-in-days-before-massacre-official-reveals/amp/

[Michelle]

Several reports have said they are reviewing over 200 videos of him and he was always alone. He was a creature of habit so it shouldn't be difficult to trace his tracks in the days before the attack.

It's going to take a while to go through it all.

[Wes4747]

This guy earned millions of dollars a year gambling? Thats hard to believe, is he even a pro?

Where did his starting cash come from? His mom loaned him some money to start a real estate business?? The money aint making sense, im missing something.

[Wes4747]

this guy was smart, strange story indeed.

[glorybebe]

6 hours ago, pallidin said:

Pretty soon we'll have people saying the government secretly sponsored the killings for some "agenda", and others saying that it didn't really happen at all (that the victims were "crisis actors")

Actually, I already read some posts stating that on some news sites.  I don't understand how they can dismiss these deaths as "phake news"

[Likely Guy]

1 hour ago, pallidin said:

Since Paddock was found to be the only person in the room, and within an environment totality that no person could escape undetected (except out the broken windows), the shooter of the security guard was most certainly Paddock.

I saw it in Mission Impossible, so it must be true.

[pallidin]

I must say, this thread is most invigorating.

Nothing like the secret subtleties of a mass-murderer to churn the old noggin.

Good job everyone.

[Wes4747]

i find it odd. Intelligent, brother says he was a nice guy, took care of his tenants. House broken into same weekend he decides to do this. Had a girlfriend after two failed marriages..

Yet, the media is also making him out to be a reclusive, prostitute john with an unhealthy infatuation with firearms.

How doea the reclusive type marry twice, have a currwnt girlfriend and have time for prostitutes???