Las Vegas Strip Shooting

[pallidin]

Las Vegas Shooting: Autopsy on gunman's body complete

Posted: Oct 09, 2017 1:45 PM MDTUpdated: Oct 09, 2017 1:45 PM MDT

The coroner says an autopsy has been done on the man who authorities say rained gunfire on a concert crowd from a Las Vegas Strip hotel suite and shot himself dead before police burst into his room.
    
Clark County Coroner John Fudenberg (FYOU'-den-berg) didn't say Monday when Stephen Paddock's body would be released to his family or how long it will be before forensic and toxicology results are made public.
    
Fudenberg told The Associated Press he can't speak at this time about a cause of death, details of the autopsy, or the location of the body because of the ongoing investigation.
    
He says "extensive forensic analysis" is continuing.
    
Paddock's brother, Eric Paddock, told the Las Vegas Review-Journal (http://bit.ly/2yzrWEz) that he wanted to have his brother's remains cremated and the ashes sent to their 89-year-old mother in Orlando, Florida.
    

http://www.khq.com/story/36554810/las-vegas-shooting-autopsy-on-gunmans-body-complete

[Likely Guy]

4 minutes ago, Wes4747 said:

i find it odd. Intelligent, brother says he was a nice guy, took care of his tenants. House broken into same weekend he decides to do this. Had a girlfriend after two failed marriages..

Yet, the media is also making him out to be a reclusive, prostitute john with an unhealthy infatuation with firearms.

How doea the reclusive type marry twice, have a currwnt girlfriend and have time for prostitutes???

You're talking about a 30 year + history. A lot can happen in that time.

[pallidin]

4 minutes ago, Wes4747 said:

i find it odd. Intelligent, brother says he was a nice guy, took care of his tenants. House broken into same weekend he decides to do this. Had a girlfriend after two failed marriages..

Yet, the media is also making him out to be a reclusive, prostitute john with an unhealthy infatuation with firearms.

How doea the reclusive type marry twice, have a currwnt girlfriend and have time for prostitutes???

I hear you. We all hear you. Odd indeed, but unfortunately very, very real and unspeakably tragic.

[Kismit]

Questions for those posters who want to see a conspiracy here.

Why? What purpose dose this serve? How would anyone benefit from this?

How? How do you actually pull off a conspiracy like this? If it actually was some conspiracy wouldn't the information be fed to you a little more smoothly. Mistake free? The logistics are rediculous.

Why not guess that every "mass" shooting in America is a conspiracy?

And what if this is just a guy who decided to shoot people un prompted? How will you ever really know until you eliminate the orobable before reaxhing for the possible.

[Likely Guy]

Because, "Terrorists" and "False Flags" are way sexier than the probable truth?

Edit: Meh. This is why I left this discussion originally. I should do so again.

Edited October 11, 2017 by Likely Guy

[Kismit]

I personally blame InfoWars. I have spent a bit of time flicking over and watching Alex Jones response to this and good lord you wouldn't guess he is finding all sorts of stupid little reasons to sensationalise this story so people will tune in and buy his products. 

The idiocy makes me titchy.

 

[Likely Guy]

1 minute ago, Kismit said:

I personally blame InfoWars. I have spent a bit of time flicking over and watching Alex Jones response to this and good lord you wouldn't guess he is finding all sorts of stupid little reasons to sensationalise this story so people will tune in and buy his products. 

The idiocy makes me titchy.

 

Why stop there? See what GotNews.com or RealNews.com has to say?

I will not provide a link.

Yeah, the main stream, established news sites with actual editors and fact checkers who provide retractions in case they err, are the real problem.

[Kismit]

6 minutes ago, Likely Guy said:

Why stop there? See what GotNews.com or RealNews.com has to say?

I will not provide a link.

Yeah, the main stream, established news sites with actual editors and fact checkers who provide retractions in case they err, are the real problem.

I long for the days before internet troll media.

[pallidin]

 

Las Vegas shooter fired 'incendiary' rounds at fuel tank

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/10/10/us/las-vegas-shooter-incendiary-rounds/index.html

 

(CNN)Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock fired special "incendiary" bullets at a 43,000-barrel fuel tank in what investigators believe was an attempt to cause an explosion, two law enforcement sources told CNN.

Those types of rounds, meant to ignite what they hit, were found inside Paddock's room at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino and near the fuel tank a short distance away on the grounds of McCarran International Airport, the sources said.

Authorities have previously disclosed that Paddock fired at the tank and struck it with two rifle rounds, when he opened fire on the crowd below from his 32nd floor hotel room on October 1. They had not disclosed that he used incendiary rounds to fire at the tank, which contains jet fuel.

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Talk about potential carnage! Paddock was even more horrifically planful than I had thought.

[pallidin]

Las Vegas gunman believed to have used hotel's freight elevator in the days leading up the deadly attack

https://www.google.com/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4968086/amp/Las-Vegas-shooter-used-hotel-s-freight-elevator.html

 

Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock is believed to have used the freight elevator at the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino in the days ahead of the deadly attack last week.

It is not clear what Paddock used the freight elevator for or how often he used it.

According to CBS News, authorities are continuing to look at Paddock's electronic devices - including a laptop and a cellphone - at an FBI crime lab in Quantico, Virginia. 

It's also been revealed that Paddock fired special 'incendiary' bullets - meant to ignite when they hit - at a jet fuel tank, hoping to created an explosion, according to CNN. 

[preacherman76]

6 hours ago, Kismit said:

Questions for those posters who want to see a conspiracy here.

Why? What purpose dose this serve? How would anyone benefit from this?

How? How do you actually pull off a conspiracy like this? If it actually was some conspiracy wouldn't the information be fed to you a little more smoothly. Mistake free? The logistics are rediculous.

Why not guess that every "mass" shooting in America is a conspiracy?

And what if this is just a guy who decided to shoot people un prompted? How will you ever really know until you eliminate the orobable before reaxhing for the possible.

No one wants to see a conspiracy, nor is anyone claiming to know the motive behind a possible conspiracy. Fact is there is information put out that was wrong, and had to be forced into the conversation to correct it. Its perfectly reasonable to ask why.

[Farmer77]

6 hours ago, Kismit said:

Questions for those posters who want to see a conspiracy here.

Why? What purpose dose this serve? How would anyone benefit from this?

How? How do you actually pull off a conspiracy like this? If it actually was some conspiracy wouldn't the information be fed to you a little more smoothly. Mistake free? The logistics are rediculous.

Why not guess that every "mass" shooting in America is a conspiracy?

And what if this is just a guy who decided to shoot people un prompted? How will you ever really know until you eliminate the orobable before reaxhing for the possible.

Its not that I want to see conspiracy  however Ive personally been involved in things once deemed nothing more than "conspiracy theory" on a professional level. I think for me once I passed that threshold of "holy **** this is actually real" as I watched government officials on TV lie about what I had done at work that day  it made just about anything seem possible , all it takes is a few well placed folks and a lot of cold hard cash.  

What I wont do is make dogmatic claims like I know why or how or who but I think in this and in many cases being a vigilant citizen as our founding fathers called on us and looking at all angles  is important, especially in light of some of the questionable errors coming from the officials involved. 

 

 

[Myles]

9 hours ago, Wes4747 said:

i find it odd. Intelligent, brother says he was a nice guy, took care of his tenants. House broken into same weekend he decides to do this. Had a girlfriend after two failed marriages..

Yet, the media is also making him out to be a reclusive, prostitute john with an unhealthy infatuation with firearms.

How doea the reclusive type marry twice, have a currwnt girlfriend and have time for prostitutes???

I don't think a prostitute takes too much time. 

To be honest, if I was planning to do such a horrible act, I would probably partake in a few prostitutes in Vegas where it is legal.  

[Wes4747]

no CT theorist here, just curious as to who this guy was and what his motive may have been...

[pallidin]

Las Vegas shooter reportedly used hotel freight elevator as high-rolling perk

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/11/bellhop-reportedly-helped-las-vegas-gunman-with-bags-as-resort-cops-differ-over-timeline.html

A Las Vegas bellhop may have unwittingly helped Stephen Paddock carry his arsenal of weapons and ammunition up a freight elevator Paddock accessed through a special hotel perk and into the out-of-view 32nd-floor suite Paddock used to rain down mayhem on a country music concert crowd.

An unidentified hotel worker – at least twice – helped Paddock with his belongings, although authorities have yet to identify any abnormalities in the gunman’s behavior after reviewing hotel security footage from the lead-up to the Oct. 1 attack, the Las Vegas Review-Journal reported Tuesday.

[Farmer77]

Ugh can you imagine the guilt that bellhop is feeling right now? Even knowing its illogical guilt it has to be crushing. Poor dude, hope he got a helluva tip 

[Farmer77]

Not sure what to make of this but it definitely adds to the inconsistencies from law enforcement 

Worker warned hotel before Las Vegas shooter opened fire on crowd 

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 A maintenance worker said Wednesday he told hotel dispatchers to call police and report a gunman had opened fire with a rifle inside the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino hotel before the shooter began firing from his high-rise suite into a crowd at a nearby musical performance.

The revised timeline has renewed questions about whether better communication might have allowed police to respond more quickly and take out the gunman before he committed the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.

 

[Paranormal Panther]

17 hours ago, Kismit said:

Questions for those posters who want to see a conspiracy here.

Why? What purpose dose this serve? How would anyone benefit from this?

How? How do you actually pull off a conspiracy like this? If it actually was some conspiracy wouldn't the information be fed to you a little more smoothly. Mistake free? The logistics are rediculous.

Why not guess that every "mass" shooting in America is a conspiracy?

And what if this is just a guy who decided to shoot people un prompted? How will you ever really know until you eliminate the orobable before reaxhing for the possible.

It's normal to question claims after such events. That's especially true when new information proves that some of the first claims are wrong. That's especially true when many reasonable questions aren't addressed or answered. Some conspiracy theories are ridiculous. Some people, who reflexively scoff at reasonable doubts, also are ridiculous. It's only normal to question authorities' comments about events like this, especially when there are changing stories and contradictions. We also have a long history of disinformation, as well as misinformation. One also could ask why people are so willing to believe all claims, from authorities, as if they are the gospel truth.   

[Kismit]

13 minutes ago, Paranormal Panther said:

It's normal to question claims after such events. That's especially true when new information proves that some of the first claims are wrong. That's especially true when many reasonable questions aren't addressed or answered. Some conspiracy theories are ridiculous. Some people, who reflexively scoff at reasonable doubts, also are ridiculous. It's only normal to question authorities' comments about events like this, especially when there are changing stories and contradictions. We also have a long history of disinformation, as well as misinformation. One also could ask why people are so willing to believe all claims, from authorities, as if they are the gospel truth.   

I beg to differ I would be more worried if the story didn't have any discrepencies. If discrepencies appear in an on going investigation that's kind of normal.

If the story is perfect from start to finish with no deviation from the original narrative, then there is a problem. (Stepford wives)

People are flawed, investigations are flawed. It shouldn't run perfectly.

I don't blindly believe authority figures, because I know they are flawed, but I understand the investigation is much bigger and more difficult than we may realise.

Benefit of the doubt. It's their job.

If there really is a problem it will come out.

The leaks and misinformation become thicker and more prominent as time goes on. That's why the first 24 hours in an investigation are the most important.

[Paranormal Panther]

3 minutes ago, Kismit said:

I beg to differ I would be more worried if the story didn't have any discrepencies. If discrepencies appear in an on going investigation that's kind of normal.

If the story is perfect from start to finish with no deviation from the original narrative, then there is a problem. (Stepford wives)

People are flawed, investigations are flawed. It shouldn't run perfectly.

There are discrepancies, and there are *discrepancies*, but you proved my point for me. The claims could be wrong due to conspiracies *or* mistakes. It's wise to use skepticism in any event, even if the mistakes are benign in nature. That's just common sense.

[Paranormal Panther]

My very first thought was that this was the act of a lone evil and insane person. I soon later thought that other people knew about his homicidal plans. The mysterious couple, at the concert, raised the first real red flags. My guess is that this case will turn out to be different than the way in which it was first presented. 

[Kismit]

7 minutes ago, Kismit said:

The leaks and misinformation become thicker and more prominent as time goes on. That's why the first 24 hours in an investigation are the most important.

Sorry Paranormal Panther I don't think you saw this bit I edited it in after I posted.

Witness' when intervied early are most likely to be accurate in their statements (not always perfect as shown in the bannana bank robbery scenario). Witness' after the event and after confiring with others are more likely to have their memories inadvertantly altered.

In other words early information is generally more acurate, whats coming out now is the medias way of keeping us interested.

[docyabut2]

It hard to believe why this Poddock a talk of a very nice rich person was so military. It was just reported  his home was broken into. Perhaps what I suggested  his guns were stolen, but someone else  took the guns to Poddock  hotel room .   

Edited October 12, 2017 by docyabut2

[grimsituation6]

So, I think he planned to escape and steal a plane and fly to the Philippines. The airport was across the street and he knew how to fly. The explosion of the fuel would make the area vacant enough to sneak into the airport. Its possible the freight elevator would have been his escape out of the basement. Its creepy that the paper wasnt a suicide note and had trajactories on it. 

[grimsituation6]

Also gambling is like a drug, so it was def messing with this guy's head, and we don't know how people will react to winning or losing fortunes.