Las Vegas Strip Shooting

[docyabut2]

It hard to believe why this Poddock a talk of a very nice rich person was so military.

It was just reported his home was broken into. Perhaps what I suggested  his guns were stolen, but someone else took his guns to Poddock  hotel room .  

[pallidin]

27 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

It hard to believe why this Poddock a talk of a very nice rich person was so military. It was just reported  his home was broken into. Perhaps what I suggested  his guns were stolen, but someone else  took the guns to Poddock  hotel room .   

The breakin occurred the weekend AFTER the mass shooting was long over.

Edited October 12, 2017 by pallidin

[docyabut2]

3 minutes ago, pallidin said:

The breakin occurred the weekend AFTER the mass shooting was long over.

 FBI did not figure when it was broken in .

[pallidin]

Just now, docyabut2 said:

 FBI did not figure when it was broken in .

But it was after the shooting, and after the first search warrant.

 

[pallidin]

http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/11/las-vegas-shooters-home-burglarized-during-police-investigation/

The Las Vegas shooter’s home in Reno, Nev. was broken into over the weekend while police and the FBI continue to investigate his motives, a report confirmed Tuesday.

Officer Tim Broadway with the Reno Police Department said that the suspect or suspects broke into the home through the front door at some point during the weekend. Reno officers arrived on the scene, and concluded that nothing obvious had been taken or damaged before they “immediately notified the FBI,” Broadway told The Reno Gazette-Journal.

[pallidin]

FBI billboard in Las Vegas asking for help in this tragedy.

http://www.wxyz.com/news/las-vegas-shooting/las-vegas-police-still-no-clear-motive-in-mass-shooting

 

Edited October 12, 2017 by pallidin

[Alaric]

Strictly speculation here... what if there really was an accomplice? They found a car full of explosives, what was that for? What if the accomplice was supposed to drive it as close to the crowd as he could and detonate it while Paddock had them pinned from above... but then chickened out at the last minute?

The official story has changed from the Mandalay Bay security guard stopping the rampage to him getting shot before the rampage started. Perhaps the guard caused Paddock to go off too early, he starts shooting, then kills himself when it’s obvious the other guy wasn’t going to do his thing.

[pallidin]

1 hour ago, Alaric said:

Strictly speculation here... what if there really was an accomplice? They found a car full of explosives, what was that for? What if the accomplice was supposed to drive it as close to the crowd as he could and detonate it while Paddock had them pinned from above... but then chickened out at the last minute?

 

 

Hard to say. but it definitely raises the suspicion that if Paddock managed to escape into his vehicle with a semi-auto rifle, that he would have plenty of ammo and potential explosives for his use.

Thus, it was most likely an "escape cache" versus something to be used by an accomplice.

[pallidin]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/unanswered-questions-loom-over-las-vegas-concert-massacre/2017/10/10/26963648-adf6-11e7-a908-a3470754bbb9_story.html?utm_term=.9855c318a059

 

When the Las Vegas gunman arrived at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino late last month, he assembled “an armory” in his room, according to one of the police officers who went inside.

Authorities said Stephen Paddock, 64, had secreted nearly two dozen guns in his two-room suite on the 32nd floor. He also had stacks of ammunition, cameras, drills and computers as he methodically planned and carried out the deadliest mass shooting in modern American history.

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I realize the computers are now with FBI forensics, but I wonder why he even had computers there. Monitor screens for the WiFi cameras?

[+DieChecker]

On 10/9/2017 at 3:14 PM, and then said:

Do you want to lower death tolls by removing guns from a mostly innocent populace?  Have a read:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll

NO DAMNED BODY is going to shame or coerce my generation of Americans into giving up our God-given right to self-protection without a long, bloody fight.  If you want to vicariously live in fear or bask in a sense of moral superiority - go right ahead.  No one here cares.  I predict that these numbers will rise.  As our culture becomes more divided and amoral the numbers must rise.  I'd advise you to watch the overall pattern of WHERE most of the carnage occurs.  It will be singularly instructive if you apply the least degree of reasoning.   Chicago has been a Democrat stronghold for generations and they kill more than Paddock did on the average Holiday weekend.  When did you last here our media's outrage over THOSE deaths?  

Going off the 273 mass shootings link given earlier, it appears Chicago is responsible for 26 of those 273 shootings... One city equals about 10% of the shootings. So, we then need to look into why that is true, and if solving that will also solve the shootings in other major cities? The big issue is gangs, in my opinion. And we'll never stop gangs or criminals from getting guns as long as we have an open border with Mexico. We have to do something about gangs, not guns... At least to prevent most of the shootings.

Following the Arab influx into Europe, I read that gun sales there are up, up, up.... Violence begets violence, I guess.

Would even tight gun control have prevented Mr Paddock from getting these guns? The Norway killer a couple years ago followed all the rules, and still got the guns he wanted to use to shoot people. A criminal will just buy an illegal gun, smuggled in from Mexico, or across a bit of water.

Edited October 12, 2017 by DieChecker

[+DieChecker]

On 10/10/2017 at 8:34 AM, Dark_Grey said:

This is more of a philosophical question, but can someone be evil without being mentally ill? We know evil exists, so what if Paddock was perfectly lucid throughout his planning, preparation and execution? That would make his behavior abnormal but would that automatically allude to mental illness? I hope the answer is "yes", because the alternative requires us to admit truly evil people are living among us with no indicators.

Depends.... As a Christian, I'd point at Demonic possession, or influences, on Poddeck. What if there never is a motive found? What if he just went Evil all of a sudden and started planning a mass murder? 

I think he obviously was insane, but I also think it obvious that he was Spiritually ruined also. He'd basically lost his Humanity.

Edited October 12, 2017 by DieChecker

[+DieChecker]

On 10/10/2017 at 11:47 AM, Farmer77 said:

Ok I typed the response above before thinking I would look to see if there were photos of his door being screwed shut when I found this :

What I didnt find was anything saying his ROOM door was screwed shut just the stairway door. Are you sure his room was screwed shut?

Yeah... I'm going to have to suggest that this is going into "it could have been bigfoot" territory. The door was watched from the outside by the shot security guard, as were neighboring rooms. And the stairs and elevator also were watched. So, I don't see how a second person could have fired all those shots and then escaped. Not unless he was Ant-man, or the Vision, and could shrink down tiny, or phase through walls. 

[Alaric]

We know he fired incendiary rounds at the jet fuel tanks, but they failed to ignite it (I’ve no doubt they are intentionally hardened against such things). The car is said to have had 50 pounds of Tannerite in it, which explodes when shot with a high powered rifle round. Here’s what 50 lbs in a car looks like...

... and he supposedly had other stuff in there as well (presumably to increase the power/ damage from the Tannerite?).

If you think of it from that perspective, the 12 bump stocks start to make sense if his purpose was suppressive fire from above while someone else maneuvered the car into place for him to shoot one time with a well placed round.

Edited October 12, 2017 by Alaric

[pallidin]

29 minutes ago, Alaric said:

If you think of it from that perspective, the 12 bump stocks start to make sense if his purpose was suppressive fire from above while someone else maneuvered the car into place for him to shoot one time with a well placed round.

 

Here's the thing though, there is absolutely zero evidence that he had an accomplice. Even 200 hours of video of him within Las Vegas prior to the massacre does not show anyone with him.

And he planned to escape, the police said, so he would have just gotten back into his own car where he had extra ammo and the explosives. The security guard encounter messed everything up for him, it seems.

So isn't this a simpler, more rational scenario than pressuming an accomplice for which there is ZERO EVIDENCE?

[pallidin]

If one is going to speculate with absolutely no evidence to support it, why not also say that he had a third accomplice with a suicide vest in the crowd that failed to go off?

So no, he was an extremely disturbed, well-armed, psychopathic lone perpetrator of this horrendous mass murder.

[pallidin]

Stephen Paddock's Autopsy Released

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/stephen-paddock-autopsy-results-released-police-las-vegas-shooting-gunman-latest-a7996916.html

 

The gunman who killed dozens of people when he opened fire on the crowd of a Las Vegas country music festival had no abnormalities on the brain, an autopsy has revealed. 

County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said investigators were still awaiting results of a toxicology report on Stephen Paddock's body, which would show whether he was under the influence of drugs or alcohol when he began spraying revellers with bullets. 

[Dark_Grey]

16 hours ago, pallidin said:

http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/11/las-vegas-shooters-home-burglarized-during-police-investigation/

The Las Vegas shooter’s home in Reno, Nev. was broken into over the weekend while police and the FBI continue to investigate his motives, a report confirmed Tuesday.

Officer Tim Broadway with the Reno Police Department said that the suspect or suspects broke into the home through the front door at some point during the weekend. Reno officers arrived on the scene,

So the crime scene of the biggest mass shooting in American history was "broken into" during an FBI investigation.

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[they] concluded that nothing obvious had been taken or damaged before they “immediately notified the FBI,”

Why does this stink to high heaven?

[pallidin]

1 minute ago, Dark_Grey said:

So the crime scene of the biggest mass shooting in American history was "broken into" during an FBI investigation.

Why does this stink to high heaven?

Yeah, no doubt. One would have thought his home would have been under surveillance until the investigation was complete.

[pallidin]

From the comment section of the Autopsy Released article

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/stephen-paddock-autopsy-results-released-police-las-vegas-shooting-gunman-latest-a7996916.html

 

46 minutes ago

Izzy

Despite the best hopes of organic psychiatry we are still some way from being able to pinpoint physical indicators of most mental illnesses in brain tissue. 

This is especially the case when much of that tissue is lying on the carpet.

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42 minutes ago

snanglebreak

Precisely.

[Dark_Grey]

2 minutes ago, pallidin said:

Yeah, no doubt. One would have thought his home would have been under surveillance until the investigation was complete.

The fact that the Cops didn't notice anything missing says the burglar might have looking for something less obvious than jewelry or electronics. By that I mean, there is a good chance the burglar(s) knew Paddock and knew what they needed to get from his house.

Option 2 is far more sinister and involves a big cover up. I won't touch that one without more solid evidence.

[pallidin]

2 minutes ago, Dark_Grey said:

The fact that the Cops didn't notice anything missing says the burglar might have looking for something less obvious than jewelry or electronics. By that I mean, there is a good chance the burglar(s) knew Paddock and knew what they needed to get from his house.

Option 2 is far more sinister and involves a big cover up. I won't touch that one without more solid evidence.

I think its possible they wanted some "souvenirs" of the mass murderer, but, unbeknownst to them, the police had already taken-out all of Paddocks guns and personal belongings for forensic analysis.

[Dark_Grey]

1 minute ago, pallidin said:

I think its possible they wanted some "souvenirs" of the mass murderer, but, unbeknownst to them, the police had already taken-out all of Paddocks guns and personal belongings for forensic analysis.

Yeah, maybe. I considered the "souvenir" angle at first but...I guess we'll see. Tomorrow is another day, hopefully bringing us more answers than questions.

[pallidin]

Yeah, its amazing what people can sell on ebay (for example) from distinctive authentic personal belongings of a hideous mass murderer.

Or use it in their own "cult worship"  

Edited October 12, 2017 by pallidin

[griss47]

Since so many are speculating the car may have been for use by a second suspect, here's an alternative hypothesis to that.  Maybe Paddock intended to die that day, but not by shooting himself. 

Here's where I'm going with this.  Maybe Paddock planned to flee the hotel to his car.  He would then either attempt to drive away from the scene firing shots (leading to a police chase) or engage in a gunfight in the parking garage or outside the hotel with the police.  In either case, having police gunfire set off the explosives in his car would have killed him and likely caused more casualties.

[Alaric]

You can put it in all caps, doesn’t necessarily make it true... there’s not exactly zero evidence that he was with someone else before the shooting.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10/report-room-service-receipts-show-hotel-delivered-food-stephen-paddocks-suite-2-people/

Also some indications that he was there earlier than officially stated.