Las Vegas Strip Shooting

[F3SS]

I thought the same exact thing Griss.

[griss47]

2 minutes ago, F3SS said:

I thought the same exact thing Griss.

F3SS, if you posted that before, I apologize as I must have missed it, despite trying to keep up to date on this thread.

[pallidin]

48 minutes ago, Alaric said:

You can put it in all caps, doesn’t necessarily make it true... there’s not exactly zero evidence that he was with someone else before the shooting.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10/report-room-service-receipts-show-hotel-delivered-food-stephen-paddocks-suite-2-people/

Also some indications that he was there earlier than officially stated.

I'm referring to an actual criminal accomplice, not a prostitute.

[F3SS]

1 hour ago, griss47 said:

F3SS, if you posted that before, I apologize as I must have missed it, despite trying to keep up to date on this thread.

No you’re good man. I hadn’t mentioned it but I’ve thought that since the day they said he had tannerite in his trunk. This guy just wanted to go out big taking as many with him as he could. It’s still hard to imagine someone who’s lived the life he’s lived going out like there was nothing to lose but until proven otherwise it just is what it is.

[Farmer77]

Again , not sure exactly what to make of it but something to keep an eye on 

 

Las Vegas Security Guard Shot by Vegas Killer is Not Registered as a Security Guard in the State of Nevada? 

 

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It’s being reported that the security guard made famous in the Las Vegas shooter story is not even registered as a guard with the State of Nevada.  Is he even a guard?  Why was he there?

 

 

[pallidin]

2 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

Again , not sure exactly what to make of it but something to keep an eye on 

 

Las Vegas Security Guard Shot by Vegas Killer is Not Registered as a Security Guard in the State of Nevada? 

 

 

 

 

I could be wrong, but hotel security is not the same thing as a gun carrying security guard.

But if they are the same, yes, that should be looked into from a regulatory aspect that the Mandalay Bay is responsible to ensure required licences of its employee's.

Edited October 13, 2017 by pallidin

[docyabut2]

22 hours ago, Alaric said:

Strictly speculation here... what if there really was an accomplice? They found a car full of explosives, what was that for? What if the accomplice was supposed to drive it as close to the crowd as he could and detonate it while Paddock had them pinned from above... but then chickened out at the last minute?

The official story has changed from the Mandalay Bay security guard stopping the rampage to him getting shot before the rampage started. Perhaps the guard caused Paddock to go off too early, he starts shooting, then kills himself when it’s obvious the other guy wasn’t going to do his thing.

Could it be true  if Paddock`s plan was to escape.   He would have did shooting after shooting in the room.  He would have started out of the room shooting at everybody else and the guards instead of killing himself . 

[+DieChecker]

12 hours ago, pallidin said:

I think its possible they wanted some "souvenirs" of the mass murderer, but, unbeknownst to them, the police had already taken-out all of Paddocks guns and personal belongings for forensic analysis.

That was my thought on the break in also. Kids looking for souvenirs. 

[+DieChecker]

13 hours ago, Alaric said:

We know he fired incendiary rounds at the jet fuel tanks, but they failed to ignite it (I’ve no doubt they are intentionally hardened against such things). The car is said to have had 50 pounds of Tannerite in it, which explodes when shot with a high powered rifle round. Here’s what 50 lbs in a car looks like...

... and he supposedly had other stuff in there as well (presumably to increase the power/ damage from the Tannerite?).

If you think of it from that perspective, the 12 bump stocks start to make sense if his purpose was suppressive fire from above while someone else maneuvered the car into place for him to shoot one time with a well placed round.

I was a Combat Engineer in my Army days, and completed the Sapper Leader Training Course, which showed us many different ways to improvise explosives, including fertilizer bombs. In my experience, a tracer round isn't going to set off a fertilizer bomb, because it is going to just impact and shatter, and fizzle out almost immediately. The tracer rounds we used in the Army were only good for a second or two, and only very occasionally would there be a grass fire, even in late summer. What is needed is an actual explosion that creates heat and force, and a tracer round just is too little of both to usually do the trick.

Might it have worked? Yes, perhaps. But, would it be likely to work? Not in my opinion. Maybe if he fired 100 tracer rounds into the car, it might have detonated, or at least caught on fire.

I believe from what I've read that the media is calling them incendiary rounds, when what they really are is tracer rounds. An actual incendiary round has an explosive in it, where a tracer round usually has just enough phosphorous, or whatever, to light up where it went.

 

[Alaric]

“He had to have some help at some point,”...“Maybe he’s a super-guy. … maybe he’s super-yahoo, was working out all this on his own, but it would be hard for me to believe that.”

Sheriff Lombardo

[Alaric]

9 hours ago, DieChecker said:

I was a Combat Engineer in my Army days, and completed the Sapper Leader Training Course, which showed us many different ways to improvise explosives, including fertilizer bombs. In my experience, a tracer round isn't going to set off a fertilizer bomb, because it is going to just impact and shatter, and fizzle out almost immediately. The tracer rounds we used in the Army were only good for a second or two, and only very occasionally would there be a grass fire, even in late summer. What is needed is an actual explosion that creates heat and force, and a tracer round just is too little of both to usually do the trick.

Might it have worked? Yes, perhaps. But, would it be likely to work? Not in my opinion. Maybe if he fired 100 tracer rounds into the car, it might have detonated, or at least caught on fire.

I believe from what I've read that the media is calling them incendiary rounds, when what they really are is tracer rounds. An actual incendiary round has an explosive in it, where a tracer round usually has just enough phosphorous, or whatever, to light up where it went.

 

Ahh, if he fired “tracer” rounds as opposed to actual incendiary rounds (those wascally “journalists “) that’s a bit different. Those aren’t much use in real life anyway because they fly differently than the other bullets due to the phosphor coating and give an inaccurate indication of where the bullets are hitting.

Tannerite is a binary explosive which goes off readily when struck by a projectile with enough energy... a .223 round going at least 2000 FPS will do the trick pretty reliably. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tannerite

I’m curious as to if the 1600 rounds of ammunition they found in the car was arranged in such a way as to create 1600 projectiles upon detonation of the Tannerite.

 

[Farmer77]

Just more things to make you scratch your head 

 

Las Vegas security guard Jesus Campos disappears moments before TV interviews 

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Where in the world is Jesus Campos?

The Mandalay Bay security guard shot by Stephen Paddock in the moments leading up to the worst mass shooting in modern U.S. history was set to break his silence Thursday night with five television interviews, including one on Fox News, Campos' union president said.

Except when the cameras were about to roll, and media gathered in the building to talk to him, Campos reportedly bolted, and, as of early Friday morning, it wasn't immediately clear where he was.

 

[Alaric]

10 hours ago, DieChecker said:

I was a Combat Engineer in my Army days, and completed the Sapper Leader Training Course, which showed us many different ways to improvise explosives, including fertilizer bombs. In my experience, a tracer round isn't going to set off a fertilizer bomb, because it is going to just impact and shatter, and fizzle out almost immediately.

What if he was actually successful at penetrating the jet fuel tanks in several places... and then waited for evaporation to do its work, and after fumes had built up for a bit, fired a few dozen of his tracers into the ground in the general vicinity... what then?

After looking into Tannerite, would you say 50 lbs of it has enough ooomph to set off a fertilizer bomb? Together with the 1600 rounds of ammo in a car, what you got is a rolling claymore which requires no remote electronic detonatorion signal.

[pallidin]

Las Vegas security guard Jesus Campos disappears moments before TV interviews

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/13/las-vegas-security-guard-jesus-campos-disappears-moments-before-tv-interviews.html

 

Where in the world is Jesus Campos?

The Mandalay Bay security guard shot by Stephen Paddock in the moments leading up to the worst mass shooting in modern U.S. history was set to break his silence Thursday night with five television interviews, including one on Fox News, Campos' union president said.

Except when the cameras were about to roll, and media gathered in the building to talk to him, Campos reportedly bolted, and, as of early Friday morning, it wasn't immediately clear where he was.

[The Narcisse]

46 minutes ago, pallidin said:

Las Vegas security guard Jesus Campos disappears moments before TV interviews

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/13/las-vegas-security-guard-jesus-campos-disappears-moments-before-tv-interviews.html

 

Where in the world is Jesus Campos?

The Mandalay Bay security guard shot by Stephen Paddock in the moments leading up to the worst mass shooting in modern U.S. history was set to break his silence Thursday night with five television interviews, including one on Fox News, Campos' union president said.

Except when the cameras were about to roll, and media gathered in the building to talk to him, Campos reportedly bolted, and, as of early Friday morning, it wasn't immediately clear where he was.

Maybe he's shy?

[pallidin]

12 minutes ago, The Narcisse said:

Maybe he's shy?

Maybe his truth versus the hotels "truth" are two different things, and he doesn't want to be forced to lie on camera to support the hotel from a lawsuit of the hotel not acting quick enough.

Just pure guessing... no evidence at all.

[kartikg]

3 minutes ago, pallidin said:

Maybe his truth versus the hotels "truth" are two different things, and he doesn't want to be forced to lie on camera to support the hotel from a lawsuit of the hotel not acting quick enough.

Just pure guessing... no evidence at all.

It wouldn't be surprising if the hotel would later ditch him and hold him solely responsible for something which was not is fault. 

[pallidin]

1 minute ago, kartikg said:

It wouldn't be surprising if the hotel would later ditch him and hold him solely responsible for something which was not is fault. 

Yeah, good call. I could see that too, now that you mention it.

[The Narcisse]

47 minutes ago, pallidin said:

Maybe his truth versus the hotels "truth" are two different things, and he doesn't want to be forced to lie on camera to support the hotel from a lawsuit of the hotel not acting quick enough.

Just pure guessing... no evidence at all.

Not everyone is comfortable in front of a camera and lots of people. Maybe he doesn't want the attention and doesn't want to start receiving death threats from people who will ultimately end up supporting this guy.

[pallidin]

Just now, The Narcisse said:

Not everyone is comfortable in front of a camera and lots of people. Maybe he doesn't want the attention and doesn't want to start receiving death threats from people who will ultimately end up supporting this guy.

Good point as well.

[Farmer77]

1 minute ago, The Narcisse said:

Not everyone is comfortable in front of a camera and lots of people. Maybe he doesn't want the attention and doesn't want to start receiving death threats from people who will ultimately end up supporting this guy.

Then why accept the invitation to interview?  

It feels more to me like someone 'encouraged' him to not speak 

[pallidin]

7 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Then why accept the invitation to interview?  

It feels more to me like someone 'encouraged' him to not speak 

Yeah, the Mandalay Bay, else they have one hell of a lawsuit on their hands for not acting quickly enough.

Particularly in delaying notification to the police.

With 6-minutes they are negligent.

With 40-sec they could "slide"

Edited October 13, 2017 by pallidin

[Alaric]

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/10/11/forensic-acoustic-proof-of-second-shooter-in-the-las-vegas-massacre/

[Colt Storm]

44 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

 

It feels more to me like someone 'encouraged' him to not speak 

And I'd guess it was Mandalay Bay, casinos protect casinos and won't risk a lawsuit. They would rather pay him off than face the possibility of a lawsuit.

[Likely Guy]

10 minutes ago, Alaric said:

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/10/11/forensic-acoustic-proof-of-second-shooter-in-the-las-vegas-massacre/

Now that is some fake news!