Why Atmospheres of Stars Lack Metals?

[bmk1245]

On 11/22/2017 at 9:14 AM, Weitter Duckss said:

I'm not dealing with claims and hypotheses. I just use all (me) available data in one place. Hypotheses and bad claims are my food. (S Cassiopeiae 3,5-10 M Sun,  Radius 930   R Sun, Temperature 1.800 K) (Gliese 777, 0,09 M Sun, 5.417°K) (ROXs 42Bb, 9 Mass of Jupiter, 2650 ± 100°K, distance 100 AU)

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Again, how Jupiter rotation velocity fits your theory?

On 11/22/2017 at 9:14 AM, Weitter Duckss said:

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Rotation is all present in the universe. Rotation begins with proton due to imbalance + and - charge and particle relief (see atom). Cyclone is over 99, ..% only rotation product. It is seldom a source of rotation.

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What the **** you are talking about?  Spin of electron, proton, etc, has nothing to do with rotation.

On 11/22/2017 at 9:14 AM, Weitter Duckss said:

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If there is no other force, rotation would exist because of the constant circle of the body around the star. Without the orbit of the rotacoy would result from the rotation of the galaxy,[...]

The only force keeping stars/galaxies rotating is conservation of angular momentum. Have you heard about it? I'd say, no. You are clueless about the issue as a doorbell hanging on the rotten jamb.

On 11/22/2017 at 9:14 AM, Weitter Duckss said:

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Cyclones (friction, layers of matter within the body), in 96.15% of the total amount of stars in Milky Way, do not play a key role (cyclones are a star rotation product, mostly).  …

from earlier  http://phys.org/news/2015-10-scientists-rocky-planets-pebbles.html

Do you have any clue what that article is about?! Huh?!

Seriously, if you got your head injured during balkan kerfuffle, maybe you should stay away from science. Thats not your horsy. Period.

[Weitter Duckss]

12 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

Again, how Jupiter rotation velocity fits your theory?

What the **** you are talking about?  Spin of electron, proton, etc, has nothing to do with rotation.

The only force keeping stars/galaxies rotating is conservation of angular momentum. Have you heard about it? I'd say, no. You are clueless about the issue as a doorbell hanging on the rotten jamb.

Do you have any clue what that article is about?! Huh?!

Seriously, if you got your head injured during balkan kerfuffle, maybe you should stay away from science. Thats not your horsy. Period.

There are people who work and create. There are also those others who think they are (copying other people's knowledge) the smartest and now spitting on everything they can.

-Jupiter is a body of small masses (small pressure forces), small binary effects (a small radius) whose rotation speed created a molten core. We discussed this. With Jupiter, all right, check with yourself.

-Mass of body is sum of particles and sum of all rotations of the whole. Who speaks about one particle?

- What is the "conservation of angular momentum"? Is this God a work?

I was close to opening a new topic, but your thinking ("horseback"), is it, postponed. (How are the spiral and other types of galaxies formed? Parody)

[bmk1245]

2 hours ago, Weitter Duckss said:

There are people who work and create. There are also those others who think they are (copying other people's knowledge) the smartest and now spitting on everything they can.[...]

The only work you've done, was reposting data from wikipedia. Not to mention that your claim "radiation does not decrease with the square of the distance" (from here) invalidates data from wikipedia you are using for your "theory" (see mass - luminosity relation).

2 hours ago, Weitter Duckss said:

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-Jupiter is a body of small masses (small pressure forces), small binary effects (a small radius) whose rotation speed created a molten core. We discussed this. With Jupiter, all right, check with yourself.

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Blah, blah, blah. Your own words "The faster rotation creates more matter friction inside the object, which results in a higher temperature and stronger magnetic field" (from here). Jupiter rotates waaay faster than the Sun. Why Jupiter is much colder than the Sun, huh?

2 hours ago, Weitter Duckss said:

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-Mass of body is sum of particles and sum of all rotations of the whole. Who speaks about one particle?

 

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You are (from here): "Rotation begins with proton due to imbalance"

2 hours ago, Weitter Duckss said:

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- What is the "conservation of angular momentum"? Is this God a work?

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Never heard of that? Here yea go: conservation of angular momentum.

2 hours ago, Weitter Duckss said:

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I was close to opening a new topic, but your thinking ("horseback"), is it, postponed. (How are the spiral and other types of galaxies formed? Parody)

Please, don't... Don't embarrass yourself. Single amoeba knows more about star evolution than you.

[Weitter Duckss]

9 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

The only work you've done, was reposting data from wikipedia. Not to mention that your claim "radiation does not decrease with the square of the distance" (from here) invalidates data from wikipedia you are using for your "theory" (see mass - luminosity relation).

Blah, blah, blah. Your own words "The faster rotation creates more matter friction inside the object, which results in a higher temperature and stronger magnetic field" (from here). Jupiter rotates waaay faster than the Sun. Why Jupiter is much colder than the Sun, huh?

You are (from here): "Rotation begins with proton due to imbalance"

Never heard of that? Here yea go: conservation of angular momentum.

Please, don't... Don't embarrass yourself. Single amoeba knows more about star evolution than you.

“The value a = 3.5 is commonly used for main-sequence stars. This equation and the usual value of a = 3.5 only applies to main-sequence stars with masses 2M_⊙ < M < 20M_⊙ and does not apply to red giants or white dwarfs. As a star approaches the Eddington Luminosity then a = 1.” From your Link

 

Dementi

HD 149382	0,29-0,53	35,500 ± 500
PG0112 + 104	0,5	30.000
Star	Mass Sun 1	Temperature K
HD 149382	0,29-0,53	35.500±500
PG0112+104	0,5	30.000
40 Eridani B	0,5	16.500
Lacaillea 9352	0,503	3.626
L 97-12	0,59	5.700 ±90
Zeta Cygni B	0,6	12.000
Procion B	0,6	7.740
Van Maanen 2	0,68	6.220
HD 4628	0,7	5.829
G29-38	0,7	11.820
Sun	1	5.772
Sirius B	0,98	25.200
Gamma Piscium	1,03	4.885
Arcturus	1,08	4.286
VX Sagittarii	12	2.400 – 3.300
Antares	12,4	3.400
E Canis Majoris	12,6	22.900
μ Columbae	16	33.000
WR 2	16	141.000
VY Canis Majoris	17	3.490
Α Crucis α1	17,8	24.000
WR 102	19	210.000
WR 134	19	63.100
Deneb	19	8.525
η Canis Majores	19,19	15.000
Mu Cephei	19,2	3.750
HD 21389	19,3	9.730
WR 46	25	112.000
S Monocerotis	29,1	38.500
MU Normea	33,3	28.500
QU Normea	43	17.000
NML Cygni	50	3.834

 Evidence, not Wikipedia as Wikipedia.

 

-”-Jupiter is a body of small masses (small pressure forces), small binary effects (a small radius) whose rotation speed created a molten core.”

From your link:

“The mass which creates pressure and the effects of the gravitational forces of Sun are responsible for the melted core. That is the reason why Venus is more warm than Earth and has more active volcanoes, although it is smaller than Earth 6. ..  If there are two stars with the same mass and different speeds of rotation, the star that rotates faster is warmer. .. It is enough to observe the mass of an object, its relation to other objects, the rotation of an object as well as the rotation of a central object, the composition of an object and the orbital distance to make a valid estimate for every object, without the need for nuclear fusions, fissions and matter combustion.

+ Reassessment-of-the-old-but-still-employed-theories-of-Universe ..”

 

-( conservation of angular momentum.) A wonderful article, stars and skaters. Stars sling, sing, talk, ... Completely identical and contemporary.

 

-If you are "single amoeba" and you "knows more about star evolution than you." so far, it you do not show it. Could you surprise me with a link to your articles?

 

[bmk1245]

6 minutes ago, Weitter Duckss said:

“The value a = 3.5 is commonly used for main-sequence stars. This equation and the usual value of a = 3.5 only applies to main-sequence stars with masses 2M_⊙ < M < 20M_⊙ and does not apply to red giants or white dwarfs. As a star approaches the Eddington Luminosity then a = 1.” From your Link

 

Dementi

HD 149382	0,29-0,53	35,500 ± 500
PG0112 + 104	0,5	30.000
Star	Mass Sun 1	Temperature K
HD 149382	0,29-0,53	35.500±500
PG0112+104	0,5	30.000
40 Eridani B	0,5	16.500
Lacaillea 9352	0,503	3.626
L 97-12	0,59	5.700 ±90
Zeta Cygni B	0,6	12.000
Procion B	0,6	7.740
Van Maanen 2	0,68	6.220
HD 4628	0,7	5.829
G29-38	0,7	11.820
Sun	1	5.772
Sirius B	0,98	25.200
Gamma Piscium	1,03	4.885
Arcturus	1,08	4.286
VX Sagittarii	12	2.400 – 3.300
Antares	12,4	3.400
E Canis Majoris	12,6	22.900
μ Columbae	16	33.000
WR 2	16	141.000
VY Canis Majoris	17	3.490
Α Crucis α1	17,8	24.000
WR 102	19	210.000
WR 134	19	63.100
Deneb	19	8.525
η Canis Majores	19,19	15.000
Mu Cephei	19,2	3.750
HD 21389	19,3	9.730
WR 46	25	112.000
S Monocerotis	29,1	38.500
MU Normea	33,3	28.500
QU Normea	43	17.000
NML Cygni	50	3.834

 Evidence, not Wikipedia as Wikipedia.

 

-”-Jupiter is a body of small masses (small pressure forces), small binary effects (a small radius) whose rotation speed created a molten core.”

From your link:

“The mass which creates pressure and the effects of the gravitational forces of Sun are responsible for the melted core. That is the reason why Venus is more warm than Earth and has more active volcanoes, although it is smaller than Earth 6. ..  If there are two stars with the same mass and different speeds of rotation, the star that rotates faster is warmer. .. It is enough to observe the mass of an object, its relation to other objects, the rotation of an object as well as the rotation of a central object, the composition of an object and the orbital distance to make a valid estimate for every object, without the need for nuclear fusions, fissions and matter combustion.

+ Reassessment-of-the-old-but-still-employed-theories-of-Universe ..”

 

-( conservation of angular momentum.) A wonderful article, stars and skaters. Stars sling, sing, talk, ... Completely identical and contemporary.

 

-If you are "single amoeba" and you "knows more about star evolution than you." so far, it you do not show it. Could you surprise me with a link to your articles?

 

For f's sake, why Jupiter is significantly colder than the Sun, while rotating much faster than the Sun?

[Weitter Duckss]

On 03. 12. 2017. at 9:12 PM, bmk1245 said:

For f's sake, why Jupiter is significantly colder than the Sun, while rotating much faster than the Sun?

It's simple. Jupiter is not a star yet (maybe it can be classified as a dwarf braon).

The body must meet several conditions: sufficient mass, rotation speed and binary effects.

Jupiter does not have enough mass and has no significant binary effects. Regardless of the current speed of rotation, he has not yet passed the star qualification.

If Jupiter had the same mass and similar binary effects as the Sun, the jupiter would have a temperature above 30,000 ° K.

Conversely, slow rotation gives "S Cassiopeiae 3.5-10 M Sun, Radius 930 R Sun, Temperature 1.800 K".

Sufficient pressure forces create a hot body. If the body has a faster rotation, the temperature rises, the same contributions and binary effects. Or faster rotation and more significant binary effects contribute to the body becoming a star at a smaller mass. See the planet table and braon  dwarf.

Interesting system

Wolf 359

0,09

2.800 ± 100

and its companion b, mass 3-10 MJ, 1.600 ° K, distance from the parent star ~40,6 AU.

This is all written in articles and my comments.

Edited December 4, 2017 by Weitter Duckss

[toast]

15 minutes ago, Weitter Duckss said:

Jupiter is not a star yet

And will never be.

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(maybe it can be classified as a dwarf braon).

If you meant brown dwarf: no, it cant.

But your comment made it clear that you are a copy&paste hero without any understanding of the matter.

Edited December 4, 2017 by toast

[Weitter Duckss]

16 hours ago, toast said:

And will never be.

If you meant brown dwarf: no, it cant.

But your comment made it clear that you are a copy&paste hero without any understanding of the matter.

„Despite this, Jupiter still radiates more heat than it receives from the Sun; the amount of heat produced inside it is similar to the total solar radiation it receives .. The process of further shrinkage with increasing mass would continue until appreciable stellar ignition was achieved, as in high-mass brown dwarfs…” Wikipedia

 My texts slowly enter the basics of physics, whether you want it or not.

Formerly it was heresy, today only stubborn individuals walk the footsteps of the ancient Greeks. Through time, all official texts will be copies of my texts.

If you want to keep up to date with the latest knowledge, read my articles carefully. Without them, in the Universe, is official laughs and stories without cover.

[Essan]

54 minutes ago, Weitter Duckss said:

Formerly it was heresy, today only stubborn individuals walk the footsteps of the ancient Greeks. Through time, all official texts will be copies of my texts.

If you want to keep up to date with the latest knowledge, read my articles carefully. Without them, in the Universe, is official laughs and stories without cover.

Such a humble man .......

[Waspie_Dwarf]

30 minutes ago, Essan said:

Such a humble man .......

A legend in his own mind.

The wisdom of the Greeks was superceded slowly by geniuses, not by random individuals making crap up.

There are those that think Weitter Duckss is a genius, and then there those that aren't Weitter Duckss. 

[toast]

2 hours ago, Weitter Duckss said:

My texts slowly enter the basics of physics, whether you want it or not.

I know very well how slowly the basics of physics enter your mind, obviously they dont enter it at all. But anyway, even the quoted WiKi article, which you obviously didnt understood, will not change the fact that Jupiter isnt, has ever been or will ever be a star. And no, I will not give you the explanation what a star is.

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Formerly it was heresy, today only stubborn individuals walk the footsteps of the ancient Greeks. Through time, all official texts will be copies of my texts.

Of course, your texts will be coppied but for other reasons than you think.

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If you want to keep up to date with the latest knowledge, read my articles carefully.

 

 

[Weitter Duckss]

6 hours ago, Essan said:

Such a humble man ....... 

I'm always modest. Not modestly, is that I will be someone and some or alpha and omega in this area.

Still, I see what direction they have taken official newspapers, theft, plundering, alienation and pretend silly.

Eh, that laws must respect all and apply to all equally. It would not have been that Galileo invented a telescope, that Hubbel designed the expansion of the universe, etc.

 

(Interesting "new savvy", post-published articles:
https://www.academia.edu/…/Why_Mars_has_no_atmosphere_like_… and
https://www.academia.edu/…/Using_tales_in_science_to_acquir…

More interesting is where the article was published.

"They are dark streaks that extend gradually downhill in warm seasons, then fade away in winter and reappear the next year."

On Earth is H2O, on Mars is CO2. In the winter, freezes and covers the stripes, in the summer it sublimates.
"Recurring martian streaks: flowing sand, not water?

Dark features on Mars previously considered evidence for subsurface flowing of water are interpreted by new research as granular flows, where grains of sand and dust slip downhill to make dark streaks, rather than the ground being darkened by seeping…

PHYS.ORG")

 

 

[+Noteverythingisaconspiracy]

10 hours ago, Weitter Duckss said:

My texts slowly enter the basics of physics, whether you want it or not.

Formerly it was heresy, today only stubborn individuals walk the footsteps of the ancient Greeks. Through time, all official texts will be copies of my texts.

Did Weitter Duckss just make the funniest post of 2017 ? I think its a jolly good candidate.

[Weitter Duckss]

8 hours ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

Did Weitter Duckss just make the funniest post of 2017 ? I think its a jolly good candidate.

Your have many, all together offer zero counter evidence. I feel like I'm on the green market among crones.

Ladies and gentlemen, you have at your disposal all the knowledge of the world. Wikipedia, Wikiwand, Britannica, Exoplanet, Archive, professional magazines etc. Do you know (probably) read in the surf.
People says: when there is no evidence and arguments, then moving: noise, insults ....
Without evidence, it is a competition of empty heads.

[bmk1245]

On 12/4/2017 at 10:19 PM, Weitter Duckss said:

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The body must meet several conditions: sufficient mass, rotation speed and binary effects.

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OK, how much energy Sun generates due to:

1) mass;

2) rotation speed;

3) binary effects (whatever you mean by that)?

[Weitter Duckss]

6 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

OK, how much energy Sun generates due to:

1) mass;

2) rotation speed;

3) binary effects (whatever you mean by that)?

I work relationships.

The body (can that it shines) glows at the mass

Star	Mass M Sun	Temperature K
2M1207	~0,025	2550 ± 150
Teide 1	0,052	2600 ± 150
VHS 1256-1257	0,07-0,015	2.620 ± 140
Van Biesbroeck's star	0,075>	2.600
DENIS 1048-1039	0,075>	2.200
Teegarden's Star	0,08	2.637
DX Cancri	0,09	2.840
TVLM 513-46546	0,09	2.500
Wolf 359	0,09	2,800 ± 100

Or

Planet, brown dwarf	Mass of Jupiter	Temperature K	Distance AU
GQ Lupi b	1-36	2650 ± 100	100
ROXs 42Bb	9	1,950-2,000	157
HD 106906 b	11	1.800	~650
DH Tauri b	12	2.750	330
CT Chamaeleontis b	10,5-17	2.500	440
HD 44627	13-14	1.600-2.400	275
1RXS 1609 b	14	1.800	330
UScoCTIO 108 b	14	2.600	670
Oph 11 B	21	2.478	243
HIP 78530 b	24	2.700	740

Sun has (of course) a mass of 1.00.

Binary effects (Pluto / Sharon, two stars in close proximity, parent body and body in orbit ...) and rotation further determine body temperature.

Relationships means: taking a large number of individuals and determining the correctness of determining the behavior of the sampled body.

In one word: the universe statistics.

G	5,200–6,000 K	yellow	yellowish white	0.8–1.04 M☉	0.96–1.15 R☉	0.6–1.5 L☉	Weak	7.6%
K	3,700–5,200 K	light orange	pale yellow orange	0.45–0.8 M☉	0.7–0.96 R☉	0.08–0.6 L☉	Very weak	12.1%
M	2,400–3,700 K	orange red	light orange red	0.08–0.45 M☉	≤ 0.7 R☉	≤ 0.08 L☉	Very weak	76.45%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_classification#Harvard_spectral_classification

Or

“from the total amount of stars in Milky Way, 96,15% are the stars of the classes M, K and G with low temperatures, up to ~ 6.000 K.”

If focus, the universe, "no" are important individual cases and numbers associated with that body. It swallowed a large number.

 

[toast]

36 minutes ago, Weitter Duckss said:

If focus, the universe, "no" are important individual cases and numbers associated with that body. It swallowed a large number.

What?

[Waspie_Dwarf]

On 12/5/2017 at 7:55 PM, Weitter Duckss said:

 It would not have been that Galileo invented a telescope,

You can't even get this correct. Galileo DID NOT invent the telescope, he was, however, one of the first to record astronomical observations using a telescope.

[Derek Willis]

1 hour ago, Waspie_Dwarf said:

You can't even get this correct. Galileo DID NOT invent the telescope, he was, however, one of the first to record astronomical observations using a telescope.

Yes, but when all official texts become copies of Weitter's texts Galileo will be credited as the inventor of the telescope. 

[Waspie_Dwarf]

2 minutes ago, Derek Willis said:

Yes, but when all official texts become copies of Weitter's texts Galileo will be credited as the inventor of the telescope. 

That will be the day that science dies and bovine faeces become the new measure of genius.

[+Noteverythingisaconspiracy]

25 minutes ago, Waspie_Dwarf said:

That will be the day that science dies and bovine faeces become the new measure of genius.

Unfortunately I see more and more examples that we are moving in that direction. 

[Derek Willis]

5 hours ago, Waspie_Dwarf said:

That will be the day that science dies and bovine faeces become the new measure of genius.

It is an irony Weitter chose to mention Galileo, a man to whom truth an integrity mattered. So much so he would only recant his "blasphemy" when shown the instruments of torture, and who spent the remainder of his life under house arrest. And who indeed - had Weitter bothered to look it up - described his excitement when he learned about a "viewing tube" made by an optician in Flanders.

[Weitter Duckss]

5 hours ago, Derek Willis said:

It is an irony Weitter chose to mention Galileo, a man to whom truth an integrity mattered. So much so he would only recant his "blasphemy" when shown the instruments of torture, and who spent the remainder of his life under house arrest. And who indeed - had Weitter bothered to look it up - described his excitement when he learned about a "viewing tube" made by an optician in Flanders.

Wonderfully.  ?Today laws allow theft and legalize everything that was acquired by theft. Should all be excited when they gain the benefit of stolen things? Who normal, glorify thieves? Maybe Hubbell (Theory of Expansion of the Universe)?

[bmk1245]

16 hours ago, Weitter Duckss said:

I work relationships.

The body (can that it shines) glows at the mass

Star	Mass M Sun	Temperature K
2M1207	~0,025	2550 ± 150
Teide 1	0,052	2600 ± 150
VHS 1256-1257	0,07-0,015	2.620 ± 140
Van Biesbroeck's star	0,075>	2.600
DENIS 1048-1039	0,075>	2.200
Teegarden's Star	0,08	2.637
DX Cancri	0,09	2.840
TVLM 513-46546	0,09	2.500
Wolf 359	0,09	2,800 ± 100

Or

Planet, brown dwarf	Mass of Jupiter	Temperature K	Distance AU
GQ Lupi b	1-36	2650 ± 100	100
ROXs 42Bb	9	1,950-2,000	157
HD 106906 b	11	1.800	~650
DH Tauri b	12	2.750	330
CT Chamaeleontis b	10,5-17	2.500	440
HD 44627	13-14	1.600-2.400	275
1RXS 1609 b	14	1.800	330
UScoCTIO 108 b	14	2.600	670
Oph 11 B	21	2.478	243
HIP 78530 b	24	2.700	740

Sun has (of course) a mass of 1.00.

Binary effects (Pluto / Sharon, two stars in close proximity, parent body and body in orbit ...) and rotation further determine body temperature.

Relationships means: taking a large number of individuals and determining the correctness of determining the behavior of the sampled body.

In one word: the universe statistics.

G	5,200–6,000 K	yellow	yellowish white	0.8–1.04 M☉	0.96–1.15 R☉	0.6–1.5 L☉	Weak	7.6%
K	3,700–5,200 K	light orange	pale yellow orange	0.45–0.8 M☉	0.7–0.96 R☉	0.08–0.6 L☉	Very weak	12.1%
M	2,400–3,700 K	orange red	light orange red	0.08–0.45 M☉	≤ 0.7 R☉	≤ 0.08 L☉	Very weak	76.45%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_classification#Harvard_spectral_classification

Or

“from the total amount of stars in Milky Way, 96,15% are the stars of the classes M, K and G with low temperatures, up to ~ 6.000 K.”

If focus, the universe, "no" are important individual cases and numbers associated with that body. It swallowed a large number.

 

OK, how much energy Pluto and Charon radiates due to:

1) mass;

2) rotation speed;

3) binary effects?

[bmk1245]

2 hours ago, Weitter Duckss said:

Wonderfully.  ?Today laws allow theft and legalize everything that was acquired by theft. Should all be excited when they gain the benefit of stolen things? Who normal, glorify thieves? Maybe Hubbell (Theory of Expansion of the Universe)?

Correlation between stellar rotation and temperature was known long before you made "ground breaking discovery". That makes you a thief.

Edited December 8, 2017 by bmk1245