Iran threatens war over renewed sanctions

[+and-then]

THIS^  SO, this!  There aren't enough likes allowed for such wisdom! 

[Farmer77]

8 hours ago, AnchorSteam said:

In fact, that is exactly what you are doing.

Always taking the most negative possible spin on everything you have to say about everything and everyone America says far more than any little disclaimer you tack on to the end of it.

I posted an article that was specifically quoting soldiers and sailors on their experiences there, along with a well known video to counter a point that had been made. IM sorry that reality offends 

8 hours ago, AnchorSteam said:

Yes, I do take this personally. It is outrageous and offensive and a brutally political move to use combat footage to make American Soldiers look like savage monsters, but it is nothing new. The Enemies of the USA, communists primarily,  have been doing it since cameras were invented. 

Im sorry you're so offended at the posting of facts. I didnt do it to make anyone look like anything but to forward on the truth. A claim was made, I posted the words and actions of people who were there to dispel that claim. 

8 hours ago, AnchorSteam said:

A couple things for you -

1; name a country that had the kind of power the USA did over the rest of the world for a quarter of a century, and abused it less than we did.

2; name a country that isn't trying to influence the rest of the world, to the best of its ability.

Heres the thing which always seems to be missed by the nationalist types. One can love their nation and think its the best nation on earth while not ignoring her problems. In fact by focusing on the problems a nation can figure out how to overcome them and ensure she doesnt make the same mistake twice. 

Edited October 12, 2017 by Farmer77

[RoofGardener]

14 hours ago, The_V_Spirit said:

Hmmm yeah...I've literally explained this chant your referring to in previous posts.  Both sides are threatening each other. But US seems smarter. They show themselves the faithful heroes to the world while they are the ones behind 9/11, they are the ones who created ISIS , and a lot of other things which they won't accept, and whoever sees these conspiracies are labeled as a conspiracy loony! 

US like any other nation drowned in power, only thinks about its own benefits and improvement to the top. fighting terrorism and bringing peace and joy to the world is just an excuse. All an illusion!   

Yeeeees..... of course. And don't forget creating the Taliban, shooting down the Alien Ambassadors at Roswell and imprisoning them in Area 51, setting fire to the Reichstag, invading Poland disguised as German soldiers, assassinating Archduke Franz Ferdinand, sinking Atlantis, and trying to impose Flourination on the world. I mean, what would you expect from a Nation ruled by Zionist Masonic Illuminati's ?

[internetperson]

9 hours ago, AnchorSteam said:

Have you never heard of Sadr City?

Buddy of mine was there. Was hanging out with him last night actually. He was army I think 1st Cav.

[Sir Smoke aLot]

18 hours ago, and then said:

Ridiculously false equivalency you're trying to make there.  The people of Israel are life-affirming and create technologies that save lives all over the world.  Iran's leaders deal death to the rest of the world.  Period.  You can spin whatever rhetoric you like but it doesn't make it accurate.  Unless the IRGC backs off in Syria, it is going to get BUSTED by the combined arms of Israel.  After that, the real story will begin, I guess. 

Are you even aware of Persian contribution to the world, healthcare and education mainly? But that is irrelevant here. 

I've found cure for cancer, does it make me immune to laws and prosecution? Can i kill now freely? That is wrong.

You can not paint whole of Iran or parts of their army as lunatics, can't paint their people like that especially not when based out on out of context taken stances. Just recently Iran has officially stated it's opposition to Zionist regime ( as they refer to Israel ) but they also officially stated that people of Israel are not their enemies. That is official stance by Iran. Sere Rouhani talk at UN as reply to Trump. Do not listen to me, listen to Rouhani.

As for Syria, Israel is already attacking ( for years since Syrian war against terrorism and wahhabism ), pokeing with intention to escalate things, there were numerous attacks by IDF on Syrian regime and Hezbollah troops in Syria. USA did to, that was one of main reasons that Deir ez Zor completely fall into isis hands about 3 and half years ago.

Since USA has opened military base in Israel Assad could make the same claim, ''unless USA close it's newly opened base we will combine arms to do whatever we can'' but see, Assad would have legitimate option at his disposal, to attack and recapture Golan Heights  Simple case man.

Israel should not meddle into Syrian internal affairs but, another 'Lybia like' country would be great asset for Israel, who surely does not care for 'some Arabs' who get killed and lose their sovereignity in the process?

Iran to Syria is what USA is to Israel, sounds resonable to me. Did Syria occupy parts of Israel since 1973? No it did not. Now that Assad seems to be certainly winning ( thanks to people support mainly ), Israel cries out loud and urges America to get more involved. Did Assad cry about Israel? No, he is consistent as ever there has be no change in Assads stance since his rejection of supporting war on Iraq so why does Israel ask for harder American involvement now and did not cry before? It is well known fact that Syria, Hezbollah and Iran make great allies for decades. Israel has no right to even state their opinion of that alliance.

All in all, when Israel and Syria relation is concerned, Israel illegally occupy Syrian territory, contrary to UN resolutions ( for example uncr 497 ). Considering that fact and that Syria hasn't attack Israel since, does Israel have any right, moral or legal, to mention Syria at all? Such aggressive state in possesion of nukes and Samson option is far greater threat to me than Iran will ever be. Ask their neighbours about it

 

[AnchorSteam]

7 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

I posted an article that was specifically quoting soldiers and sailors on their experiences there, along with a well known video to counter a point that had been made. IM sorry that reality offends 

It is the spin being put on reality that offends. And that link to so many thousands of words is a bit much, unless you are going to pay people to spend the hours required to read and analyze them

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Heres the thing which always seems to be missed by the nationalist types. One can love their nation and think its the best nation on earth while not ignoring her problems. In fact by focusing on the problems a nation can figure out how to overcome them and ensure she doesnt make the same mistake twice. 

"nationalist types" ... 

I have critical things to say about the US all the time, I just try to avoid taking the side of people who hate us and want us all dead. Certain other "types" are always doing the opposite.

6 hours ago, internetperson said:

Buddy of mine was there. Was hanging out with him last night actually. He was army I think 1st Cav.

I was Cav too. The Bradley was an interesting vehicle, maybe the best one to have in a situation with more unknowns than firm data. But still ... it really isn't the ideal recon vehicle. Big, tall, and noisy. We really ought to have something made for the job, instead of a slightly modified version of the Infantry people-carrier. 

 

1 hour ago, Sir Smoke aLot said:

You can not paint whole of Iran or parts of their army as lunatics, can't paint their people like that especially not when based out on out of context taken stances. Just recently Iran has officially stated it's opposition to Zionist regime ( as they refer to Israel ) but they also officially stated that people of Israel are not their enemies. That is official stance by Iran. Sere Rouhani talk at UN as reply to Trump. Do not listen to me, listen to Rouhani.

 

Firstly, Persian and Arab are two very different things, but people don't seem to understand that very well. As for my attitude, if it weren't for the Mullahs and 12-ers running the place, I would take the side of an Iranian over an Arab whenever possible. 

With the possible exception of Egypt, treachery is incredibly common in the Arab culture, and Israel isn't far behind. That is just the way it is, and our involvement does not change it, not one damn bit. 

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Israel should not meddle into Syrian internal affairs but, another 'Lybia like' country would be great asset for Israel,

I would have thought just the opposite... but everything is so twisted over there, who knows what the hell anyone there really wants?

Peace certainly isn't much of a priority...

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All in all, when Israel and Syria relation is concerned, Israel illegally occupy Syrian territory, contrary to UN resolutions ( for example uncr 497 ). Considering that fact and that Syria hasn't attack Israel since,...

 

I basically agree with a lot of what you said, but the Golan area is of no importance to Syria... unless they plan to attack Israel.  I'm thinking they have other things to worry about ATM, right?

Edited October 12, 2017 by AnchorSteam

[Sir Smoke aLot]

4 minutes ago, AnchorSteam said:

Firstly, Persian and Arab are two very different things, but people don't seem to understand that very well. As for my attitude, if it weren't for the Mullahs and 12-ers running the place, I would take the side of an Iranian over an Arab whenever possible. 

With the possible exception of Egypt, treachery is incredibly common in the Arab culture, and Israel isn't far behind. That is just the way it is, and our involvement does not change it, not one damn bit. 

Of course they are different. I do not specialise in such evaluations as treachery, for example, is relative and can be said for anyone by my opinion, depending of perspective, agenda or mere disinformation.

7 minutes ago, AnchorSteam said:

I would have thought just the opposite... but everything is so twisted over there, who knows what the hell anyone there really wants?

Peace certainly isn't much of a priority...

UN could not make a line there, USA does not want to make a line and the rest of the world follows in some kind of 'sheep state of mind' thingy. One thing is certain, i agree that peace surely is not priority but to get into such talks it would take some time.

 

12 minutes ago, AnchorSteam said:

I basically agree with a lot of what you said, but the Golan area is of no importance to Syria... unless they plan to attack Israel.  I'm thinking they have other things to worry about ATM, right?

Take any border region for example, region between two hostile nations. Each would have logical grounds to make such land grab and reason with 'preemptive land grab'. That is not good for stability of the world and international law is made to prevent such absurd events.

Golan Heights isvery interesting area, water reserves and fertile ground. In that region, those are two of most important assets, not to go deeper. Strategically, it is also important but it is Syrian territory and Israel has to live with that.

From Jordan you can see city lights in Israel, that is not enormously large area.So, strategically, Golan Heights are not any different for modern weaponry than any other border area between Israel and Syria. I can't find source but i believe that Syria has planned, officially maybe around late 1980s or early 1990s, to give Golan Heights to Lebanon so,you can make a claim that it is not important to Syria but even if it is not important to them, in terms of resources, that doesn't give legal ground for Israel to occupy it.

Now, in this war which destroyed Syria, almost completely, and with recent development in situation which goes into Assad's ( Syrian ) favor Syrian sovereignity is important aspect of Syrian future. Assad has officially stated he will not stop untill every inch of Syrian territory is back to Syria. Will it be diplomatically ( most likely ) or by military. We shall see.

Sure they have other worries but i recommend you to see Assad speech in front of his government officials in Damascus where he speaks about his position over Syrian sovereignity.

[The_V_Spirit]

10 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Yeeeees..... of course. And don't forget creating the Taliban, shooting down the Alien Ambassadors at Roswell and imprisoning them in Area 51, setting fire to the Reichstag, invading Poland disguised as German soldiers, assassinating Archduke Franz Ferdinand, sinking Atlantis, and trying to impose Flourination on the world. I mean, what would you expect from a Nation ruled by Zionist Masonic Illuminati's ?

You can be sarcastic all you want but no one can deny the fact that world leaders are actually controlled by unknown people like muppets. No i don't i believe reptilians exist, no i don't believe the earth is flat or the statements you've just made. But i also don't easily believe any bull**** information which the news and the media feed my mind. You want to be naive and one dimensional, that's your choice. you have your opinions and i have mine.Making fun of other people is not mature, so try to grow up! 

[The_V_Spirit]

21 hours ago, and then said:

Does it occur to you that this individual - who might be exactly what and who he says he is - might also be a paid member of the government on here to spread disinfo?  The reason this occurs to me is that I've only ever seen one other person claiming to be from Iran and he stopped coming here long ago.  With the government there being known to heavily censor the net: 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2013/08/15/heres-how-iran-censors-the-internet/?utm_term=.4a30373fd3f5

https://www.ifex.org/iran/2017/06/20/internet-censorship/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-internet-censorship/iran-expands-smart-internet-censorship-idUSKBN0K40SE20141226

It's just something to consider.  If he IS legit, then I hope he stays safe from the thugs that run his country.  

Wow!....To be honest i don't blame you to think of me that way. Our governments have been enemies for a long time.

FYI, no i don't get paid by anyone to spread false information. If that was the case i would be hacking and commenting in other more important websites and forums related to politics and intelligence instead of hanging around in this normal website related to unexplained mysteries! i mean i don't usually visit this thread, i love  other stuff related to science. But since it was about my COUNTRY,  i think i have a bit of a right to explain stuff. Sorry if my words contradict your concrete and inflexible minds!

Just know that the US is also not that much of an innocent and heroic nation than you think it is. there are political reasons behind all events. 

Also the problem is i can't explain in full detail about my ideas that much here (i think i have proved that somehow in parts of my messages). All i can say is we are on the same boat here. So don't worry and thank you for your concern 

P.S: Hasn't it occurred to you that probably the person who you've mentioned might just got bored on this site and decided to not bother himself to come again? Or who knows, he might've explicitly ranted some things about my government which was not acceptable and was busted? The reason i'm cautious in replying here is because of that. To be safe. 

 

 

Edited October 12, 2017 by The_V_Spirit

[internetperson]

On 10/11/2017 at 9:23 PM, and then said:

Does it occur to you that this individual - who might be exactly what and who he says he is - might also be a paid member of the government on here to spread disinfo?  The reason this occurs to me is that I've only ever seen one other person claiming to be from Iran and he stopped coming here long ago.  With the government there being known to heavily censor the net: 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2013/08/15/heres-how-iran-censors-the-internet/?utm_term=.4a30373fd3f5

https://www.ifex.org/iran/2017/06/20/internet-censorship/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-internet-censorship/iran-expands-smart-internet-censorship-idUSKBN0K40SE20141226

It's just something to consider.  If he IS legit, then I hope he stays safe from the thugs that run his country.  

Actually yes but considering how much I read (actual books) I consider myself immune to brainwashing. This is why educated folks are the first to go under totalitarian regimes.

If you doubt what he says all ya gotta do is say this, "Link?" I'm too lazy to go back and re-read everything (also getting kinda late and I'm in the middle of binge watching Netflix) but I think the only issue I had with his statement was that we mow down innocent civilians. I stick to what I said earlier, his statement is an emotive. 

I will say I feel it's of utmost importance to try and see where he's coming from and why he has the ideals he has. Hear him out and have a discussion. A lot more is accomplished this way. How about we compare notes and have an open mind rather than think we know all there is to know on the subject. How many books have you read on the subject? 

This goes for everyone posting here including myself.

[+and-then]

4 hours ago, internetperson said:

Actually yes but considering how much I read (actual books) I consider myself immune to brainwashing. This is why educated folks are the first to go under totalitarian regimes.

If you doubt what he says all ya gotta do is say this, "Link?" I'm too lazy to go back and re-read everything (also getting kinda late and I'm in the middle of binge watching Netflix) but I think the only issue I had with his statement was that we mow down innocent civilians. I stick to what I said earlier, his statement is an emotive. 

I will say I feel it's of utmost importance to try and see where he's coming from and why he has the ideals he has. Hear him out and have a discussion. A lot more is accomplished this way. How about we compare notes and have an open mind rather than think we know all there is to know on the subject. How many books have you read on the subject? 

This goes for everyone posting here including myself.

Books on what subject?  I'm confused.  I wasn't stating that he's a fake, just that he might be a propagandist.  There really is no way to know.  He certainly seems of the opinion that the U.S. is at fault for his country's problems, at least economically.  The fact that he also seems to give his own government a pass on their death to America/Israel chants is instructive as well.  The problem with Iran is less about their threats to America than their moves to surround Israel.  THAT is going to lead to a regional, possibly global, war.  Have you read anything about the Shia doctrine of the Twelvers?  It's an Islamic eschatological movement and the current leadership are composed primarily of adherents to this doctrine.  In short, they believe it is their duty to create the conditions that will bring back the 12th or "hidden" Imam al Mahdi.  He is said to return when the world is at the point of total chaos and warfare.  A mindset like that would cheerfully use nukes to bring their beliefs to fruition.

[Lilly]

4 hours ago, and then said:

...  Have you read anything about the Shia doctrine of the Twelvers?  It's an Islamic eschatological movement and the current leadership are composed primarily of adherents to this doctrine.  In short, they believe it is their duty to create the conditions that will bring back the 12th or "hidden" Imam al Mahdi.  He is said to return when the world is at the point of total chaos and warfare.  A mindset like that would cheerfully use nukes to bring their beliefs to fruition.

Yeah, this is correct...and those who believe in this stuff do not mind dying in pursuit of bringing about the return of the 12th Imam.

[Farmer77]

4 hours ago, and then said:

He is said to return when the world is at the point of total chaos and warfare.  A mindset like that would cheerfully use nukes to bring their beliefs to fruition.

Couldnt the exact same thing be said for Christians ? 

 

[RoofGardener]

2 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Couldnt the exact same thing be said for Christians ?

Ummm.... No ?

[Farmer77]

Just now, RoofGardener said:

Ummm.... No ?

Why not? They're looking , rooting, hoping and literally praying for their dude, Jesus, to return. We know according to scripture that wont happen until the world has gone to crap with wonderful little things like Damascus being wiped off the face of the earth. You honestly believe there arent those in Christiandom who would or could force the issue in order to bring that about?

I know many who would, granted they're nowhere near the big red button, but that mentality is a prevalent one. 

[RoofGardener]

If I recall my Ezekia

12 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Why not? They're looking , rooting, hoping and literally praying for their dude, Jesus, to return. We know according to scripture that wont happen until the world has gone to crap with wonderful little things like Damascus being wiped off the face of the earth. You honestly believe there arent those in Christiandom who would or could force the issue in order to bring that about?

I know many who would, granted they're nowhere near the big red button, but that mentality is a prevalent one. 

Ummm...no, not really. The Christian eschatology is more complex than that. The arrival of Jesus would co-incide with Tribulation, but he would shorten or anull it.

[Farmer77]

1 minute ago, RoofGardener said:

If I recall my Ezekia

Ummm...no, not really. The Christian eschatology is more complex than that. The arrival of Jesus would co-incide with Tribulation, but he would shorten or anull it.

Exactly my point. Without the tribulation there is no Jesus returning, hell speaking anecdotally I can tell you my extended family are some of those rooting for the destruction to happen so they can be proven right to all the sinners be taken home to Jesus 

 

 

[Sir Smoke aLot]

It seems Trump will leave deal and such decision could lead to EU staying with Iran in this case. Many EU officials warn about possible dangers and their rejection of breaking deal. We shall see what happens but that is not only problem, behind the curtain a lot has happened which medias didn't cover propperly ( or anyhow ).

As in UN, when USA doesn't like something they leave their seats, Israel too. Now they do no like UNESCO for making Hebron as Palestinian heritage, among other things, they see it as anti-israel, so they both leave UNESCO. Trump doesn't like the deal recently, deal which was condemned by Bibi from start. Now Trump wants to break it.

Is America sovereign country at all anymore? Does Bibi control Trump? I think he does, to large extent. 

Some immoral decisions and chronology which i haven't seen before Trump. What does America get from any of this decisions? More hate towards America, that's for sure.

[RoofGardener]

4 minutes ago, Sir Smoke aLot said:

It seems Trump will leave deal and such decision could lead to EU staying with Iran in this case. Many EU officials warn about possible dangers and their rejection of breaking deal. We shall see what happens but that is not only problem, behind the curtain a lot has happened which medias didn't cover propperly ( or anyhow ).

As in UN, when USA doesn't like something they leave their seats, Israel too. Now they do no like UNESCO for making Hebron as Palestinian heritage, among other things, they see it as anti-israel, so they both leave UNESCO. Trump doesn't like the deal recently, deal which was condemned by Bibi from start. Now Trump wants to break it.

Is America sovereign country at all anymore? Does Bibi control Trump? I think he does, to large extent. 

Some immoral decisions and chronology which i haven't seen before Trump. What does America get from any of this decisions? More hate towards America, that's for sure.

Let us remember that the USA left UNESCO before, again over its rabid bias against Israel. It was in the 1980's, under Ronald Reagan. It rejoined under Bush but - and here's an interesting thing - suspended all fincancial support as a protest against bias under Barak Obama !

Does Bibi Control Trump ? No, though they may think alike on some issues. Here's a better question: does the Organisation of Islamic Co-operation control UNESCO ?

[internetperson]

6 hours ago, and then said:

Books on what subject? 

Post WW2 middle east history. 

6 hours ago, and then said:

He certainly seems of the opinion that the U.S. is at fault for his country's problems, at least economically.

I would have to agree to an extent.

6 hours ago, and then said:

The fact that he also seems to give his own government a pass on their death to America/Israel chants is instructive as well.

Agreed. I try to look at both sides of the argument but this doesn't help. That being said, I understand why they hate us so much. 

6 hours ago, and then said:

The problem with Iran is less about their threats to America than their moves to surround Israel.  THAT is going to lead to a regional, possibly global, war.

Another can of  worms and possibly new thread topic idea. I agree that could lead to a global war but we're complicit in that. We carved that area up like the Vatican carved up America. We do this with borders and it always leads to war. Africa is another example. This is also why we instill dictators like Sddam and Gaddafi. We wanted someone who would just 'get the damn job done' and we looked the other way at teh techniques used. Like that Paul Mooney joke about how we know Iraq had weapons of mass destruction: we know they have them cause they have the receipt.

6 hours ago, and then said:

Have you read anything about the Shia doctrine of the Twelvers?  It's an Islamic eschatological movement and the current leadership are composed primarily of adherents to this doctrine.  In short, they believe it is their duty to create the conditions that will bring back the 12th or "hidden" Imam al Mahdi.  He is said to return when the world is at the point of total chaos and warfare.  A mindset like that would cheerfully use nukes to bring their beliefs to fruition.

Ha yeah my military friends had a joke about this, kinda dark though. But yeah we've been wrestling with this for a long time. We inadvertently fan the flames because not everyone in the middle east agrees with this but when families are murdered and folks have nothing left they will die trying to get their revenge. An attack on Iran will be like kicking the hornets nest. 

And on a side note it was said earlier we created ISIS which again is not true. But we funded the mujahadeen (billions in weapons) and this eventually blew up in our face. We admired the mujahadeen in the 80s and even had a special day set aside (national afghanistan day? something like that). 

Our politics are flip floppy and we just use everybody to our advantage. We put someone in power then 20 years later he's a demon. Again, this isn't so much a US thing as a world thing. Everyone had the same goal we just executed it better. This is in part because post ww2 britain and france were in bad shape.

Earlier you mentioned 'just because of sanctions' I don't think you're familiar with how bad the sanctions against Iraq affected that country. I can post about this but again maybe new thread idea? 

EDIT: Oh and what's your opinion on Pakistan? I consider this to be the elephant in the room.

Edited October 13, 2017 by internetperson
grammar

[Sir Smoke aLot]

5 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Let us remember that the USA left UNESCO before, again over its rabid bias against Israel. It was in the 1980's, under Ronald Reagan. It rejoined under Bush but - and here's an interesting thing - suspended all fincancial support as a protest against bias under Barak Obama !

Does Bibi Control Trump ? No, though they may think alike on some issues. Here's a better question: does the Organisation of Islamic Co-operation control UNESCO ?

[edit] i will quote one paragraph from book just in minute to explain why i think this claim of Islamic influence is wrong, since 1930s :

To say that any Islamic country has influence over UN, UNESCO or any other world organization, that is pure fantasy. I can not stress how wrong is that.

Edited October 13, 2017 by Sir Smoke aLot

[RoofGardener]

5 minutes ago, Sir Smoke aLot said:

To say that any Islamic country has influence over UN, UNESCO or any other world organization, that is pure fantasy. I can not stress how wrong is that.

The OIC is the largest single voting block in the UN !

Not so sure about UNESCO, but they most certainly joined the political arena with their decision about the Wailing Wall.

[Sir Smoke aLot]

Just now, RoofGardener said:

The OIC is the largest single voting block in the UN !

Not so sure about UNESCO, but they most certainly joined the political arena with their decision about the Wailing Wall.

Are you aware that Arab countries ( just some few days or an week ago, at tops ) are doing great deal in favor of Israel and yet Israel leaves UNESCO. Link.

This proposal gives 6 months time to Israel and takes 6 months from future for Palestinians.

OIC has done nothing for Gadaffi either, even tho he gave historical speech in front of UN in 2009 i think, speech in which he predicted everything and stressed how important is to reorganize UN because it was not true to it's constitution at all. Look how he was finished and keep in mind that his son was freed from prison recently.

If they were 'evil dictators' how come that Said is free man now? One of largest scams in modern history, scam which costed many lives and infrastructure. For Lybia, there is no sovereign future anymore.

Is that Islamic unity? Is that Islamic influence? 

Now not to make this Israel thread, i won't open such debate here and that book paragraph i said that i will post here has no place in this topic. Generally, OIC is worthless as much as UN is worthless by itself in it's current state.

If you would please just read about what UNESCO stands for and why was it made at first place. Whoever leaves UNESCO he directly attacks his own credibility and authority over international issues bmo.

[RoofGardener]

I'm not sure what you mean about ".... gread deal in favor of israel..." ? Could you expand on that ?

As for credibility: I would suggest that it is UNESCO rather than Israel that has lost credibility regarding international issues ?

[Sir Smoke aLot]

Well, in short, let's get back on topic, even tho this is all linked.

Here is Rouhani's 'reply to Trump'.

And here is Trump's speech :

This should be main reference for evaluation of current situation, and there are many official statements after those talks. I've listened to both of them carefully and have also researched many of claims made, especially those made by Trump.

Everyone can decide for themselves. There are talks both by Trump and Rouhani after UN, done in their countries regarding Nuclear Deal.

Those UN presentations by both presidents are my main interest and base for any conclusion.