+Hammerclaw Posted October 24, 2017 #76 Share Posted October 24, 2017 5 hours ago, Morgus said: Look, I have never used CG or in any other way attemp to deceive or mislead. What I film is what I see. The issue is interpreting what I have filmed. You interpret differently from me. Hard as it may be for you to believe, I just want to know what it is, and not simply accept old information ignoring what I capture on film. If you care to watch, I explain my introduction to orbs in this video. I am baffled that someone would say I am filming water mist or droplets, when I have filmed orbs moving horizontally when the rain is falling vertically. Or when someone would say there is something on my lens when clearly I have filmed orbs moving behind trees 29 feet away and 20 feet high. Or that the orbs I am filming are not living when I clearly show them reacting to camera flashes over and over. Or that they are out of focus bugs, when I have orbs coming and going and never changing form as something out of focus would, and showing the same orb being filmed and in a flash picture that shows its true form and in color. People acts as if my videos carry no weight and only want to hold tightly to old theories without seriously reviewing what I have documented. No point in debating further. I am confident and have come to my confidence through skeptical study. I am certain I will be proven correct. I have always welcome serious helpful critique but haven’t time for those who cannot think beyond the old party line...thanks for the input... There is no debate. You just want to discuss your conclusions and brush off anything that contradicts them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgus Posted October 24, 2017 Author #77 Share Posted October 24, 2017 (edited) I want to brush off nonsense...if someone says I have not filmed an orb in the rain because they believe orbs do not exist and if they do they are only water droplets and I have it clearly on film...in your world you would not debate their conclusion with overwhelming evidence, well I do, because I want to get at the truth and not allow false nonsense... Edited October 24, 2017 by Morgus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essan Posted October 24, 2017 #78 Share Posted October 24, 2017 8 hours ago, Morgus said: Look, I have never used CG No-one has accused you of using CG But your videos have been edited. They are not the raw output from your camera. And that is what we need to see to determine whether what you have recorded is anything untoward. We also need precise details of camera settings, lighting etc No reason why you cannot provide these. At the moment we dont even know what camera you used! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted October 24, 2017 #79 Share Posted October 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Morgus said: I want to brush off nonsense...if someone says I have not filmed an orb in the rain because they believe orbs do not exist and if they do they are only water droplets and I have it clearly on film...in your world you would not debate their conclusion with overwhelming evidence, well I do, because I want to get at the truth and not allow false nonsense... there are many orbs filmed in rain on youtube....if you search for them....yours is no different or special in any way youre just trying to increase the youtube hits arent you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgus Posted October 24, 2017 Author #80 Share Posted October 24, 2017 I appreciate your comment and believe you have correctly listed the options of possibilities for what orbs might be after putting aside the other theories of dust, water and plant spores. 1. I do not believe as you say, they are out of focus insects. Until someone with expertise can look through my infrared night vision binoculars and show me an orb being refocused into a known insect, I do not believe that it what they are. Any takers? 2. Orbs seem to be a recent phenomenon and seems to have become the property of the paranormal community. That in itself turns off any serious consideration from the scientific community. Why are others so hostile against a new look at orbs without bringing all the biased baggage? 3. I believe they are a “type” of insect, though unique and perplexing. I do not believe they are paranormal due to the following: 1. I can film them anytime I want and have to do nothing to attract them. 2. They play around amongst other creatures of the night sky as if part of their group. 3. They swarm or gather in groups around trees and other foliage. 4. Although I have searched, I have not seen them over the ocean away from vegetation, making me think they need it. 5. Nothing I have observed with the orbs I am filming leads me to believe they are paranormal. Having said the above, I do believe they are of some intelligence, perhaps like a dolphin, a pig or a dog. They can react and respond and show off, but that does not make them paranormal. I have videos illustrating such. Lastly, the list of questions I posed to you previously are of some importance in this matter. How you come to answer the following questions has a direct bearing on what you believe about orbs. - why is there something rather than nothing? - where did we come from? - why are we here? - where are we going? - how do you know your answers to these questions are true? - what is the basis for your answers to these questions? - how do you know that basis for your answers to these questions is accurate and true? - what is truth and is it important in answering the above questions? Now with regard to you final question, I am very interested in finding the truth about what I am filming. If, based on the above questions and their answers and specific evidence, I am willing to accept whatever the truth reveals.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgus Posted October 24, 2017 Author #81 Share Posted October 24, 2017 50 minutes ago, seeder said: there are many orbs filmed in rain on youtube....if you search for them....yours is no different or special in any way youre just trying to increase the youtube hits arent you? You talk a big talk, show the video! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted October 24, 2017 #82 Share Posted October 24, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Morgus said: You talk a big talk, show the video! cant you use a search function? heres just 83,400 results https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=orbs+in+rain Edited October 24, 2017 by seeder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgus Posted October 24, 2017 Author #83 Share Posted October 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Essan said: No-one has accused you of using CG But your videos have been edited. They are not the raw output from your camera. And that is what we need to see to determine whether what you have recorded is anything untoward. We also need precise details of camera settings, lighting etc No reason why you cannot provide these. At the moment we dont even know what camera you used! You have a point. My videos are simply putting together raw video and nothing more as you can observe below. Anyone can get the exact same result and view what I capture. 1. Bushnell Equinox Z 4x50 Digital Binoculars - Night Vision - IPX4 weatherproof - Black 2. LUMIX Panasonic 28 mm wide angle mega O.I.S camera. Face Dection/Intelligent O.I.S. Control 1. Raw video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgus Posted October 24, 2017 Author #84 Share Posted October 24, 2017 16 minutes ago, seeder said: cant you use a search function? heres just 83,400 results https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=orbs+in+rain But I am sure you can show just one... you said you have seen many Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted October 24, 2017 #85 Share Posted October 24, 2017 On 23.10.2017 at 5:59 PM, papageorge1 said: You must realize that is just a claimed debunking of the entire phenomena. I have never heard full acceptance by all. I doesnt work that way, genius. The "entire phenomena" has never been proven as to be a phenomena that cannot be explained, so there is nothing to debunk at all. Of course it is been accepted by a few but that fact only indicate that these people lack in various disciplines like photography and in general in logic compared with a big piece of credulity for whatever reasons. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted October 24, 2017 #86 Share Posted October 24, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, Morgus said: I just want to know what it is, and not simply accept old information ignoring what I capture on film. If the old information is correct, you need to accept it. It IS. I note you haven't disputed a word I've posted. Quote I am baffled that someone would say I am filming water mist or droplets, when I have filmed orbs moving horizontally when the rain is falling vertically. ??????????? Seriously??? Geez, I hope that's a troll..... We have pointed out that it isn't just water/mist/snow, it's dust, insects, pollen - indeed any small particulate matter. What sort of ludicrous, idiotic logic is it that only one of those things could be captured at any given time? Words fail me. Anyway, I'll not be wasting my time responding further to someone who 'thinks' like that - does anyone ELSE have any further points to make? Edited October 24, 2017 by ChrLzs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgus Posted October 24, 2017 Author #87 Share Posted October 24, 2017 The old information is irrelevant and out of date. which is it in this film? Most, snow, pollen? What dust moves around in the rain? What pollen moves horizontally in rain? What bug is spherical and hovers? I doubt you viewed this video before your uniformed comment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted October 24, 2017 #88 Share Posted October 24, 2017 (edited) I will ask Morgus again why do we NOT see any (or many) orb photos before digital camera technology? Ive got DOZENS of photos with orbs in them.... mostly when taking pics of my son..indoors and even outdoors....on a digital Fuji cam so what? Edited October 24, 2017 by seeder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted October 24, 2017 #89 Share Posted October 24, 2017 1 hour ago, toast said: I doesnt work that way, genius. Thanks. 1 hour ago, toast said: Of course it is been accepted by a few but that fact only indicate that these people lack in various disciplines like photography and in general in logic compared with a big piece of credulity for whatever reasons. Oh, so who decides that determination is the official one, genius? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSanta Posted October 24, 2017 #90 Share Posted October 24, 2017 (edited) So you're using binoculars and a camera? Your binoculars are night vision, correct? How are you filming these, describe your set-up. I'm confused. Never mind, I did a little research and realized they're capable of recording video. Edited October 25, 2017 by SecretSanta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted October 24, 2017 #91 Share Posted October 24, 2017 6 minutes ago, papageorge1 said: Thanks. Oh, so who decides that determination is the official one, genius? those with a basic grasp of logic and common sense...usually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted October 24, 2017 #92 Share Posted October 24, 2017 2 hours ago, Morgus said: I2. Orbs seem to be a recent phenomenon and seems to have become the property of the paranormal community. Perhaps if you think of the paranormal as just the normal not yet understood by science, the word will lose some of its negative stigma with you. Elementals have also been called nature spirits. There is no reason not to consider this. If it exists, it is part of science in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted October 24, 2017 #93 Share Posted October 24, 2017 1 minute ago, seeder said: those with a basic grasp of logic and common sense...usually Then that includes me and @Morgus in my serious opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted October 24, 2017 #94 Share Posted October 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, papageorge1 said: Then that includes me and @Morgus in my serious opinion. and please explain what logic and common sense you both have bought to the discussion? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSanta Posted October 24, 2017 #95 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Are you saying this is an orb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgus Posted October 25, 2017 Author #96 Share Posted October 25, 2017 1 hour ago, papageorge1 said: Perhaps if you think of the paranormal as just the normal not yet understood by science, the word will lose some of its negative stigma with you. Elementals have also been called nature spirits. There is no reason not to consider this. If it exists, it is part of science in my book. You may have a point, but I was not referring to my opinion, but answering your question as to why science has not taken orbs seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgus Posted October 25, 2017 Author #97 Share Posted October 25, 2017 1 hour ago, SecretSanta said: Are you saying this is an orb? Yes, this video is a video of an orb moving about in the rain.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgus Posted October 25, 2017 Author #98 Share Posted October 25, 2017 2 hours ago, seeder said: I will ask Morgus again why do we NOT see any (or many) orb photos before digital camera technology? Ive got DOZENS of photos with orbs in them.... mostly when taking pics of my son..indoors and even outdoors....on a digital Fuji cam so what? Because there was no digital technology....are the orbs you are filming animate or inanimate? What I am filming is animate... That's what... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgus Posted October 25, 2017 Author #99 Share Posted October 25, 2017 I took this picture just this evening... this is a picture of the orbs I film... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgus Posted October 25, 2017 Author #100 Share Posted October 25, 2017 2 hours ago, SecretSanta said: So you're using binoculars and a camera? Your binoculars are night vision, correct? How are you filming these, describe your set-up. I'm confused. Never mind, I did a little research and realized they're capable of recording video. Yes, they film in infrared night vision. I also use a a panasonic camera to take flash pictures. Sometimes I hold the camera on top of the binoculars so I can take flash pictures of the very orbs I am filming in night vision. This confirms that the flash pictures of still orbs are actually the moving orbs in my night vision video. This completely destroys the idea the orbs are something on my lens as some would believe. It also proves that still pictures are actually orbs that move. Much more is proven as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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