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Golden Duck
1 hour ago, dirtierdragoon4 said:

You have about a week before it no longer matters. That is when we are to get a real good look at what this Phenomena really looks like and does.

Introduction to Hal Puthoff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuuIZhP3xFI & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blojNMW-Ias

Nothing outlandish there.

Are you the defender of the ufo scammed? I hear gambling is a big problem. Go protest a Casino buddy. :D Also, there are at least 10 churches down my street, you want to help protest them also? :D

...she will probably be out of the job when all the videos/pics and docs are released in less than a week. Because there will be nothing for her to reveal.

Let us come together and pray that these investors will not lose their money and at least see what it is that we are supposed to catch. I'm so ready!!! Come one ChrLzs, where is your enthusiasm? lol

Do you think US export controls might be a risk to the amazing technology they dream of developing? 

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Timothy

Hooray, a week is better than a year.

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stereologist
10 hours ago, OntarioSquatch said:

Some background info on the project and the people involved in it:

Tom Delonge - He had a strong interest in the subject before the project, and got in touch with members of a secret group known as the “Aviary” through connections that his dad had. The Aviary agreed to use DeLonge as an outlet for releasing classified info that they had on the phenomenon. The reason why they chose DeLonge was to target the interested people of the younger generation, as some of the info can be quite disturbing, and is not Christian-friendly at all. DeLonge himself is trying to milk money through this, and is so far succeeding.

Dr. Hal Puthoff - A talented physicist, and one of the members of the Aviary. He’s also one of the individuals who masterminded the entire operation. So far, he’s made over 200 million dollars throughout his career, and most of it has from classified military contracts. His biggest achievements that I know of are the creation of a free-energy device, along with the designing of the government’s remote viewing methodology decades ago

Jim Semivan - It’s a fake name, and JimSem1 is a fake company. Apparantely he managed to get an agency to arrange for him to not have to use his real name

Puthoff has NOT built a free-energy device. He has been saying he is looking into that idea and has gotten funding with no results to date.

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stereologist

When people start looking at a musician who appears to extremely gullible as a source, a scammer named Kean as a source, and Puthoff supposedly making a free energy device I have to doubt anything being claimed on any other subject.

Sounds tome like the musician does not dare use his own money. He wants to play with the money of others in his games. He probably figures that as gullible as he is there are others out there even more gullible than he is to tap into.

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JesseCuster
5 hours ago, dirtierdragoon4 said:

You have about a week before it no longer matters. That is when we are to get a real good look at what this Phenomena really looks like and does.

What's your excuse going to be when a week passes and we don't get "a real good look" at anything?

I predict that nothing of note is going to be revealed within the next week.  And you'll either disappear from the forums or you'll have some half baked excuse for why nothing happened.

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rashore
8 hours ago, ChrLzs said:

So, no-one?

I decided to take a shot at it... and though I can't say I verified Luis Elizondo from the team, I did find a couple interesting tidbits. These are from before the current UFO thing..

First is off ICWATCH. It's a listing for William Shultz in the intelligence community, his creds/resume kind of info. He lists working under Luis Elizondo in 2008: https://icwatch.wikileaks.org/docs/rWilliam-Schultzb84b94959654b0d8%3Fsp=0Intelligence&ampSecuritySupervisoryIntelligenceOperationsSpecialistForeignDisclosureOfficerOUSD2008-10-01icwatch_indeed

The second is from a Joseph Hefferons profile, last updated in 2007, listed as Deputy Director of CIFA: https://www.zoominfo.com/p/Joseph-Hefferon/1068137014

The first article on Joseph's profile is a release from a 2005 affidavit about some CIFA management resignation, and Luis Elizondo is mentioned in it: http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2007/07/the-resignation.html

I wasn't able to live source the 2005 affidavit, all the links I tried were 404.

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OntarioSquatch
4 hours ago, stereologist said:

Puthoff has NOT built a free-energy device. He has been saying he is looking into that idea and has gotten funding with no results to date.

You easily buy that claim, but dismiss any of their claims that we’re being visited or that the remote viewing program was a success. 

If the only metric that people use to determine the validity of claims about unexplained phenomena is acceptance by mainstream science, then I don’t see research in these subjects being fruitful in any way, as it’s classified and somewhat outside the scope of what people can “prove”

 

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stereologist
Just now, OntarioSquatch said:

You easily buy that, but dismiss any of their claims that we’re being visited or that the remote viewing program was a success. 

If the only metric that people use to determine the validity of claims about unexplained phenomena is acceptance by mainstream science, then I don’t see research in these subjects being fruitful in any way, as it’s classified and outside the scope of what people can “prove”

 

The story is that he created the device. There is zero evidence for that.

So you want us to believe that he created the device without evidence that it exists. When pointed out that there is no evidence out comes the lame excuse of all fringies that mainstream science does not accept  it, that it is classified, etc.

If it is classified then how does anyone know it exists?

The problem here is that if Puthoff were able to show that mainstream science were wrong then mainstream science would do what it always does - EMBRACE it.

The RV program was a dismal failure as are all of the dubious claims since the RVers went commercial. Here are some of the stupendous RV failures:

1. mountains of Jupiter

2. rings of Jupiter (if you know anything about the RV event then you'll know why this was a whopping failure)

3. the mothership following Hale Bopp

4. active mining site on Mars

 

 

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Inversion5
3 hours ago, JesseCuster said:

What's your excuse going to be when a week passes...you'll either disappear from the forums or you'll have some half baked excuse for why nothing happened.

Duh. Both will become a personal matter :)

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Inversion5
4 hours ago, stereologist said:

When people start looking at a musician who appears to extremely gullible as a source, a scammer named Kean as a source, and Puthoff supposedly making a free energy device I have to doubt anything being claimed on any other subject.

If you put it that way... It is rather hard to chase the impossible/invisible. So everyone is susceptible to more failures than usual. But you don't stop, especially if you have a base of people supporting you somehow. I like Tom because of Angels and Airwaves band, Kean because she comes off as a person I like (minus her embarrassments, bug videos or what not) and Puthoff... no real opinion except he is focused on the exotic.

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Sounds tome like the musician does not dare use his own money....

He did use his own money, at least to start the Company. Tom said it cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

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1 minute ago, dirtierdragoon4 said:

If you put it that way... It is rather hard to chase the impossible/invisible. So everyone is susceptible to more failures than usual. But you don't stop, especially if you have a base of people supporting you somehow. I like Tom because of Angels and Airwaves band, Kean because she comes off as a person I like (minus her embarrassments, bug videos or what not) and Puthoff... no real opinion except he is focused on the exotic.

He did use his own money, at least to start the Company. Tom said it cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Chasing the dream does not mean having to be gullible and chasing illusions or deceptions or nonsense. There are plenty of real mysteries without getting duped by the likes of Kean or DeLonge.

Is supraluminal travel possible? There have been many observations which all turned out to be no. The thing is that people are looking and not just chasing an idea mindlessly. Is gravity the same everywhere in the universe. The Pioneer anomaly was used to track down a possibility. Following up on real issues makes sense while these dubious claims certainly point to failure.

Kean sways you by her personality and not the fact that she is a scammer, a hoaxer, a fraud. DeLonge sways you for reasons other than this issue. Puthoff gets your attention by stepping towards the fringe.

What's wrong with following the facts?

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Inversion5
1 hour ago, stereologist said:

...What's wrong with following the facts?

That you are wrong and that you are missing one - If Luis Elizondo was not in this picture, I would of never been this interested. He ran an aerospace threat identification program focusing on unidentified aerial technologies and states the Phenomena is real. Interest peeked. Now show me the Phenomena.

Also, I remember reading and seeing online comments about the beating Kean was getting after her book, after the bug videos, polaroid of the Belgium Ufo, etc... and it did not leave an impression that she was being malicious or devious or a scammer. If that is the case, this entire Ufology forum is a scam...trying to lure me to this website so they can make money off of unrealistic ufos that could be abducting people - pft.

Tom is a business man and alien fanboy. For some reason I was surprised when I learned early this year he was super into aliens. So based on the music I liked, which he ventured out to start, I believe in his new venture. So it is at least relevant.

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Is supraluminal travel possible?

Is quantum entanglement possible? No, but it is happening.

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toast
13 minutes ago, dirtierdragoon4 said:

He ran an aerospace threat identification program focusing on unidentified aerial technologies ...

I`m in the opinion that you interpret too much into this program and therefor you would eat anything he would serve.

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Inversion5
24 minutes ago, toast said:

I`m in the opinion that you interpret too much into this program and therefor you would eat anything he would serve.

Not too much can be gathered except based on the title... don't judge a book by its cover, right? If I fall off the bandwagon, please do not pick me up. I rather stay down and parish to the abyss.

However, he does have credentials and our favorite reporter Kean has confirmed them. Good enough for me. Sorry that my bar is so low.

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stereologist
35 minutes ago, dirtierdragoon4 said:

That you are wrong and that you are missing one - If Luis Elizondo was not in this picture, I would of never been this interested. He ran an aerospace threat identification program focusing on unidentified aerial technologies and states the Phenomena is real. Interest peeked. Now show me the Phenomena.

Also, I remember reading and seeing online comments about the beating Kean was getting after her book, after the bug videos, polaroid of the Belgium Ufo, etc... and it did not leave an impression that she was being malicious or devious or a scammer. If that is the case, this entire Ufology forum is a scam...trying to lure me to this website so they can make money off of unrealistic ufo's that could be abducting people - pft.

Tom is a business man and alien fanboy. For some reason I was surprised when I learned early this year he was super into aliens. So based on the music I liked, which he ventured out to start, I believe in his new venture. So it is at least relevant.

Is quantum entanglement possible? No, but it is happening.

Show you what phenomena? We mentioned other names and now you want to hang things on another name. Wunnerful.

Again, I asked why not follow the facts? You seem to be lead astray by one person and for reasons that are facts.

Here is what I posted:

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Kean sways you by her personality and not the fact that she is a scammer, a hoaxer, a fraud. DeLonge sways you for reasons other than this issue. Puthoff gets your attention by stepping towards the fringe.

And you continue to do the same old song and dance.

Kean is a scammer. She clearly does not seem interested in the facts, but in selling. Let's check out some facts

http://badufos.blogspot.com/2017/01/leslie-keans-new-infrared-ufo-video.html

http://badufos.blogspot.com/2012/04/leslie-kean-update-fly-is-still-flying.html

https://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/12-03-28/

Here is Kean about the Phoenix lights which were recorded on video and shown to be individual aircraft.

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However, although admitting the widely differing descriptions, writer Leslie Kean insists (regarding the first event) that “one overriding characteristic prevailed: the craft was massive; it was a solid object, not merely lights; and it often appeared to be very low in the sky, blocking out the stars behind it.” Indeed, many said “it was the size of multiple football fields and up to a mile long” (Kean 2010, 247, 248)—an exceedingly large size, perhaps especially for an extraterrestrial craft.

https://www.csicop.org/si/show/alien_lights_at_phoenix_stephenville_and_elsewhere_a_postmortem

If Kean wants to be fair she'd acknowledge that she reported on a fly in Chile and that the Phoenix lights (event 1) were due to aircraft.

You do realize that the following is wrong "Is quantum entanglement possible? No, but it is happening." Maybe you don't.

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toast
17 hours ago, OntarioSquatch said:

Dr. Hal Puthoff - A talented physicist,

No, he isnt:

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(...) Puthoff took an interest in the Church of Scientology in the late 1960s and reached what was then the top OT VII level by 1971.[3] Puthoff wrote up his "wins" for a Scientology publication, claiming to have achieved "remote viewing" abilities.[4] In 1974, Puthoff also wrote a piece for Scientology's Celebrity magazine, stating that Scientology had given him "a feeling of absolute fearlessness".[5] Puthoff severed all connection with Scientology in the late 1970s.[6]

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In the 1970s and '80s Puthoff directed a CIA/DIA-funded program at SRI International to investigate paranormal abilities, collaborating with Russell Targ in a study of the purported psychic abilities of Uri Geller, Ingo Swann, Pat Price, Joseph McMoneagle and others, as part of the Stargate Project. Both Puthoff and Targ became convinced Geller and Swann had genuine psychic powers.[7] However, Geller employed sleight of hand tricks.[8]

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Puthoff and EarthTech were granted a US Patent 5,845,220[11] in 1998 after five years delay. The claims were disputed that information could be transmitted through a distance using a modulated potential with no electric or magnetic field components. The case is used for educational purposes in patent law[12] as an example of a valid patent where "The lesson of the Puthoff patent is that in a world where both types of patents are more and more common, even a competent examiner may fail to distinguish innovation from pseudoscience."

wiki

 

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Inversion5
1 hour ago, stereologist said:

Show you what phenomena? We mentioned other names and now you want to hang things on another name. Wunnerful.

Again, I asked why not follow the facts? You seem to be lead astray by one person and for reasons that are [not] facts.

The Phenomena Luis is talking about. I mentioned Luis because I'm steering this conversation back on topic respective to the original post.

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She actually went back to Chile to try to redeem herself. Poor lady. What a career-ender.

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Not harsh enough on Kean, so I do not see anything discrediting.

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Here is Kean about the Phoenix lights which were recorded on video and shown to be individual aircraft.

https://www.csicop.org/si/show/alien_lights_at_phoenix_stephenville_and_elsewhere_a_postmortem

The overwhelming eyewitness accounts of a "star blocking craft" must of outweighed the astronomer's account of seeing planes in the first light event. Not saying they were not planes, just the "star blocking craft" was an addition to them. Obviously, Kean does not believe wholeheartedly in the most simplest answer usually being the correct one - she is a believer, not a scammer.

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If Kean wants to be fair she'd acknowledge that she reported on a fly in Chile and that the Phoenix lights (event 1) were due to aircraft.

Why would one promote themselves as the Chilean Ufo Bug Lady? It is hard enough to have an ounce of credibility in ufology in the first place.

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You do realize that the following is wrong "Is quantum entanglement possible? No, but it is happening." Maybe you don't.

The suspense... What is wrong with the analogy? I thought some people believe it to be a farce.

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stereologist
1 minute ago, dirtierdragoon4 said:

The Phenomena Luis is talking about. I mentioned Luis because I'm steering this conversation back on topic respective to the original post.

She actually went back to Chile to try to redeem herself. Poor lady. What a career-ender.

Not harsh enough on Kean, so I do not see anything discrediting.

The overwhelming eyewitness accounts of a "star blocking craft" must of outweighed the astronomer's account of seeing planes in the first light event. Not saying they were not planes, just the "star blocking craft" was an addition to them. Obviously, Kean does not believe wholeheartedly in the most simplest answer usually being the correct one - she is a believer, not a scammer.

Why would one promote themselves as the Chilean Ufo Bug Lady? It is hard enough to have an ounce of credibility in ufology in the first place.

The suspense... What is wrong with the analogy? I thought some people believe it to be a farce.

There is a video of the first Phoenix event. it shows planes. There was no star blocking. Never happened. That was all part of the after the event construction minds make after they connect the dots to form a craft. When this "star blocker" passed in front of the Moon there was no craft to be seen. There was no "star blocker".

Kean has had lots of opportunities to correct mistakes. Kean does not. That makes her a scammer.

Credibility comes from being truthful and Kean is not.

Quantum entanglement is real. It is observable and demonstrable.

 

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1 hour ago, stereologist said:

There is a video of the first Phoenix event. it shows planes...

Kean has had lots of opportunities to correct mistakes. Kean does not. That makes her a scammer.

Credibility comes from being truthful and Kean is not.

Quantum entanglement is real. It is observable and demonstrable.

Maybe planes and maybe the first lights, however other eyewitness accounts express a more sensational occurrence and their accounts could of been false memories that Kean grasped onto. How does she correct a mistake that is not hers? Also, we know the truth about her being misled about Chilean bug videos, again, what is the truth that needs to be acknowledged? That she does not want to add more embarrassment? Her credibility is surely tarnished, but a scammer... nah.

Yes, quantum entanglement is real and so is this Phenomena, says Luis Elizondo; his background verified by the tarnished Leslie Kean.

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ChrLzs
8 hours ago, rashore said:

I decided to take a shot at it... and though I can't say I verified Luis Elizondo from the team, I did find a couple interesting tidbits. These are from before the current UFO thing..

I'm impressed, rashore - you found a couple of things I didn't..

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First is off ICWATCH. It's a listing for William Shultz in the intelligence community, his creds/resume kind of info. He lists working under Luis Elizondo in 2008: https://icwatch.wikileaks.org/docs/rWilliam-Schultzb84b94959654b0d8%3Fsp=0Intelligence&ampSecuritySupervisoryIntelligenceOperationsSpecialistForeignDisclosureOfficerOUSD2008-10-01icwatch_indeed

Unfortunately for the OP, this merely mentions him as a supervisor - and no mention of any topics like those being discussed - for all we know he might have been a gopher.. or filing clerk..

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The second is from a Joseph Hefferons profile, last updated in 2007, listed as Deputy Director of CIFA: https://www.zoominfo.com/p/Joseph-Hefferon/1068137014

This item merely mentions Elizondo as a CIFA employee, again, no clue as to what he did.

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The first article on Joseph's profile is a release from a 2005 affidavit about some CIFA management resignation, and Luis Elizondo is mentioned in it: http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2007/07/the-resignation.html

I wasn't able to live source the 2005 affidavit, all the links I tried were 404.

So, we do have some evidence that a Luis Elizondo worked at CIFA, but none of that is verifiable to ensure that we have the right guy.. (yes, there are definitely more Luis Elizondo's out there - there seem to be at least 3 different individuals with that name).  We certainly do not have any verification of the gradionse claims about him being, for example "Former Director, National Programs Special Mission Staff, Office of the Secretary of Defense".  As far as i can find out, that 'division' of the OSD never existed..... so I guess that means he is a Man In Black! :rolleyes:

I found this, which has a picture of Elizondo (he's on the right) that seems to match very well:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/bs-mtblog-2009-11-never_ship_empty_port_cargo_sh-story.html
yet it talks about shipping and a fund-raising attempt (in 2009) for a new type of ocean cargo system - how the heck that fits in with intelligence work, let alone unidentified aerial threats... well, your guess is as good as mine.

And then there's this link https://www.theparacast.com/forum/threads/who-is-luis-elizondo-re-delonges-tts-aas-money-making-media-empire.18710/ (you may have to copy paste it).  It's at a paranormal forum, where a 'Lue' suddenly appears as a new member after Luis Elizondo's name was raised there in a similar way to what's happened here.  It's not entirely clear that 'Lue' is definitely Luis, but frankly, seeing the avoidance and waffling he posted there, I'd say that's him

 

Just like delonge, it's all about 'yes, just wait and see, it's all amazing stuff', while they continue to try to extract money from the gullible.

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ChrLzs

BTW, it has been noted eslewhere that the acronym for delonge's new organisation is..  TTS / AAS

Think about it.

 

 

"You're being punked", springs to mind..

 

My guess?  This is all going to end really, really badly.  You heard it first, here.

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Oh, and if LESLIE KEAN or a HUFFPOST representative is reading this, please let us know how you verified Luis Elizondo's background.

Given Leslie Kean's previous 'investigative' efforts and 'assurances', like the extra (non-existent) videos at El Bosque, for a trivial example, I think we have a right to ask.

Similarly, Luis Elizondo, I'm sure you'll get to read this - verifying your background would be good, but perhaps more importantly:

WHEN are any of you going to post an evidenced example of ANYTHING? 

 

This bullmanure has been going on for years, and there's only one reason for that.....

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So far, it’s been a very poor attempt at unofficial disclosure. The good news is that there’s an official disclosure in the works, and believe it or not, there was an emergency plan to get it done under Obama if Clinton were to have won the election. This has to do with her expressing in private that she doesn’t want an official disclosure despite what she publically claimed in 2016. Months before the election, Dr. Pandolfi was speaking to Trump on a daily basis, trying to explain to him the situation, and trying to get him to agree to approve of an official disclosure if he does win the White House.When he agreed, Pandolfi decided to manipulate a list of factors that ultimately affect the outcome of the presidential election. This was done through a paranormal method that the Aviary has had access to for many years. From what I’ve learned, abortion is one of the factors, and there are 32 of them in total. 

 

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11 minutes ago, OntarioSquatch said:

So far, it’s been a very poor attempt at unofficial disclosure. The good news is that there’s an official disclosure in the works, and believe it or not, there was an emergency plan to get it done under Obama if Clinton were to have won the election. This has to do with her expressing in private that she doesn’t want an official disclosure despite what she publically claimed in 2016. Months before the election, Dr. Pandolfi was speaking to Trump on a daily basis, trying to explain to him the situation, and trying to get him to agree to approve of an official disclosure if he does win the White House.When he agreed, Pandolfi decided to manipulate a list of factors that ultimately affect the outcome of the presidential election. This was done through a paranormal method that the Aviary has access to for many years. From what I’ve learned, abortion is one of the factors, and there are 32 in total. It’s not clear to me exactly how things will go, but the truth will inevitably have to get out regardless of changes in planning

What kind of 'official disclosure' is in the works? Nothing earth-shattering I assume? No smoking gun?

Probably similar to the JFK files, if anything at all.

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By official disclosure, I mean the government openly and popularly admitting at least the very basic story (i.e. we’re being visited, we didn’t understand it, we see it as a threat, they’re not from outer space ect.)

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