psyche101 Posted January 15, 2018 #2601 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, MauriOra said: KiaOraRa.. And you too. Quote Thankyou..I get it.. You are most welcome Quote Yes I can Relate to what is said here.. Belief systems are not restricted Quote I am very Passionate about my Way of Living and My Being..and I know a lot about the Unknown or the Unseen.. No Tangible Physical Evidence, because it is not necessary, when working with Energy...This realm is true..it exists within and without in this Physical Dimension. I don't have such experiences and do not profess to hold personal knowledge or insights into this area. The sciences are all that have ever shown me no nonsense straight answers and as such I find what we know works better for me than running with things that tend to be more philosophy based. Quote I leave door open for discussion and I think I may have lost it like three times here, One I publically apologised for...here on forum.. Good to hear perhaps we can have a fruitful benign discussion about what we are both aware of and how we find these aspects valid in everyday life? So far offering a science based view has been met by the more religiously orientated with disdain and fear. Quote If we are not willing and open for other experiences, knowledge, outside of our own comfort zones.... That should also apply to the cutting edge of our learnings to I would think? Quote We learn nothing and there is no Growth... ******* I'm all about learning and am only representing the cutting edge of understanding I have had quite a journey through faiths and all left me wanting Quote Peace to you and yours.. xx Mo..xx And to you too. All the best as I would normally say 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sherapy Posted January 15, 2018 #2602 Share Posted January 15, 2018 59 minutes ago, joc said: In the first place...Conversate...is not a word....only in the urban 'slang' dictionary. The word is Conversation...we are not Conversating...we are having a Conversation...or Conversing. But that is beside the point. Exchanging ideas...being respectful. He was exchanging ideas. You just didn't/don't want to hear them...and if someone doesn't agree with your thought process...which is rather difficult to understand in the first place...you are the one that is disrespectful. You seriously need to grow up man! You think Psyche is 'showing off' to his friends...did it ever occur to you that maybe those of us who like and respect him do so because of his intelligent thought process to begin with? Psyche is all that! ...and a bag of chips! The only one who has been rude here is you. Just remember...you can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose...but you can't pick your friends nose. Indeed, that is a good way to describe Psyche he is well educated and versed in debate. I think he is incredibly fair too! He has posting swag. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illyrius Posted January 15, 2018 Author #2603 Share Posted January 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, Sherapy said: I think he is incredibly fair too! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MauriOra Posted January 15, 2018 #2604 Share Posted January 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, psyche101 said: And you too. You are most welcome Belief systems are not restricted I don't have such experiences and do not profess to hold personal knowledge or insights into this area. The sciences are all that have ever shown me no nonsense straight answers and as such I find what we know works better for me than running with things that tend to be more philosophy based. Good to hear perhaps we can have a fruitful benign discussion about what we are both aware of and how we find these aspects valid in everyday life? So far offering a science based view has been met by the more religiously orientated with disdain and fear. That should also apply to the cutting edge of our learnings to I would think? I'm all about learning and am only representing the cutting edge of understanding I have had quite a journey through faiths and all left me wanting And to you too. All the best as I would normally say KiaOraRa Thankyou again.. Depends on the Observers Perspectives which derive from their Environment and Upbringing.. Thankyou for Acknowledging you Do Not Know of such things I speak of .And...I am Happy to know Science and Philosophy work for you...Nice..!! I Hope to too..I am always Learning..So .....yes... Ok... It Does... Thats Awesome..Your Doing a fine job...well done ..!! Great..!!! Thirst of Curiosity and Learning.... I Like..!!!! And to you again .... Peace to you and yours..xx Mo..xx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kismit Posted January 15, 2018 #2605 Share Posted January 15, 2018 15 minutes ago, Sherapy said: Indeed, that is a good way to describe Psyche he is well educated and versed in debate. I think he is incredibly fair too! He has posting swag. A challenge is not always a war. Infact in New Zealand it is a traditional greeting. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sherapy Posted January 15, 2018 #2606 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Kismit said: A challenge is not always a war. Infact in New Zealand it is a traditional greeting. I love this!!! Kismet!!!!!how are you doing. Great to see you posting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MauriOra Posted January 15, 2018 #2607 Share Posted January 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, Kismit said: A challenge is not always a war. Infact in New Zealand it is a traditional greeting. I Bow to You my Friend... These words are Truth... Kia Kaha Kia Manawanui.. Be Strong, and have Courage in Heart.. Respect to You...Kismit... Arohanuikiakoe... *******_ MauriOra... xx 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kismit Posted January 15, 2018 #2608 Share Posted January 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, Sherapy said: I love this!!! Kismet!!!!!how are you doing. Great to see you posting. Very well thank you Sherapy. Lots of time with my Grandbabies, aka tamariki. And lots of work but I check in two or three times a day. There is lot less posting and a lot more reading when you Moderate so I don't participate as much as I would like. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kismit Posted January 15, 2018 #2609 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, MauriOra said: I Bow to You my Friend... These words are Truth... Kia Kaha Kia Manawanui.. Be Strong, and have Courage in Heart.. Respect to You...Kismit... Arohanuikiakoe... *******_ MauriOra... xx Thank you, this is very sweet. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MauriOra Posted January 15, 2018 #2610 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, Kismit said: Thank you, this is very sweet. You Are Most Welcome... I Love knowing you are from these Beautiful Lands... Be Beautiful Always.. Be Strong and Firm like Our Ancient Guardian .... The Totara Tree.... Head up..xx.. Smile..... My Love to You and Yours... MauriOra...xx ***** 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hre2breal Posted January 15, 2018 #2611 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) Hi Kismit,. Awesome Avatar...Love it... Edited January 15, 2018 by Hre2breal 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 15, 2018 #2612 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mr. Argon said: Yea. Just as i thought. With all due respect here that seems to be your biggest bugbear Quote Keep on rocking in a free world More so than you know. I'm a reasonably accomplished guitar player as well I found our when young that showing allegiance to one thing only stops one from experiencing many worthy pursuits while some of my friends drove fast cars and hated surfers, I found both pursuits to be exhilarating and decided I would not shut any doors on myself Its worth trying. Edited January 15, 2018 by psyche101 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MauriOra Posted January 15, 2018 #2613 Share Posted January 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, psyche101 said: . I'm a reasonably accomplished guitar player as well Its worth trying. Lol.. No, You do not seem to me..to be the "Door shutting type" ... And that is Awesome as..!!! I am a Beautiful singer, ManuTiorori, we say in my language... Singing Bird... I would looovve to Play the Guitar..really would..... So.... thanks to your words of.... Its worth trying..!!!. Which means, give it a go.....I'm gonna open up a door......to my world of............... possibilities.... Its definitely worth trying..!!! I Agree... And..Thanks..!!!... Mo..xx 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 15, 2018 #2614 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Hre2breal said: Be honest you say mate Yes I have said that to you but you don't seem to be picking up what I'm putting down 1 hour ago, Hre2breal said: ....your talking a load of crap here..straight up.. Again you make such accusations I have asked you to prove such an example but remain awaiting your reply. As such I do think its just sour grapes on your part 1 hour ago, Hre2breal said: Our first indifference was the poor little mouse dude remember..I said it could be anything on the video...You said ...No it cannot be..That was where things started going south cos I challenged you dude ... You did nit challenge me as it is not my experiment It cannot just be anything and I have no idea why you would say that but I suspect it is just your adversarial nature when something is presented that honestly and openly challenges your belief system. I explained to you this is what we were looking for. As I stated when I posted that video, we have known for some time that memories are stored in neurons. It was not done chance happening that somebody filmed and called a memory, we knew this is what theory told us would happen, so we looked and we found what we were looking for confirming our theories. Like the process that brought us to find the Higgs Bosun. You did not challenge me at all. What you actually did was question the findings of one of the leading teams studying brain chemistry in the cutting edge of discovery. With all due respect, I do not see your disbelief as any sort of challenge to the great minds paving these roads 1 hour ago, Hre2breal said: You were rude an disrespectful by insulting my intelligence an beliefs.. Again you make these accusations. Sorry I don't think I halve Ben rude and apologised in advance already if I was. What I am noticing more here is that I have repeatedly asked you for an example if rudeness but you have not posted one. I do not see how I am to conclude other than you are just mad that we have more knowledge than you realised and took offence to that information soundly resolving the more fanciful aspects of your belief system. 1 hour ago, Hre2breal said: I aint going to carry this on... Lol that's all you have been doing. You are adverse to discussing the subject at hand. Gosh you are a funny poster!!! 1 hour ago, Hre2breal said: I know how I felt an thats all there is to that..say what ever you like psyche... Everyone sees how you feel And I personally find it rather unbecoming If you cannot discuss a subject without resorting to insult as an answer you should not discuss it. Perhaps the religious beliefs section is more your pace rather than religion vs skepticism? 1 hour ago, Hre2breal said: Like I said I dont carry grudges. That is all you have done since I offered a working understanding of how our bodies work and why there is no good reason to believe the superstition of life after death has any merit Its a position of faith. From a scientific standpoint life after death is merely a fairy tale. That's just how things are despite what either you or I think 1 hour ago, Hre2breal said: .Im here for the knowledge an I meant it.. With all due respect you are illustrating the exact opposite of that 1 hour ago, Hre2breal said: This tit for tat crap is immature an Im done... Its a discussion form That's how discussion works. You offer your view, I offer mine, then we place what evidences we can to see which argument has more merit. 1 hour ago, Hre2breal said: Later fella...hope we can be respectful from here on.. I sure hope so. You can believe what you will but as I mentioned earlier I don't work with belief I'm only interested in what facts we can share Beliefs are dime a dozen they don't impress me at all anyone can make up stuff and have people blindly believe. Happens all the time. Proving something can take decades of hard work or longer and can be repeated in demand. That I can respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illyrius Posted January 15, 2018 Author #2615 Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, psyche101 said: Beliefs are dime a dozen they don't impress me at all anyone can make up stuff and have people blindly believe. For example - you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 15, 2018 #2616 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Sherapy said: Indeed, that is a good way to describe Psyche he is well educated and versed in debate. I think he is incredibly fair too! He has posting swag. Thank you again lovely Sheri you truly are a gem I do try to be fair and always honest, otherwise in is just cheating themselves 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MauriOra Posted January 15, 2018 #2617 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr. Argon said: For example - you. Lol.!!! Dude...Funny... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 15, 2018 #2618 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Mr. Argon said: For example - you. You are just lashing out when you have nothing else. I back my claims and you can follow them and learn just like I do If you dare challenge ingrained superstition that is Edited January 15, 2018 by psyche101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illyrius Posted January 15, 2018 Author #2619 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, psyche101 said: I back my claims What claims? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hre2breal Posted January 15, 2018 #2620 Share Posted January 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, psyche101 said: Yes I have said that to you but you don't seem to be picking up what I'm putting down Again you make such accusations I have asked you to prove such an example but remain awaiting your reply. As such I do think its just sour grapes on your part You did nit challenge me as it is not my experiment It cannot just be anything and I have no idea why you would say that but I suspect it is just your adversarial nature when something is presented that honestly and openly challenges your belief system. I explained to you this is what we were looking for. As I stated when I posted that video, we have known for some time that memories are stored in neurons. It was not done chance happening that somebody filmed and called a memory, we knew this is what theory told us would happen, so we looked and we found what we were looking for confirming our theories. Like the process that brought us to find the Higgs Bosun. You did not challenge me at all. What you actually did was question the findings of one of the leading teams studying brain chemistry in the cutting edge of discovery. With all due respect, I do not see your disbelief as any sort of challenge to the great minds paving these roads Again you make these accusations. Sorry I don't think I halve Ben rude and apologised in advance already if I was. What I am noticing more here is that I have repeatedly asked you for an example if rudeness but you have not posted one. I do not see how I am to conclude other than you are just mad that we have more knowledge than you realised and took offence to that information soundly resolving the more fanciful aspects of your belief system. Lol that's all you have been doing. You are adverse to discussing the subject at hand. Gosh you are a funny poster!!! Everyone sees how you feel And I personally find it rather unbecoming If you cannot discuss a subject without resorting to insult as an answer you should not discuss it. Perhaps the religious beliefs section is more your pace rather than religion vs skepticism? That is all you have done since I offered a working understanding of how our bodies work and why there is no good reason to believe the superstition of life after death has any merit Its a position of faith. From a scientific standpoint life after death is merely a fairy tale. That's just how things are despite what either you or I think With all due respect you are illustrating the exact opposite of that Its a discussion form That's how discussion works. You offer your view, I offer mine, then we place what evidences we can to see which argument has more merit. I sure hope so. You can believe what you will but as I mentioned earlier I don't work with belief I'm only interested in what facts we can share Beliefs are dime a dozen they don't impress me at all anyone can make up stuff and have people blindly believe. Happens all the time. Proving something can take decades of hard work or longer and can be repeated in demand. That I can respect. Bro Shut Up with blah blah blah im done ...you are boring man ...move on already.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MauriOra Posted January 15, 2018 #2621 Share Posted January 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, psyche101 said: From a scientific standpoint life after death is merely a fairy tale . That's just how things are despite what either you or I think Ok.. Your words.. From a Scientific Standpoint.. And this is Also Your BELIEF.. your BELIEF from a Scientific Standpoint....Yes.?....No..? You say you have No Beliefs.. Despite what You or Your Scientific Standpoint "Think" .... Life After Death exists because We are Physical And Energy..The Physical Dies or rots, But Energy Never Dies... And yes its Quite Like A Fairy Tale.. Full of Symbolism and Power and Wonder and Magic.... A Doors Open, Your Invited. If you want... If not...kei te pai ehoa.. Peace to you Sir.. ******* Mo..xx 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 15, 2018 #2622 Share Posted January 15, 2018 25 minutes ago, Mr. Argon said: What claims? That science hold the answers to which man has guessed and hope at for thousands of years The hard answers don't come easy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illyrius Posted January 15, 2018 Author #2623 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, psyche101 said: That science hold the answers to which man has guessed and hope at for thousands of years The hard answers don't come easy This is a first reasonable post from you that makes any sense. I agree that science answered alot of questions, and i also agree that hard answers don't come easy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 15, 2018 #2624 Share Posted January 15, 2018 15 minutes ago, MauriOra said: Ok.. Your words.. From a Scientific Standpoint.. And this is Also Your BELIEF.. your BELIEF from a Scientific Standpoint....Yes.?....No..? You say you have No Beliefs.. No I don't have any want or use for belief I was brought up in such an environment and all it did was cause me pain and forced more questions I don't think beliefs are a sound conclusion, I feel belief exist to ptompt us the hard questions and push us to know instead if guess 15 minutes ago, MauriOra said: Despite what You or Your Scientific Standpoint "Think" .... Life After Death exists because We are Physical And Energy..The Physical Dies or rots, But Energy Never Dies... Energy is converted. We can account for the energy we generate and we can account for where it goes. There is simply no need to maintain old superstitions in the face of modern discovery To me belief seems a way of avoiding the hard work that leads to real answrs Sorry to burst your bubble but I can tell you how the energy got into your body and where it will go when you die, and it can be measured and verified. There is no afterlife. 15 minutes ago, MauriOra said: And yes its Quite Like A Fairy Tale.. That is all a belief is. 15 minutes ago, MauriOra said: Full of Symbolism and Power and Wonder and Magic.... A Doors Open, Your Invited. If you want... If not...kei te pai ehoa.. Peace to you Sir.. ******* Mo..xx Same applies to you. The doors that the like of Sean Carroll open take you to places you won't have dreamed of. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 15, 2018 #2625 Share Posted January 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, Mr. Argon said: This is a first reasonable post from you that makes any sense. I agree that science answered alot of questions, and i also agree that hard answers don't come easy. Them why do you take offense to that which the best minds on the planet can tell us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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