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Unbelievable Media Bias

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Bob the welfare profiteer needs to be in prison for MANY crimes that he's not charged with. You would not believe what New Jersey Democrats under the Norcross regime get away with.:huh:

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Independently I was thinking how this Roy Moore thing has gotten way more media attention than seemed warranted.

I think finding a conservative Republican being some kind of a hidden sexual degenerate plays so well to the liberal media that they are feasting on it.

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Mindless Sheeple follow the mainstream media. It is no longer merely news reporting.  It is mass media to influence political arenas, ideas and conjectures to further their cause. The people become biased towards the other party, based on what the mainstream allows them to see, or not see. Case in point, this topic.

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Just now, South Alabam said:

Mindless Sheeple follow the mainstream media. It is no longer merely news reporting.  It is mass media to influence political arenas, ideas and conjectures to further their cause. The people become biased towards the other party, based on what the mainstream allows them to see, or not see. Case in point, this topic.

But what about the alternative media. Do you believe they are more trustworthy? 

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6 minutes ago, FLOMBIE said:

But what about the alternative media. Do you believe they are more trustworthy? 

To a degree. At least you see some of this stuff reported on alt news sites, that mainstream will not cover.

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1 minute ago, South Alabam said:

To a degree. At least you see some of this stuff reported on alt news sites, that mainstream will not cover.

But it always has a spin. Alternative sources are just as agenda driven - and often enough even more. 

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They have no shame, i doubt if there is 0.0001% of true journalists active these days.

 

[edit] to add : as if we are always in war in respect to World War 1 propaganda. Whats worse, even articles about toothpaste may be controlled.

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9 minutes ago, FLOMBIE said:

But it always has a spin. Alternative sources are just as agenda driven - and often enough even more. 

Exactly. That's why I said "to a degree" above. At least they report it. Otherwise we would never hear about it at all.

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3 minutes ago, South Alabam said:

Exactly. That's why I said "to a degree" above. At least they report it. Otherwise we would never hear about it at all.

Well, there are also stories the alternatives do not report on. And then we are back to square one. 

I don't really think there is much of a difference. Keeping an open mind and questioning everything is the best you can do with any source. Pretty much everything is given a spin and is opinionated. . 

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So true Flombie.  And all news sources are financially driven and fed to the consumer as well as fed by the consumer.

90% of the reported news is absolute twaddle actually the percentage rate is likely much higher.

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48 minutes ago, FLOMBIE said:

But it always has a spin. Alternative sources are just as agenda driven - and often enough even more. 

Flombie, the difference is that when you go to an alternative news website they are both clear and proud about their bias.  The other difference is that in this case both of these stories were reported on by the source of this article.  The main reason for reporting this one though was to point out the clearly democratic bias of the large corporate news companies.  Were it not for this article I would never have heard about this story while in the meantime the media has arrested, charged, tried, and sentenced Roy Moore as if he is guilty, which nobody except he and the people from 30 years ago know the truth about.

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Just now, OverSword said:

Flombie, the difference is that when you go to an alternative news website they are both clear and proud about their bias.  The other difference is that in this case both of these stories were reported.  The main reason for reporting this one though was to point out the clearly democratic bias of the large corporate news companies.  Were it not for this article I would never have heard about this story while in the meantime the media has arrested, charged, tried, and sentenced Roy Moore as if he is guilty, which nobody except he and the people from 30 years ago know the truth about.

Nope. You can't just say that. Often enough, it is deliberately obscured, or just hidden behind formulations like "the truth". 

I don't follow American networks regularly, so I don't have an opinion on your example. 

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Here's a bit of media bias that hasn't borne fruit. (30 days and counting) :

October 14, 2017:

"Flynt, best known as the publisher of the pornographic magazine Hustler, outlined numerous reasons he felt President Trump needed to be removed from office, charging him with everything from “compromising domestic and foreign policy with his massive conflicts-of-interest global business empire” to “telling hundreds of bald-faced lies” to “gross nepotism and appointment of unqualified persons to high office. That was why, Flynt wrote, he was seeking information from anyone who could provide a “smoking gun” — perhaps buried in Trump's tax returns or in some other investment records — that would lead to his impeachment."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/10/14/have-dirt-that-could-impeach-trump-larry-flynt-will-pay-you-10-million/?utm_term=.346603fa6cb3

$10,000,000, and no one has stepped forward to claim the prize.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, FLOMBIE said:

Nope. You can't just say that. Often enough, it is deliberately obscured, or just hidden behind formulations like "the truth". 

I don't follow American networks regularly, so I don't have an opinion on your example. 

Well let's just pretend that a republican politician was accused of paying for child prostitutes in the Dominican Republic, I guarantee that would be the biggest headline for weeks regardless of actual facts presented.  The point is that there is and has been for some time in both news and entertainment industries a clear and blatant bias towards the democratic party.  This is why the alternative media exists.  It was born out of the peoples desire to hear both sides of a story rather than the blatant propaganda being force fed to us.  IMO you over in Europe are just as badly abused by your media but for some reason are mainly blind to it.

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Just now, OverSword said:

Well let's just pretend that a republican politician was accused of paying for child prostitutes in the Dominican Republic, I guarantee that would be the biggest headline for weeks regardless of actual facts presented.  The point is that there is and has been for some time in both news and entertainment industries a clear and blatant bias towards the democratic party.  This is why the alternative media exists.  It was born out of the peoples desire to hear both sides of a story rather than the blatant propaganda being force fed to us.  IMO you over in Europe are just as badly abused by your media but for some reason are mainly blind to it.

I'll have dinner, and then I'll give you an anecdote where alternative media omitted a story that didn't fit their agenda. They do the exact same thing. 

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He was indicted 2 years ago and is not currently a sitting member of the Senate. Also, the trial has NOTHING to do with the child prostitution allegations which were proven to have been fabricated.

Roy Moore is currently running for office. So, the need to inform the public of his past transgressions is a necessity.

So, it's not really hypocrisy as much as it is a lack of relevance.

 

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I really don't know know how anyone could possibly still deny that the "reputable" (i.e. the not "lunatic fringe") media is totally and utterly in the service of, and, some would argue :innocent:, most probably in the pay of, the "Democratic" Party.  

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19 minutes ago, FLOMBIE said:

I'll have dinner, and then I'll give you an anecdote where alternative media omitted a story that didn't fit their agenda. They do the exact same thing. 

Not necessary.  As I pointed out alternative media are honest about their affiliations.  That's the important difference between them and the large media companies.  Independent or alternative media is not pretending to be non-biased, large corporate media such as CNN, FOX, SKY, DW, etc.all pretend neutrality and a clinical detachment which is a lie.  A huge lie and dangerous lie.

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Last Presidential campaign the mainstream media reported everything negative they could on Trump, and rarely nothing but positive on Clinton. We here in the U.S, that payed attention saw this. I'm not sure if other countries have access to all the U.S news sources that we do, on demand. Only the alternative sights would portray Hillary in a bad light. Yes, even the alternative sights play politics, and this is a bad precedence. When one political party can control all of what the people see, or hear, any nation is in trouble. That's why I cautiously use alternative news sources, yet trust fully, none.

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8 minutes ago, South Alabam said:

Last Presidential campaign the mainstream media reported everything negative they could on Trump, and rarely nothing but positive on Clinton. We here in the U.S, that payed attention saw this. I'm not sure if other countries have access to all the U.S news sources that we do, on demand. Only the alternative sights would portray Hillary in a bad light. Yes, even the alternative sights play politics, and this is a bad precedence. When one political party can control all of what the people see, or hear, any nation is in trouble. That's why I cautiously use alternative news sources, yet trust fully, none.

I  like this but I  myself tend to worry that the likes of Google and YouTube are creating a self implemented accidental form of personal state run media.

I say "personal state run" because these sites work on showing us stories based on things we have previously viewed. We risk falling down our own self created rabbit holes. And until  these companies change tact I don't see it getting better. In fact I see it getting much worse.

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5 minutes ago, Kismit said:

 like this but I  myself tend to worry that the likes of Google and YouTube are creating a self implemented accidental form of personal state run media.

Google do all they can to promote the official line. And look how Face Book fell over themselves to find some evidence, sorry, "evidence" of "Russian involvement" in something! anything! that may or may not have had any bearing on the 2016 Election.

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47 minutes ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

Google do all they can to promote the official line. And look how Face Book fell over themselves to find some evidence, sorry, "evidence" of "Russian involvement" in something! anything! that may or may not have had any bearing on the 2016 Election.

Perhaps this is why discussion forums which discuss every point of view are important.  And that self responsibility can be practiced by listening to the opposing opinions of others.

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Alternative media are just regular people who start a youtube channel or something. So they are as biased or unbiase as you or me. But at least they are less likely to be in the pocket of the big players, parties, corporations, governments, etc.

Look at the way a person presents a story, talks to a guest, what questions they ask, whether they admit they were wrong on something, etc. You can usually determine who is pushing an angle and who is making a genuine attempt to find the truth.

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