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1 minute ago, XenoFish said:

Now for a moment that you are metaphorical god, you have a part of yourself that's metaphorical the devil. It is this duel antagonism that we often fight against. The yes or no. Do or don't.

No creation w/o duality.

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It is in a way, about finding our own middle path. Like I mentioned earlier, if you have that's great for you. Often it is difficult to put to words. Some people dress them up in a religious fashion. 

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8 minutes ago, Perdurabo said:

No creation w/o duality.

You weren't born dead were you?

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4 minutes ago, Mystic Crusader said:

You weren't born dead were you?

What do you mean by that?

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1 minute ago, Perdurabo said:

What do you mean by that?

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No creation w/o duality.

Life and death is a duality.

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Just now, Mystic Crusader said:

Life and death is a duality.

Your body will die but you are not your body.

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1 hour ago, Perdurabo said:

Your body will die but you are not your body.

What?

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35 minutes ago, Mystic Crusader said:

What?

There is no opposite to life because life is eternal. Just as there is no opposite to consciousness.

God - Infinite Living Mind.

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On 11/25/2017 at 9:16 AM, XenoFish said:

That's also a human created construct. Another illusion we like to cast. It can also be ego driven, especially by the desire for immortality. 

 

In otherwords choice; if there is choice there is duality, struggle, not liberation or enlightenment or understanding. 

The way is to accept what is, not in the sense of submission, but in the sense of seeing the bigger picture, one can crumble or one can find an inner strength. And if you crumble so what get back up once you gather yourself, if you see an oppourtunity to draw on inner strength this brings its own wisdom etc. etc. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, Mystic Crusader said:

What do you think would happen if you put Satan in heaven?

lol he would instigate a rebellion against the authority of god and involve a third of the angels in a protracted war .  (or so the story goes) 

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Just now, Mr Walker said:

lol he would instigate a rebellion against the authority of god and involve a third of the angels in a protracted war .  (or so the story goes) 

 

And that's why Satan is going to spend some time being incarcerated, along with Lucifer and Caligastia, before they're annihilated.

 

 

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12 hours ago, XenoFish said:

Satan doesn't mean what people think it does. It only,means adversary. Then Christianity twisted it to means some 'demonic' entity. The real battle is with our own duality. Not supernatural forces.

I would agree with this, but it was understandable, given ancient humans lack of understanding of human psychology, duality etc.

We know the potential for good and for evil which exists within us and need some explanation for this duality.

It wasn't so much twisting, as the only way to understand human nature at the time. especially when it was believed that human  were creations of god, and thus originally perfect, raising the question  "How did we become imperfect, as we are now"  

Indeed the evil within us was often seen to be demonic in nature, as were many physical and mental illnesses.   

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This is in the works now and you can see their minions squirming with the realization that their devotion to the Declaration of Liberty, the doctrine of unfettered personal license, is being exposed. 

Free will is only free when it is joined to the will of God.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Will Due said:

Free will is only free when it is joined the the will of God.

Free will is not free when it joined with god or a god type mental construct. 

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10 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Free will is not free when it joined with god or a god type mental construct. 

 

Free will without being devoted to the doing of the will of God, is like throwing yourself into a whirlwind. 

False libery is not free will. It's a trap. 

 

 

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19 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Free will is not free when it joined with god or a god type mental construct. 

It is if the joining is done freely, and with informed consent :) If you construct the god concept then it can be nothing BUT your will which does this  and you are then following a construct of your own creation constructed for your own purposes and benefit.

It is a bit trickier buying into the construct of another or others, but as long as you do so with informed consent and  to serve your own needs and purposes then it is free willed.    

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Huh?

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8 hours ago, Sherapy said:

 

In otherwords choice; if there is choice there is duality, struggle, not liberation or enlightenment or understanding. 

The way is to accept what is, not in the sense of submission, but in the sense of seeing the bigger picture, one can crumble or one can find an inner strength. And if you crumble so what get back up once you gather yourself, if you see an oppourtunity to draw on inner strength this brings its own wisdom etc. etc. 

 

 

I agree,

I think duality is about choice, about opposing points of polarity etc, but we only struggle when we judge something to be bad or wrong. If we see every problem or issue that runs against our own wishes, if we see these as a test, to see the bigger picture, a chance to grow, to shine, to express our inner divinity, then we can actually smile and even laugh in the face of adversity.

So it is when we choose to act in a certain way, with a certain perspective and a certain reaction, ie with love, even within this dualistic universe of choice, we are moving towards a letting go and an actual knowledge of God.

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On 26.11.2017 at 9:37 AM, Mr Walker said:

Who says ? This is a nice belief, but it requires magical thinking and  ignoring all we know about physics We DO know how human consciousness evolved and that  it is dependent on a physical host for energy and storage etc.

 


This information is everywhere. God and the gods, the angels create the universe and the different levels of being, and since they have subtle bodies and mind superior to our unphysical and supramental ones, it creates the mind and the physical and we just use the created and mature mind, or on the contrary we lower ourselves to immorality.

The gods descended and endowed beings with reason and earth evolution and we just modified it to our needs. Therefore, all kinds of minds on earth in humans, animals and plants are the manifestation of one divine mind which is called in Hinduism Chit (cosmic universal mind if easier to say)

The Chit at the level of the being of Truth becomes the Supermind, on the mental level - by reason and thought, will, emotional experience, feeling, at the lower levels of the vital and physical being. Chit takes the form of instincts and impulses, habits and repetitive actions of an unconscious force in which there is no superficial self-awareness. Everything is Chit, for everything is Sat( Pure Existence)

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If this is possible it requires an outside presence power source or storage capacity to store and record your thoughts and to replace your brain which does this for us while it is alive .


Since the information is stored in the mind and not the brain after death a person carries away everything accumulated in another world. If a person lost all memory and all abilities after the death of the body then there would be no evolution at all and he would  always start from scratch and did not continue evolution in the human body again. It would also be impossible to remember past lives. In an ordinary person memory is lost as a person receives a new mental body and other bodies but the abilities and inclinations remain. The spiritual life can be remembered about past lives, or if a person quickly reincarnates and does not lose the mental and astral body.

 

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  No there are not, and there is no evidence for any of these. Our mind, again, constructs such concepts and ideas to meet the needs of our mind.


You do not have the necessary knowledge about this therefore your own constructions are substituting for you knowledge. Many people experienced these states and their experiences are in religious literature and books.

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Consciousness simply cannot exist, or indeed come into being, without external support and stimuli.  It evolves and grows, through a combination of external stimuli and internal responses to stimuli slowly teaching it   God, to exist, must also combine a self aware consciousness with a physical form that is both its power source and the method by which it receives data and information and communicates with others.


Well, the cosmic spirit carries within it the consciousness-matter therefore it has the power to exert pressure on evolution, on consciousness, on matter. Electrons and atoms also have automatic consciousness (attraction and repulsion) and are also involved in the evolutionary process of releasing the supermind from matter under the influence of cosmic rational forces, so God and the angels make an external push to evolution. Pure matter does not exist in which there is no consciousness.Consciousness and matter always go together the difference only in the activity and the power of this consciousness over matter. The higher gods possess an immortal body while our body is still mortal because we have not yet mastered the material spirit (body) until the upper spirit is of little value.

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Pure consciousness if it could exist would have no way of learning, or receiving new data, nor of sharing its data with another entity.


Pure consciousness does not need to be trained. It has a mind and feelings which at the next level become the creative force of development for the whole cosmos and the universe. The spiritual consciousness of man also does not need to learn anything; it only needs that a person in evolution open it again and set his own external consciousness to God( for this and there is a whole evolution of species).The mind of a man will eventually be replaced by divine consciousness and the biological body and brain will be replaced by a divine body that will have opportunities for life both on earth and in heaven.

 

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 but the brain provides the energy and storage capacity without which mind CANNOT evolve or exist.


If you damage the brain, then of course the mind can not express themselves normally in a person but this does not mean that a person is completely dependent on the brain. Spiritual people can see with their eyes closed that says that their consciousness does not rely on physical senses. In addition, their consciousness is not in the brain at all but over the physical head in the spiritual body. That is, there are spiritual ears and eyes that are the basis for the appearance of physical eyes and other organs of the body in evolution and if a person opens them to think with the mind or use the brain to process signals, he no longer needs it. Therefore, the physical body and the brain are needed only to transmit information to the consciousness but they are not activators of conscious functions.

(I hope that at least some kind of benefit will be from my explanations)

 

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6 hours ago, Coil said:


This information is everywhere. God and the gods, the angels create the universe and the different levels of being, and since they have subtle bodies and mind superior to our unphysical and supramental ones, it creates the mind and the physical and we just use the created and mature mind, or on the contrary we lower ourselves to immorality.

The gods descended and endowed beings with reason and earth evolution and we just modified it to our needs. Therefore, all kinds of minds on earth in humans, animals and plants are the manifestation of one divine mind which is called in Hinduism Chit (cosmic universal mind if easier to say)

The Chit at the level of the being of Truth becomes the Supermind, on the mental level - by reason and thought, will, emotional experience, feeling, at the lower levels of the vital and physical being. Chit takes the form of instincts and impulses, habits and repetitive actions of an unconscious force in which there is no superficial self-awareness. Everything is Chit, for everything is Sat( Pure Existence)


Since the information is stored in the mind and not the brain after death a person carries away everything accumulated in another world. If a person lost all memory and all abilities after the death of the body then there would be no evolution at all and he would  always start from scratch and did not continue evolution in the human body again. It would also be impossible to remember past lives. In an ordinary person memory is lost as a person receives a new mental body and other bodies but the abilities and inclinations remain. The spiritual life can be remembered about past lives, or if a person quickly reincarnates and does not lose the mental and astral body.

 


You do not have the necessary knowledge about this therefore your own constructions are substituting for you knowledge. Many people experienced these states and their experiences are in religious literature and books.


Well, the cosmic spirit carries within it the consciousness-matter therefore it has the power to exert pressure on evolution, on consciousness, on matter. Electrons and atoms also have automatic consciousness (attraction and repulsion) and are also involved in the evolutionary process of releasing the supermind from matter under the influence of cosmic rational forces, so God and the angels make an external push to evolution. Pure matter does not exist in which there is no consciousness.Consciousness and matter always go together the difference only in the activity and the power of this consciousness over matter. The higher gods possess an immortal body while our body is still mortal because we have not yet mastered the material spirit (body) until the upper spirit is of little value.


Pure consciousness does not need to be trained. It has a mind and feelings which at the next level become the creative force of development for the whole cosmos and the universe. The spiritual consciousness of man also does not need to learn anything; it only needs that a person in evolution open it again and set his own external consciousness to God( for this and there is a whole evolution of species).The mind of a man will eventually be replaced by divine consciousness and the biological body and brain will be replaced by a divine body that will have opportunities for life both on earth and in heaven.

 


If you damage the brain, then of course the mind can not express themselves normally in a person but this does not mean that a person is completely dependent on the brain. Spiritual people can see with their eyes closed that says that their consciousness does not rely on physical senses. In addition, their consciousness is not in the brain at all but over the physical head in the spiritual body. That is, there are spiritual ears and eyes that are the basis for the appearance of physical eyes and other organs of the body in evolution and if a person opens them to think with the mind or use the brain to process signals, he no longer needs it. Therefore, the physical body and the brain are needed only to transmit information to the consciousness but they are not activators of conscious functions.

(I hope that at least some kind of benefit will be from my explanations)

 

I understand your belief. It is an age old one. I can understand how and why a person would construct such a belief.

There are two problems with it. First there is not the slightest shred of evidence that such a thing is physically  possible, and second it goes against everything we do know, and are currently learning, about the nature of human self aware consciousness. Thus, to hold such a belief, one must deliberately put aside science, modern knowledge, and known reality, for a  construct  created to serve a purpose to the mind ie the mind constructs this belief to provide answers it has asked itself and to give itself comfort.   

The mind  (memory consciousness self awareness etc.) IS simply patterns of energy which we learn how to control and direct via language of the mind . So the mind is inseparable from the brain.   Kill the brain, and the consciousness ceases.   Seeing and thinking with your eyes closed simply uses the stored capacity of the mind to recall and create memories and images ( i cant create images in my mind while conscious) Dreaming is another example of this However if your consciousness is put deeply enough into unconsciousness, eg under anaesthetic or through injury,  you wont be conscious of anything at all  The brain and body are required fr the brain and mind to both receive information and to transmit it.  

Don't worry i have both academic and personal experience with the mind and its capabilities. I have connected to the cosmic consciousness, been enlightened  in the classical sense, and  lived in that state of connection and enlightenment for over 50 years. I know what it is like to be one with the universe, and to be connected to it across both space and time i know from  this enlightenment, my true nature, the nature of reality, including life and death and the fact that, for a human being, the material is irrelevant, while the mind, and perception of reality, is all important   The mind is incredibly powerful and wonderful but it is not magical or mystical.  It is a physical energy form,  directed by our own, home grown, self awareness  

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