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Harasser pays off victim with tax payer money

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Michigan Rep. John Conyers, a Democrat and the longest-serving member of the House of Representatives, settled a wrongful dismissal complaint in 2015 with a former employee who alleged she was fired because she would not “succumb to [his] sexual advances.”

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Last week the Washington Post reported that Congress’s Office of Compliance paid out $17 million for 264 settlements with federal employees over 20 years for various violations, including sexual harassment.

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The woman who settled with Conyers launched the complaint with the Office of Compliance in 2014, alleging she was fired for refusing his sexual advances, and ended up facing a daunting process that ended with a confidentiality agreement in exchange for a settlement of more than $27,000. Her settlement, however, came from Conyers’ office budget rather than the designated fund for settlements.

Congress has no human resources department. Instead, congressional employees have 180 days to report a sexual harassment incident to the Office of Compliance, which then leads to a lengthy process that involves counseling and mediation, and requires the signing of a confidentiality agreement before a complaint can go forward.

After this an employee can choose to take the matter to federal district court, but another avenue is available: an administrative hearing, after which a negotiation and settlement may follow.

 

This lack of transparency seems a inappropriate, don't you think?  Should we put up with this?  Can we do anything about it?

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police pays out hundreds of millions for their misconduct from city budget, yet no one asked if we could do anything about.  in no case it is fair, but neither is life.

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9 minutes ago, aztek said:

police pays out hundreds of millions for their misconduct from city budget, yet no one asked if we could do anything about.  in no case it is fair, but neither is life.

regardless, we do not vote for police officers except for sheriff's, we should be made aware of this type of thing among our senators and congressmen.

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Just now, OverSword said:

regardless, we do not vote for police officers except for sheriff's, we should be made aware of this type of thing among our senators and congressmen.

we are, by default.  all politicians are crooks unless proven otherwise. 

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I guess I never thought about congress not having an HR department. 

Perhaps they need one.

 

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Nancy Pelosi preaches all women subjected to sexual harassment and/or abuse should be believed without question, at least that is what she has preached except, apparently, if you are a senior democrat congressman like John Conyers.  Conyers settled his multiple suits with hush money funded by the taxpayers, you and me, and was never required to announce hs transgressions.  Now Nancy is saying he needs to be given a second look as "We don't know who these women are or what their motivations were."  

Folks, Conyers already used a congressional slush fund to pay off these women yet now we should question it?  I look forward to our usual suspect's, including our recently arisen moderator's, defense of this stance that even Chuck U Todd can't believe.

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/nancy-pelosi-accused-congressman-john-conyers-is-an-icon-in-our-country-1103755843514

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To paraphrase, "Oh groan, anti-Liberal tirade #10,233".

This couldn't be addressed under an existing thread?

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FYI:

 

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Actually, he has a good point, or is it alright for a man to be a rake and blame his victims, if he is a "national icon" and consistently votes the liberal agenda? 

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7 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Actually, he has a good point, or is it alright for a man to be a rake and blame his victims, if he is a "national icon" and consistently votes the liberal agenda? 

If he's guilty, doesn't matter the stripe.

If he's innocent, tough it out.

Edit: Hammerclaw I'm surprised that you'd find this a political issue.

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6 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Actually, he has a good point, or is it alright for a man to be a rake and blame his victims, if he is a "national icon" and consistently votes the liberal agenda? 

Nope.  No more than justifying Roy Moore because his vote is needed on the tax bill.  Equal rights and justice for all, special privileges for none.  That's why the statues of justice are blindfolded.  Something for us to aspire to.

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8 minutes ago, Likely Guy said:

If he's guilty, doesn't matter the stripe.

If he's innocent, tough it out.

I agree. Did Roy Moore bribe anyone to keep quiet? Conyers' actions don't seem at all consistent with those of an innocent man and the circle the wagons mentality of his staff speaks volumes. https://www.independentsentinel.com/pelosi-wants-due-process-for-john-conyers-but-not-for-roy-moore/

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3 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

I agree. Did Roy Moore bribe anyone to keep quiet?

Does that make him the more innocent?

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Just now, Likely Guy said:

Since we're editing, does that make him the more innocent?

Not much of a riposte. At a loss for words?

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1 minute ago, Hammerclaw said:

Not much of a riposte. At a loss for words?

How so? Is Moore more innocent because he didn't pay anyone off?

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7 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

agree. Did Roy Moore bribe anyone to keep quiet?

From the reports, he seems to have relied more on intimidation.

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Or, is it because he simply refuses to admit his transgressions?

Edit: Because in the day it was accepted practice?

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I think calling it Pelosi's war on women gives her too much credit.  This issue is not simply political, it stretches across society.

But if we must be political, we could call it the Trump, Franken, Moore, Pelosi, Conyers et. al. war on women.   This is one of the few topics that has had participation from both sides of the aisle.  

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7 minutes ago, Likely Guy said:

How so? Is Moore more innocent because he didn't pay anyone off?

Is Conyers not guilty because he did? The proof of that is unequivocal, the proof of  "intimidation" concerning Moore's alleged transgressions, on the other hand, are hearsay and disputed.

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3 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Is Conyers not guilty because he did? The proof of that is unequivocal, the proof of  "intimidation" concerning Moore's alleged transgressions, on the other hand, are hearsay and disputed.

Didn't say he's not.

Moore's off the hook legally because nothing will be done before the election.

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1 minute ago, Likely Guy said:

Didn't say he's not.

Moore's off the hook legally because nothing will be done before the election.

If there is solid evidence of a crime committed, why would his accusers wait until after the election to present it? No, by opening up this kind of smear campaign, this political attack, this wretched can of worms, the left is finding, much to their chagrin, that they are going to have to wallow in them, too. I fancy the worst is yet to come for them.

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The liberals reaction here is amazing. You want to hang people with no evidence against them, as though it’s the same thing as hanging a man who has straight paid off and silenced his victims. With tax payers money no less. Shame on you people. 

 

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7 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

Is Conyers not guilty because he did? The proof of that is unequivocal, the proof of  "intimidation" concerning Moore's alleged transgressions, on the other hand, are hearsay and disputed.

I agree, the actual issue here is evidence. There has to be something more than just an accusation or we will enter into a realm where a person can be destroyed by someone who simply has a story. This isn't the way the law works nor should it be. Remember, people lie (this includes women) and allowing just a story to stand as enough to destroy another person is inherently flawed.

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I'm seriously concerned about the current trend of being convicted by the media. People of all walks of life are being ruined without a fair trial. That is not how our system is supposed to work. 

Edit: Thank you Lilly. If it was the KKK, destroying peoples lives because of hearsay, everybody would be up in arms over them taking the law into their own hands.

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It's curious how they could take the assault on the dignity of a young woman in stride, when it was their own President.

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