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Dyatlov Pass

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Helen of Annoy
14 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

There were the first two bodies, those of Krivonischenko and Doroshenko, shoeless and dressed only in their underwear. The branches on the tree were broken up to five metres high, suggesting that one of the skiers had climbed up to look for something, perhaps the camp. Between the pine and the camp the searchers found three more corpses: Dyatlov, Kolmogorova and Slobodin, who seemed to have died in poses suggesting that they were attempting to return to the tent.[11] They were found separately at distances of 300, 480 and 630 metres from the tree.

Finding the remaining four travellers took more than two months. They were finally found on 4 May under four metres of snow in a ravine 75 metres further into the woods from the pine tree. Three of those four were better dressed than the others, and there were signs that those who had died first had their clothes relinquished to the others. Dubinina was wearing Krivonishenko's burned, torn trousers and her left foot and shin were wrapped in a torn jacket.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatlov_Pass_incident

 

How is that all figured out?

Easily, if the report is accurate. 

You find the bodies, you see who wears whose clothes, pathologist tells you who died approximately when and pretty exactly why.

There's no real mystery there - if the official report was true to the facts. Few people were hit with great force, enough to break their skull/ribs, inflicting injuries incompatible with life. Others died from hypothermia.

The mystery is what/who was so violent and why.

(I think the ravine excuse is ridiculous, you can't get so crushed falling from 5 metres height, not to mention it's simply idiotic to imply all three of the injured hikers landed on their heads or chest-first from a tree or down a mild slope, breaking no arms or legs.)     

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Earl.Of.Trumps
3 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

(I think the ravine excuse is ridiculous, you can't get so crushed falling from 5 metres height, not to mention it's simply idiotic to imply all three of the injured hikers landed on their heads or chest-first from a tree or down a mild slope, breaking no arms or legs.)     

Ya, it's been beaten to death.  The 5 meters is a bit of a misnomer. let's not forget the 8 feet of snow on the ground. So they fall. top speed 15.5 mph.  Whoopie.

No, they did not get these injuries in a fall.:(

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docyabut2
7 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Easily, if the report is accurate. 

You find the bodies, you see who wears whose clothes, pathologist tells you who died approximately when and pretty exactly why.

There's no real mystery there - if the official report was true to the facts. Few people were hit with great force, enough to break their skull/ribs, inflicting injuries incompatible with life. Others died from hypothermia.

The mystery is what/who was so violent and why.

(I think the ravine excuse is ridiculous, you can't get so crushed falling from 5 metres height, not to mention it's simply idiotic to imply all three of the injured hikers landed on their heads or chest-first from a tree or down a mild slope, breaking no arms or legs.)     

Ok all  ,if  the two groups separated from the two only in their underwear and died ,why did they separate? Was it because they had a big fight in the tent between them that cause more injuries?  That one group fell off that cliff and had more injuries,  and the others going back to the tent had injuries to.

Dyatlov and Vladimirovich going back to the tent , both had bruises in the metacarpophalangeal joints on both hands, which is common in hand-to-hand combat. Dyatlov was missing a tooth. He had bloody lips, while Vladimirovich had blood coming from his nose.

Also a  report of the falling

They fell in the ravine were they were found. As a fall in the ravine would have created injuries; and they were the only three injured. Dr. Vladimir B.  (a member of the original rescue team) has even said,"“The slope of a ravine had a range of heights from 3 up to 5 m (10 ft or 17 ft) in the general area where the skiers were found. It had an incline or angle of approximately 30 to 40 degrees. The opposite slope of the ravine was flat. The width of the ravine was approximately 40 metres or 130 ft.  It is quite possible that the injuries recorded could have been sustained by a “sudden” fall –

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Maureen_jacobs

Perhaps they were marched out of the tent under threat of a firearm.  Perhaps a military installation felt as though they were too close to a secret base, or thought they were spying, so they asked them to march out an orderly fashion.  What happened next is obviously a mystery.  But that explains the careful prints in the snow.

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docyabut2
22 minutes ago, Maureen_jacobs said:

Perhaps they were marched out of the tent under threat of a firearm.  Perhaps a military installation felt as though they were too close to a secret base, or thought they were spying, so they asked them to march out an orderly fashion.  What happened next is obviously a mystery.  But that explains the careful prints in the snow.

Marched out of the tent under threat of a firearm? but why were not  other footprints found, along with their  footprints with them?

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docyabut2
3 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Ya, it's been beaten to death.  The 5 meters is a bit of a misnomer. let's not forget the 8 feet of snow on the ground. So they fall. top speed 15.5 mph.  Whoopie.

No, they did not get these injuries in a fall.:(

Another question, why didn't they stay together to keep that fire camp going on to survive? 

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Earl.Of.Trumps
32 minutes ago, Maureen_jacobs said:

Perhaps they were marched out of the tent under threat of a firearm.

First of all, Maureen, the Dyatlov group was headed for Otortem mountain and they ended up on Dead Mountain. Nobody in the world knew they were there, and it is possible even *they* did not yet realize they were on the wrong mountain. Do you think that the Soviet military had a base up on a mountain...?  No. So how could the military figure out somebody was on "their" mountain and then dispatch a group of Rangers to confront them? Sounds very far fetched.

Also, where are the footprints? where are the ski tracks? The investigators were very specific about the lack of both and the lack of animal tracks, like yeti, as well.

32 minutes ago, Maureen_jacobs said:

Perhaps a military installation felt as though they were too close to a secret base, or thought they were spying, so they asked them to march out an orderly fashion.  What happened next is obviously a mystery.  But that explains the careful prints in the snow.

IMO and that of others, I am sure,  there are just too many strange events that happened that defy being a result of hostile humans, such as, the injuries that occurred to the 4 that went into the ravine. Nobody knows how those injuries happened, despite what my friend, Docyabut2 thinks :-)  Also, the 5 above the ravine that had the public funeral, they had dark skin and white hair and an aged look by the time of the wake. How?  Nobody has ever answered this, either.

Anyway, good posting ,Maureen

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Earl.Of.Trumps
32 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

Another question, why didn't they stay together to keep that fire camp going on to survive? 

Nobody knows, docy.

the investigators believe that they had the fire for one hour to 1.5 hours. By the time the fire got low, they would be gone, of course. Further, investigators believe that all nine headed back toward the tent and about half way... they broke up!  and nobody knows WHY!!  Shortly after that, they were all lying in the snow, all having injuries, and dead or waiting to freeze to death, and nobody knows why that, too!

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Earl.Of.Trumps

Quick note about the four that jumped the cliff into the ravine:

The first five bodies were found rather quickly but the four in the ravine were not found until early May. One of the recovery workers happened to glance down one day, and saw that a shrub or bush had a branch that was cut off by a knife. That is when the workers began to look in the ravine and they soon found the last four hikers.

That means these hikers who went into the ravine had time to think about what was happening - and I am sure they were watching what happened to the three in Dyatlov's group and the two at the camp fire. I am sure they knew they were next and they felt that as one last attempt to get away they would jump the cliff. But then someone obviously worried that the recovery teams would not think to look for them in the ravine, hence someone cut that branch to leave as a  marker.  How sad. They knew they were doomed.

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docyabut2
15 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Quick note about the four that jumped the cliff into the ravine:

The first five bodies were found rather quickly but the four in the ravine were not found until early May. One of the recovery workers happened to glance down one day, and saw that a shrub or bush had a branch that was cut off by a knife. That is when the workers began to look in the ravine and they soon found the last four hikers.

That means these hikers who went into the ravine had time to think about what was happening - and I am sure they were watching what happened to the three in Dyatlov's group and the two at the camp fire. I am sure they knew they were next and they felt that as one last attempt to get away they would jump the cliff. But then someone obviously worried that the recovery teams would not think to look for them in the ravine, hence someone cut that branch to leave as a  marker.  How sad. They knew they were doomed.

I imagine they were running to get back to the tent, dark and no flash light and fell off that cliff .

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Earl.Of.Trumps
12 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

I imagine they were running to get back to the tent, dark and no flash light and fell off that cliff .

Fine, Docy, but the tent is in the opposite direction.

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