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trevor borocz johnson

What will the messiah bring us?

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When it comes to the future messiah there are a lot of people injecting their hopes into what he will be like. If we take the Bible (or other Abrahamic texts) then Jesus is not a loving, forgiving, pro-gay, hippy, dope smoking, liberal. He is going to slaughter 95% of the worlds population and rule over it with an iron fist.

He will be worse than Hitler in terms of destruction, genocide, and empire building. The only people left alive will be those who closely match religious views on morality. If you think the Messiah is inbound then you best get loving your neighbour pretty dam fast!!!

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2 hours ago, trevor borocz johnson said:

Doesn't the bible describe the lamb of revelations as the messiah and as he who conquers and as the white horse of the appocalypse? So can't we expect him to come out with something new that replaces the old to conquer with? do you have any notions about how he will conquer and form a one world religion and or one world government? 

Revelation explains exactly what happens when Jesus comes again.  Jesus died as a lamb but comes back as a lion.  The resurrection of the saved (the only rapture, after tribulation) and the living who are saved are caught up to meet them in the clouds.  The wicked are left to perish in the earth’s upheaval; natural disaster so severe it destroys everything and everyone, leaving the earth barren.  Birds will feast on the flesh.  The City of New Jerusalem comes down from heaven and a new heaven and new earth are created.  After the thousand year reign of Christ (during which the saints judge the wicked), the wicked are resurrected so judgement can be passed.  Satan gathers them up as an army against Jesus and the inhabitants of New Jerusalem, in a last ditch effort, leaving Him no choice but to destroy them all with fire.  This does away with sin and evil permanently.  We live for eternity with Jesus.

The religion you speak of is already in place.

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11 minutes ago, FrethKindheart said:

Revelation explains exactly what happens when Jesus comes again.  Jesus died as a lamb but comes back as a lion.  The resurrection of the saved (the only rapture, after tribulation) and the living who are saved are caught up to meet them in the clouds.  The wicked are left to perish in the earth’s upheaval; natural disaster so severe it destroys everything and everyone, leaving the earth barren.  Birds will feast on the flesh.  The City of New Jerusalem comes down from heaven and a new heaven and new earth are created.  After the thousand year reign of Christ (during which the saints judge the wicked), the wicked are resurrected so judgement can be passed.  Satan gathers them up as an army against Jesus and the inhabitants of New Jerusalem, in a last ditch effort, leaving Him no choice but to destroy them all with fire.  This does away with sin and evil permanently.  We live for eternity with Jesus.

The religion you speak of is already in place.

Look around. Earth is in upheaval. Natural disasters are more and more severe. People and places are being destroyed. There are tribulations every day, and yet no one has been raptured. 

So either everyone is wicked and unworthy of saving, or it's not actually true. 

Maybe it was never about our bodies being saved, and really it was about our spirits being liberated by a message of love. 

 

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1 hour ago, ChaosRose said:

Maybe it was never about our bodies being saved, and really it was about our spirits being liberated by a message of love. 

Or maybe an egotistical conquest...

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6 hours ago, trevor borocz johnson said:

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Doesn't the bible describe the lamb of revelations as the messiah and as he who conquers and as the white horse of the appocalypse?

 

Yes it does. But Jesus was no such messiah. The Jewish concept of the messiah became fixated on this conquering military general who was supposed to subjugate all the people of the world, thereby installing Israel as the ruling nation of all other nations.

It's because of this error, that when the deliverer finally did appear among them, they were blind to his mission of establishing the spiritual rule of God in the hearts of all men, which John prepared them for, before Jesus of Nazareth appeared on the scene.

Also, because they rejected Jesus's spiritual teachings of love and mercy, it carried them over and they sought his death. They knew what he taught, that the enshrinement of a direct relationship between the individual and the Father in heaven would not allow for the continuing control of the people by the priests to their religion of fear and despair. They knew it would be the end of their very profitable enterprise of self-enrichment, and they thought all they had to do was to have him killed.

A terrible blunder.

 

 

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do you have any notions about how he will conquer and form a one world religion and or one world government? 

 

His mission isn't over. On the day of Penticost he sent into the world the Spirit of Truth. This is his personal presence in our hearts, and its by cooperating with this Comforter that he will help us each individually conquer and overcome our tendency to lean towards the sophistry of self-denial and encourage us to our destiny of self-mastery instead.

One world government is up to the people of the world as a group to install. Jesus is more interested in the installment of friendship with God in our souls.

 

Here are some more things:

 

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Many things which happen in the course of a human life are hard to understand, difficult to reconcile with the idea that this is a universe in which truth prevails and in which righteousness triumphs. It so often appears that slander, lies, dishonesty, and unrighteousness—sin—prevail. Does faith, after all, triumph over evil, sin, and iniquity? It does. And the life and death of Jesus are the eternal proof that the truth of goodness and the faith of the spirit-led creature will always be vindicated. They taunted Jesus on the cross, saying, "Let us see if God will come and deliver him." It looked dark on that day of the crucifixion, but it was gloriously bright on the resurrection morning; it was still brighter and more joyous on the day of Pentecost. The religions of pessimistic despair seek to obtain release from the burdens of life; they crave extinction in endless slumber and rest. These are the religions of primitive fear and dread. The religion of Jesus is a new gospel of faith to be proclaimed to struggling humanity. This new religion is founded on faith, hope, and love.

 

On the day of Pentecost the religion of Jesus broke all national restrictions and racial fetters. It is forever true, "Where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." On this day the Spirit of Truth became the personal gift from the Master to every mortal. This spirit was bestowed for the purpose of qualifying believers more effectively to preach the gospel of the kingdom, but they mistook the experience of receiving the outpoured spirit for a part of the new gospel which they were unconsciously formulating.

 

The coming of the Spirit of Truth on Pentecost made possible a religion which is neither radical nor conservative; it is neither the old nor the new; it is to be dominated neither by the old nor the young. The fact of Jesus' earthly life provides a fixed point for the anchor of time, while the bestowal of the Spirit of Truth provides for the everlasting expansion and endless growth of the religion which he lived and the gospel which he proclaimed. The spirit guides into all truth; he is the teacher of an expanding and always-growing religion of endless progress and divine unfolding. This new teacher will be forever unfolding to the truth-seeking believer that which was so divinely folded up in the person and nature of the Son of Man.

 

The bestowal of the Spirit of Truth was independent of all forms, ceremonies, sacred places, and special behavior by those who received the fullness of its manifestation. When the spirit came upon those assembled in the upper chamber, they were simply sitting there, having just been engaged in silent prayer. The spirit was bestowed in the country as well as in the city. It was not necessary for the apostles to go apart to a lonely place for years of solitary meditation in order to receive the spirit. For all time, Pentecost disassociates the idea of spiritual experience from the notion of especially favorable environments.

 

Pentecost was designed to lessen the self-assertiveness of individuals, groups, nations, and races. It is this spirit of self-assertiveness which so increases in tension that it periodically breaks loose in destructive wars. Mankind can be unified only by the spiritual approach, and the Spirit of Truth is a world influence which is universal.

 

The coming of the Spirit of Truth purifies the human heart and leads the recipient to formulate a life purpose single to the will of God and the welfare of men. The material spirit of selfishness has been swallowed up in this new spiritual bestowal of selflessness. Pentecost, then and now, signifies that the Jesus of history has become the divine Son of living experience. The joy of this outpoured spirit, when it is consciously experienced in human life, is a tonic for health, a stimulus for mind, and an unfailing energy for the soul.

 

Then comes the resurrection, with its deliverance from despair and the return of their faith in the Master's divinity. Again and again they see him and talk with him, and he takes them out on Olivet, where he bids them farewell and tells them he is going back to the Father. He has told them to tarry in Jerusalem until they are endowed with power—until the Spirit of Truth shall come. And on the day of Pentecost this new teacher comes, and they go out at once to preach their gospel with new power. They are the bold and courageous followers of a living Lord, not a dead and defeated leader. The Master lives in the hearts of these evangelists; God is not a doctrine in their minds; he has become a living presence in their souls.
 
 
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All quotes from the Urantia Book. 

 

 

 
 

 

 

 

 

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23 hours ago, ChaosRose said:

Look around. Earth is in upheaval. Natural disasters are more and more severe. People and places are being destroyed. There are tribulations every day, and yet no one has been raptured. 

So either everyone is wicked and unworthy of saving, or it's not actually true. 

Maybe it was never about our bodies being saved, and really it was about our spirits being liberated by a message of love. 

 

The rapture doesn’t happen until the second coming.  All of us are to go through tribulation.  I agree, it is already here, but it is supposed to get so bad that it has to be cut short or all of humanity will perish. What we are seeing is birth pains for the much bigger upheaval to come.

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I hope the messiah brings scientific proof of the existence of angels and earth bound spirits. Finally disproving the old idiom of a person living one lifetime and then over for eternity. Infinity seems like a long time to die into and too long to have been born into, does it even make sense that your conscious is a one time off in eternity?

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On 11/24/2017 at 11:19 PM, trevor borocz johnson said:

Will he usher in a new age of understanding? If you could tell the messiah what you want him to do, what would you say?

Leave me alone. I have no need for your guilt ridden, death cult,  philosophy. 

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