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U.S. Dept. of Defense Confirms UFO Research

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harry-reid.html

I have not read all of the very long article, but off-hand, the first video shown obviously shows when the camera moves, so does the "object" in front of it. Seems to me to be some sort of video artifact.

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Erno86

Includes spectacular military jet video footage of a, (released in August), "of a whitish oval object, about the size of a commercial plane, chased by two Navy F/A-18F fighter jets from the aircraft Nimitz off the coast of San Diego in 2004."

Carry on...

Cheers

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" Under Mr. Bigelow’s direction, the company modified buildings in Las Vegas for the storage of metal alloys and other materials that Mr. Elizondo and program contractors said had been recovered from unidentified aerial phenomena. "

Seems to be the "phenomena" is a physical thing and could simply be spy planes. The above statement is too vague.

" A 2009 Pentagon briefing summary of the program prepared by its director at the time asserted that “what was considered science fiction is now science fact,” and that the United States was incapable of defending itself against some of the technologies discovered. Mr. Reid’s request for the special designation was denied." :blink::ph34r::alien::lol:

"For his part, Mr. Reid said he did not know where the objects had come from. “If anyone says they have the answers now, they’re fooling themselves,” he said. “We do not know.” But, he said, “we have to start someplace.”"

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Inversion5

Nothing to see here ... or is there?

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Erno86

"2 Navy airmen and an object that 'accelerated like nothing I've ever seen.' "

quote from one of the Navy airmen: NYT's December 16, 2017

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Erno86

From "Politico" - by Brian Denver - December, 16, 2017

"The Pentagon's Secret Search for UFO's"

"The Pentagon's secret search for U.F.O.'s. The program probed a number of encounters military pilots had with aircraft they believed didn't operate like anything they had seen before."

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/12/16/pentagon-ufo-search-harry-reid-216111

 

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Inversion5
41 minutes ago, Erno86 said:

Includes spectacular military jet video footage of a, (released in August), "of a whitish oval object, about the size of a commercial plane, chased by two Navy F/A-18F fighter jets from the aircraft Nimitz off the coast of San Diego in 2004."

Carry on...

Cheers

The second video after 00:40 shows the object to be a different shape, more elongated and sort of pointy on the left side. This could be an identifying marker of some type.

Edit: However, it is the same video we see here: https://www.metabunk.org/2004-uss-nimitz-tic-tac-ufo-flir-footage.t9190/

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1 minute ago, dirtierdragoon4 said:

The second video after 00:40 shows the object to be a different shape, more elongated and sort of pointy on the left side. This could be an identifying marker of some type.

Awesome...it looks like legitimate military jet footage of a UAP --- and under intelligent operation by a possible foo fighter --- The U.S. Air Force probably has more UAP footage that they still keep secretly under wraps --- Let's hope this will lead to full U.F.O. disclosure by the U.S. government!!!

They threw us a carrot...now I want the whole kit and kaboodle!!!

Cheers...

Erno

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Erno86 said:

...They threw us a carrot...now I want the whole kit and kaboodle!!!....

Somebody better question Trump on camera about this to see what he says. He plays a good off-the-cuff guy, let us see if he starts declassifying secrets left and right (probably without his advisors consent). Maybe a few "little rocket man" comments in between to liven it up a bit. :lol:

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3 minutes ago, dirtierdragoon4 said:

Somebody better question Trump on camera about this to see what he says. He plays a good off-the-cuff guy, let us see if he starts declassifying secrets left and right (probably without his advisors consent). Maybe a few "little rocket man" comments in between to liven it up a bit. :lol:

Excellent suggestion...but I figure that V.P. Pence will remain tight-lipped on the subject at hand and just doo-doo in his pants!!!

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Not Your Huckleberry

More likely just another cover story. What's going on in reality is probably much scarier than aliens. 

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Erno86

"This could well be a pearl here" - comment on the Pentagon's U.F.O. program

quote: James E. Oberg - Former NASA space shuttle engineer and writer of 10 books on space flight and speculator of U.F.O. reports.

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45 minutes ago, Not Your Huckleberry said:

More likely just another cover story. What's going on in reality is probably much scarier than aliens. 

B) All just for the concept of not knowing what you are looking at or seeing something that defies physics. Not to say that monsters are coming to get us. Not to make this a big analysis of the trailer, but we do not actually see anybody dying or dead in this trailer.

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JB2

Love this:

“We’re sort of in the position of what would happen if you gave Leonardo da Vinci a garage-door opener,” ... “First of all, he’d try to figure out what is this plastic stuff. He wouldn’t know anything about the electromagnetic signals involved or its function.”

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Erno86

The military jet footage portrays what looks like a disc of some sort.

Can somebody please cut an paste the vid on this thread?

Thanks...

Erno

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Area201

Skeptics be like (usual)

https://goo.gl/images/LFvS5N

 

 

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Fila

Nice quote at the end of the document.

“If anyone says they have the answers now, they’re fooling themselves,” he said. “We do not know. But, we have to start someplace.”

This is how I see it too. Some groups will claim THAT MUST BE AN ET

The opposing group will say IT MOVED WHEN CAMERA MOVED.., MUST BE FAKE

Both are making guesses based on their own assumptions. What we need is a 3rd group. When 2 people argue.., its generally because they have formed a conclusion.., and they both think they are right. It will take a mediator with an unbiased approach to solve the issue because the 2 won't listen to one another.

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18 minutes ago, Fila said:

...Both are making guesses based on their own assumptions....

I watched it again, and to my surprise It does not move with the camera anymore, the camera moves after it moves. Someone find me an eye doctor :blink: This is just like that meme about the dress being gold and blue at the same time. Anybody else, or is it just me? I may have watched two different videos of the "same thing"...?

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“After a while the consensus was we really couldn’t find anything of substance,” he recalled. “They produced reams of paperwork. After all of that there was really nothing there that we could find. It all pretty much dissolved from that reason alone—and the interest level was losing steam. We only did it a couple years.”

“There was really nothing there that we could justify using taxpayer money,” he added. “We let it die a slow death. It was well spent money in the beginning.” - unnamed former senior official (Politico)

Why was it well spent money in the beginning?... The spokeswoman for the Pentagon also states it was a short lived venture.

Looks like Mr. Elizondo has a disagreement or different perspective from, possibly, Mr. Reid and, definitely, from the building he used to work at on what occurred and may still be occurring. The only logical request here would be to disclose all information about the program, since it "couldn't find anything of substance" or "it was well spent money in the beginning", which is it, aye! It appears they have been backed into a corner and have set parameters around the information that can be requested (documents apparently from 2009 until  2012). Interested to see how this plays out. But it looks like the UFO turtle head is borrowing back into itself.

If Mr. Reid had this program started in secret, the potential is that the secret continued/continues.

Also, if the program produced reams of paperwork and that "we" could not find anything, does not mean there is nothing there. We can use a task specific AI to sift through it if the abundance of material is too much for our brains' processing power. So try again Mr. Unnamed Former Senior Official. Love how the person is saying there is nothing to see but that there could be.

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South Alabam

The program was headed up by Luis Elizondo, a military intelligence officer, who resigned earlier this year. In his resignation letter to Defense Secretary James Mattis, Elizondo questioned

why the Pentagon was not "spending more time and effort on this issue," the Times reported.

Elizondo told the Times that he kept working on the project out of his Pentagon office until his resignation, along with officials from the Navy and the CIA, despite the lack of funding.

The Pentagon told the Times that the program ended in 2012. Its supporters say it is still in existence, but that the Defense Department has stopped funding it

The DOD sure has a broader spectrum of what is seen in the sky and space above, more than a fixed, land based observer due to the access to radar, satellite imaging, aircraft encounters (like this video) and other data.

Maybe the DOD has recognized the threat, and shifted to Defensive solutions, instead of trying to analyze every encounter. Who knows.

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7 hours ago, Erno86 said:

"This could well be a pearl here" - comment on the Pentagon's U.F.O. program

quote: James E. Oberg - Former NASA space shuttle engineer and writer of 10 books on space flight and speculator of U.F.O. reports.

 

when you quote people, do ensure you quote ALL they said....rather than just a line that appeals to YOU!  especially as J. Oberg is one of our members here
 

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James E. Oberg, a former NASA space shuttle engineer and the author of 10 books on spaceflight who often debunks U.F.O. sightings, was also doubtful. “There are plenty of prosaic events and human perceptual traits that can account for these stories,” Mr. Oberg said. “Lots of people are active in the air and don’t want others to know about it. They are happy to lurk unrecognized in the noise, or even to stir it up as camouflage.”

Still, Mr. Oberg said he welcomed research. “There could well be a pearl there,” he said.


 

 

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Inversion5

In regards to the video showing a turning "object" on camera (not the other one that supposedly speeds away):

"This distinct change in turn rate seems consistent with a "reflection" hypothesis, but might just be coincidental." - Mike West (https://www.metabunk.org/nyt-video-of-u-s-navy-jet-encounter-with-unknown-object.t9333/)

Is there a way to protect from lens flare? For the image to stay so centered and synchronized with the jet gives me the impression that it is somehow part of the jet (camera artifact, etc.); but I don't fly or make videos, so...

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