Babs Posted January 13, 2005 #51 Share Posted January 13, 2005 BTW, wun, you aren't too far off. I think the homer article is a good idea in theory.... don't know about practice. I'll have to get back to you on that. I like the idea. It is terrific, threatening OBL with Mecca. That works for me. Now, really nuking Mecca?...ah...I'd have to think pretty soberly about that. So, what do you think? Am I that disgusting after all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babs Posted January 13, 2005 #52 Share Posted January 13, 2005 (edited) Babs Just to say dear, you have managed to confirm all my beliefs about you. (If I was a MOD, I'd ban you from this site for life). 448231[/snapback] I hear this every other week from you, gollum. Talk about a bigoted point of view. I think that's beneath you to try to ban or blackball someone because they don't agree with you or your beliefs. I'm glad I live in America. Edited January 13, 2005 by Babs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babs Posted January 13, 2005 #53 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Religion is OBL favorite target , it's why he chose the WTC. He views commercialism and the allmighty dollar as Americas main religion . It worked for Osama when he wanted rid of the Budhist population in Afgahnistan. It would be a more than appropriate threat , but I don't think we would need to use nukes . And the down side is an attack would provoke alot of people who currently support Bush and the co-alition of the willing . (Pfft there's a term that you don't here much any-more.) And effectively create a much larger problem than the one we allready have . 447896[/snapback] I was thinking this, that is exactly it. OBL struck us in our mecca, so why wouldn't we want to strike back!....or at least threaten to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gollum Posted January 13, 2005 #54 Share Posted January 13, 2005 (edited) Get a passport and go and see the world Babs, instead of looking at it through your Bush tinted glasses. You know you (made a mistake) when you made those comments, so don't try and twist it to make others think your all sweetness and light. Your a racist and a very ill-educated one at that. Gollum I command you to go and wash your mouth out Edited January 13, 2005 by Thistle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted January 13, 2005 Author #55 Share Posted January 13, 2005 I like the idea. It is terrific, threatening OBL with Mecca. That works for me. Now, really nuking Mecca?...ah...I'd have to think pretty soberly about that. 448241[/snapback] I think Babs has a point, although I'm still not saying it's a good idea though. Obviously nuking Mecca would be a mistake, but what about simply threatening to nuke Mecca as way of detering future attacks. Of course the threat may backfire if the media got a hold of it, or our credibility weakened if OBL calls our bluff. But what do you think, is it wrong to threaten Mecca, even if you really wouldn't attack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gollum Posted January 13, 2005 #56 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Ofcourse it's wrong. Here's a very simple example, A guy at your school/work or whereever beats you up......you threaten to kill his whole family. Your just stooping to a lower level than the very terrorists you vow to stop. You get cut up at the intersection and you then decide to go after his disabled sister because you know it will stop him doing it again? Come on people you simply can't threaten an entire nation because of the actions of a minority group, unless that nation is harbouring or aiding that same terrorist group. Even the Chinese did'nt stoop that low when they went into tibet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
<bleeding_heart> Posted January 13, 2005 #57 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Nukes are meant to be a threat full stop, Britain has them, it didnt stop Argentina invading the Falklands, the US had them the Viet Cong. didnt back down and surrender, Iraq didnt bow down becuase of them and so on. Invading Iraq didnt back-up any alleged threat, the US, Britain & Russia have all taken military action against other nations without using them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babs Posted January 13, 2005 #58 Share Posted January 13, 2005 (edited) Get a passport and go and see the world Babs, instead of looking at it through your Bush tinted glasses. You know you (Removed) when you made those comments, so don't try and twist it to make others think your all sweetness and light. Your a racist and a very ill-educated one at that. 448289[/snapback] I'm a well-traveled individual. Been across the pond a few times, that's why I know what I'm talking about. Edited January 13, 2005 by Thistle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gollum Posted January 13, 2005 #59 Share Posted January 13, 2005 (edited) Get a passport and go and see the world Babs, instead of looking at it through your Bush tinted glasses. You know you (removed) when you made those comments, so don't try and twist it to make others think your all sweetness and light. Your a racist and a very ill-educated one at that. 448289[/snapback] I'm a well-traveled individual. Been across the pond a few times, that's why I know what I'm talking about. BTW....the mods told me you can't use foul language even if you star it up, gollum. 448348[/snapback] Yeh, your well traveled Babs, been to England a few years back and think you know the world. As for the foul language...until I'm asked not to, I shall continue to speak to you in that form as it seems to be the only level of respose you understand. Edited January 13, 2005 by Thistle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babs Posted January 13, 2005 #60 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Nukes are meant to be a threat full stop, Britain has them, it didnt stop Argentina invading the Falklands, the US had them the Viet Cong. didnt back down and surrender, Iraq didnt bow down becuase of them and so on. Invading Iraq didnt back-up any alleged threat, the US, Britain & Russia have all taken military action against other nations without using them. 448316[/snapback] Good point...then why is everyone so upset? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gollum Posted January 13, 2005 #61 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Point take T, sorry for getting you involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gollum Posted January 13, 2005 #62 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Nukes are meant to be a threat full stop, Britain has them, it didnt stop Argentina invading the Falklands, the US had them the Viet Cong. didnt back down and surrender, Iraq didnt bow down becuase of them and so on. Invading Iraq didnt back-up any alleged threat, the US, Britain & Russia have all taken military action against other nations without using them. 448316[/snapback] Good point...then why is everyone so upset? 448362[/snapback] Because Mecca has F all to do with Bin laden, jeez, are you that simple minded! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babs Posted January 13, 2005 #63 Share Posted January 13, 2005 gollum....Au contrar...been to europe a couple of times....England, Ireland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden...and more if you'd like to hear, sweetie? And as far as speaking to me in that tone, I can deliver some pretty nasty retorts myself.... But that would be against the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thistle Posted January 13, 2005 #64 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Point take T, sorry for getting you involved. 448363[/snapback] *slaps Gollums wrists* K people keep it civil please or I shall get cross and while I'm here ......PLEASE do NOT quote posts that you object to......it means we have to go round editing more posts than are necessary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gollum Posted January 13, 2005 #65 Share Posted January 13, 2005 (edited) gollum....Au contrar...been to europe a couple of times....England, Ireland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden...and more if you'd like to hear, sweetie? And as far as speaking to me in that tone, I can deliver some pretty nasty retorts myself.... But that would be against the rules. 448376[/snapback] Rules are made to be broken......... I'll give you that Babs, those countries are very beautiful and very diverse when it comes to culture and history. Tell me Babs ever been to the Middle East? No? Then try not to lable places like Mecca as some sort of off-shoot of Al Qaida. Thanks. Edited January 13, 2005 by gollum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
<bleeding_heart> Posted January 13, 2005 #66 Share Posted January 13, 2005 The article is a joke, backedup by nothing, joc pointed out how would they even get the msg to him? US citizens get upset that people would claim they are capable of destroying a place of worship and countless innocents, bringing nothing but drawn out pain and suffering for themselves and what would be their victims. They get even more upset when another US citizen seems to like the idea. No-one in the US government is retarded enough to make a threat like this knowing they had no means of backing it up. The article liked to claim invading a country proves the US would use nukes (despite actuall exp. telling us otherwise) and in doing so backup the alleged threat. Using the same "logic" if someone clipped a man round the ear that proves he will stab a pregnant women a thousand times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babs Posted January 13, 2005 #67 Share Posted January 13, 2005 It's a pretty argument gollum has..."Let's not all get down to their level". Well your country didn't have a 911 gollum. You have no idea!...None whatsoever! If you want to get nasty...pm me...otherwards you are just staging some big act of yours. I imagine for attention. gollum writes: rules are made to be broken Let's see you break them big boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babs Posted January 13, 2005 #68 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Would love to go to Israel and plan to some day. Too dangerous now. Where have you been big shot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thistle Posted January 13, 2005 #69 Share Posted January 13, 2005 *AHEM* Just a quick reminder that getting "nasty" in pm's is also forbidden here .....and Gollum.....Rules are NOT made to be broken (not here anyway ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellar Posted January 13, 2005 #70 Share Posted January 13, 2005 All this is very good in theory but I don't think it's even close to being in the minds of US policy makers. Im not saying it is. Nuking Mecca laugh.gif is not going to stop the terrorists, but will make them gather support! You're right. It would. But bluffing to nuke Mecca is different than actually doing it. I'm not saying its the right thing to do, but simply that its different. It's quite obvious such an attack would unite the muslim world against us, and the few allies we have now would no longer be our allies. It's also safe to assume that the muslim world would unite against us for ever, for how could such an act ever be forgiven? I'm curious to see what would happen if the US *threatened* to nuke Mecca if theres another terrorist attack. Would OBL and his followers risk it? If they did, they'd also loose support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillcrazy Posted January 14, 2005 #71 Share Posted January 14, 2005 (edited) I have stayed out of this argument/topic mainly because the article has no proof or any type of minimal documentation to prove it's rhetoric. Some simple comments. 1 Threatening to Nuke a Holy place is very counter productive regardless of the reasoning. If Muslims even thought that we had made such a threat, the little support we have from the Arab nations would stop in an instant. OBM is not a true follower of the Islamic faith. He condemns westernization of Islamic countries, but uses the same technology he decries to remain free and control what is left of the A/Q network. And Most Muslims know this. 2. Bush and his administration may be many things, Liars, cheats, infidel dogs and snake oil salesmen. But they are not stupid. If Islamic oil Nations such as Saudi Arabia thought that Bush would indeed threaten Mecca, than the Oil embargo of 1976 would look like wide open faucet compared to what these oil exporting nations would do to the U.S. Not to mention that such an action would make terrorist out of all our supporters. 3. Has Joc pointed out, how would Bush communicate this threat to bin Laden? That alone sort of shoots the whole theory into a black whole, unless you think Bush and bin Laden are working together. (BTW Joc, the U.S. nor any other country has ever used a Nuclear weapon against another nation. The U.S. dropped Atomic Bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima) 4. Nuclear weapons have never been a primary threat weapon. The main purpose is a deterrent against nations with similar abilities. If you attack us we will attack you in like manner, mutual destruction. 5. Looking at the source of the "information" I feel that money was the primary factor for the article. How do you keep a person coming back to a pay site, give them some of that juicy smelly cheese.... and the Rats will feast. 6. And final point. Bush, like California has many faults. But he has maintained that his actions are not a affront to Islam and those of the faith. Even he would not want to make this a true Holy War. Final comment before I slither back into the hole from where I came. 9/11 Happened. Get the F over it. If you look at the realities of the event, ONLY three thousand people died. That is only 1/10 the capacity of the WTC. The events of that horrific day do not give the U.S. or any other nation the right to attack and threaten any other country or site. If that were the case, then Jewish folks have every right to attack Germany, Poland, Italy and a few others due to the deaths Of Six Million Jews. Saying the value of Americans lives is greater than the lives of others, cheapens all life. edited the word Hydrogen with atomic, my mistake as I was thinking about dinner and not what I was posting. Thanks to all those who berated er corrected me. Edited January 14, 2005 by stillcrazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathory Posted January 14, 2005 #72 Share Posted January 14, 2005 (BTW Joc, the U.S. nor any other country has ever used a Nuclear weapon against another nation. The U.S. dropped Hydrogen Bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima) didn't they drop atomic bombs? based on nuclear fission? with non-radioactive explosives being used to force fission between the two peices of uranium, Fatman did something different involving an implosion forcing together plutonium (i don't really understand how they did that lol). The first Hydrogen Bomb wasn't detonated until 1952. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babs Posted January 14, 2005 #73 Share Posted January 14, 2005 Be easy for Bin to hear about the threat. Grapevine. You know... all that chatter? GW could just chatter right back. And stillcrazy....tell the relatives of all those victims of 911 to get over it! ...and tell all those relatives of the hordes of people jumping out those windows to get over it! You know I have thought about bombing Mecca when I see all those muslims kneeling in one place. Don't kid yourself a lot of Americans have thought about it. Why do you think it is in print? And, wun, the country is going 'right' now. The country is in the right, conservative sector. Bleeding heart liberals are out of vogue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babs Posted January 14, 2005 #74 Share Posted January 14, 2005 And for people like wun and gollum...I am not against muslims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted January 14, 2005 #75 Share Posted January 14, 2005 You know I have thought about bombing Mecca when I see all those muslims kneeling in one place. And for people like wun and gollum...I am not against muslims. ..now which is it...I'm not sure of it..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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