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Farmer77
2 hours ago, Alaric said:

You might be surprised at how progressive Catholics are these days... I watched “Religulous” and it struck me that the only one that had a sense of humor about his religion was the Catholic.

Catholicism is the strip club party bus compared to the fundies. 

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Alaric
16 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

Catholicism is the strip club party bus compared to the fundies. 

Isn’t it funny how things change? Well, maybe they were just having a different kind of party back then...

 

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Alaric

An interesting discussion about just the things we’ve been talking about between Dave Rubin and Ben Shapiro starts at 45.45 ... they’re discussing an event that Ben did with Sam Harris.

 

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Paranormal Panther
22 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Which has been doctrine, if not practice, for centuries hell was cold, distant from the warmth of God when Dante was writing his Divine Comedy. It was for pure propaganda reasons that we got a burning hell (the reference used to enforce it being the fiery pit for those who defied God in the Last Fight, but it’s clear that only those who fought against God go there). 

Feankly, if Medival people worked out a way to effectively and repeatedly on command freeze people, we’d never have gotten a burning hell.

Hel (correct spelling) is mentioned in Norse mythology. Our word, "hell", comes from that word and other words. Other ancient beliefs (Greek, Jewish, European pagan, etc.) shaped our modern beliefs. It's not mysterious as to why Pan is seen as the devil now.

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Sir Wearer of Hats
19 minutes ago, Paranormal Panther said:

Hel (correct spelling) is mentioned in Norse mythology. Our word, "hell", comes from that word and other words. Other ancient beliefs (Greek, Jewish, European pagan, etc.) shaped our modern beliefs. It's not mysterious as to why Pan is seen as the devil now.

Yes, it’s propaganda.

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Alaric
20 minutes ago, Paranormal Panther said:

Hel (correct spelling) is mentioned in Norse mythology. Our word, "hell", comes from that word and other words. Other ancient beliefs (Greek, Jewish, European pagan, etc.) shaped our modern beliefs. It's not mysterious as to why Pan is seen as the devil now.

Yep, speaking of parties... Pan’s celebrations are a lot more fun than the Christian ones.

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Paranormal Panther
2 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Yes, it’s propaganda.

That's why I don't trust guys like Bob Larson. I had a book by him titled "Kingdom Of The Cults". Back then, I believed what those "experts" said and wrote about other belief systems with little to no regard for the fact that they interpreted those other belief systems through the prisms of their own belief systems, which often led to inaccurate, unfair interpretations of those other belief systems. I now go to original sources.

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Paranormal Panther
4 minutes ago, Alaric said:

Yep, speaking of parties... Pan’s celebrations are a lot more fun than the Christian ones.

It depends on the Christian. I wonder if Hallmark knows about those Pan celebrations. 

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DieChecker
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On 12/30/2017 at 3:02 PM, Alaric said:

And of course the people who are being "repressed" have zero accountability, I would guess. Just pure victims. Has nothing to do with staying in bad environments, dropping out of school, joining gangs, or bad choices in general. (Sigh....)

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O'Neil, who has a PhD in mathematics from Harvard, has done stints in academia, at a hedge fund during the financial crisis and as a data scientist at a startup. It was there -- in conjunction with work she was doing with Occupy Wall Street -- that she become disillusioned by how people were using data.

You know what this resume would tell people in professional circles? Loser.. But for this article it is spun to make her seem like she must know what she is talking about. (another Sigh.....)

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This "creates a dangerous poverty cycle," O'Neil writes. "If you can't get a job because of your credit record, that record will likely get worse, making it even harder to work."

True. But why would those in poverty have to continue to make bad credit choices? I was down in the 500s 15 years ago, and owed 30,000 dollars in debt to credit cards. I worked hard to pay that off, and got my credit score up to almost 800 now. I don't see why others can not do so also. It is just an excuse when they claim they are trapped. Because it is HARD to get out, and easy to just stay there.

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Farmer77
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9 hours ago, DieChecker said:

True. But why would those in poverty have to continue to make bad credit choices?

Too much month at the end of the money. When you live below the poverty line one hiccup, like a kid getting sick or an auto malfunction, can cause massive downstream ramifications. 

I'm not even talking about using credit cards, the majority below the poverty line aren't dependent upon them. I'm talking about things that harm your credit like having to pay your electric bill late because you had to take little johnny to the doctor.  

Then once you start making money that is near or above the poverty line you lose things like healthcare assistance. So now you make just barely enough to survive, but not enough to buy your own insurance and too much to qualify for state insurance. So now when little johnny gets sick the poor are doing things like taking high interest payday or title loans which are predatory in nature and can only reflect negatively on your credit score. 

The cycle of poverty is vicious, especially when you're in an economically impoverished area to begin with. 

 

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Alaric

A very apt take on some of the exact issues were are discussing:

 

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Alaric
On 1/5/2018 at 10:02 PM, Farmer77 said:

Too much month at the end of the money. When you live below the poverty line one hiccup, like a kid getting sick or an auto malfunction, can cause massive downstream ramifications. 

I'm not even talking about using credit cards, the majority below the poverty line aren't dependent upon them. I'm talking about things that harm your credit like having to pay your electric bill late because you had to take little johnny to the doctor.  

Then once you start making money that is near or above the poverty line you lose things like healthcare assistance. So now you make just barely enough to survive, but not enough to buy your own insurance and too much to qualify for state insurance. So now when little johnny gets sick the poor are doing things like taking high interest payday or title loans which are predatory in nature and can only reflect negatively on your credit score. 

The cycle of poverty is vicious, especially when you're in an economically impoverished area to begin with. 

 

The easy answer:

Parents who don’t know how to make a budget and manage their own wants and desires vs the amount available cash they have are in no position to teach these things to their children.

The phenomenon is not isolated to the lower income brackets either... I know plenty of six figure earners who are broker than I am (I don’t make a boatload of money, but have no debt).

You would think public schools would make a point to teach these things, eminently more useful than the Pythagorean Theorem... but probably not good for the consumer economy.

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Alaric

Conversely, those who learn to delay gratification and avoid the pitfalls of a consumer lifestyle are bound to be upwardly mobile and continuously improve their stock in life as time goes on... regardless of what kind of poverty they started out in.

I used to work on the island of Saipan (a US Commonwealth in the Pacific) and knew many Filipinos that made half my salary and yet they still managed to send half of that money home to their family every month. I wasn’t living high on the hog... it’s just that they cut out all sorts of things that you and I just couldn’t bear live without... things like air conditioning and hot water and doing laundry in a machine (as opposed to with your own hands), etc... etc... etc...

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DieChecker
On 1/5/2018 at 9:02 PM, Farmer77 said:

Too much month at the end of the money. When you live below the poverty line one hiccup, like a kid getting sick or an auto malfunction, can cause massive downstream ramifications. 

I'm not even talking about using credit cards, the majority below the poverty line aren't dependent upon them. I'm talking about things that harm your credit like having to pay your electric bill late because you had to take little johnny to the doctor.  

Then once you start making money that is near or above the poverty line you lose things like healthcare assistance. So now you make just barely enough to survive, but not enough to buy your own insurance and too much to qualify for state insurance. So now when little johnny gets sick the poor are doing things like taking high interest payday or title loans which are predatory in nature and can only reflect negatively on your credit score. 

The cycle of poverty is vicious, especially when you're in an economically impoverished area to begin with. 

 

Believe me I've been there... I used to take out $400 payday loans to make the bills, and then had to go to another payday loan place to get money to eat. I eventually got out for under that by simply not spending any money at all. 

You mention the electric bill... That can be minimized by keeping the lights off, and not using the hot water. Go "stinky" for a while each week. But, people just don't want to go there usually. 

I would agree that many make just enough to survive. I have friends who are single parents who get WIC and other government assistance. And I begrudge them not at all in taking it, and in my paying it. However, I know that those same people are always looking for that slightly better job that pays $11 instead of $9. THAT is what I am talking about. People who have given up and just continue to make bad choices, even when better ones are available. Myself... I believe that such is true of a lot of people. They've just given up.

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RoofGardener

I think the DNC may be in for a shock.

I suspect the local Democrat Party organisations are starting to regard the DNC in the same way that so many American voters regarded Hillary Clinton during the presidential elections.

And the outcome could be equally unexpected.

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DieChecker
On 1/18/2018 at 6:19 AM, RoofGardener said:

I think the DNC may be in for a shock.

I suspect the local Democrat Party organisations are starting to regard the DNC in the same way that so many American voters regarded Hillary Clinton during the presidential elections.

And the outcome could be equally unexpected.

I think the whole Left is in a state where they could turn on each other pretty quick. All it would take is a handful of scandals of some kind, and they could self combust.

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RoofGardener
4 hours ago, DieChecker said:

I think the whole Left is in a state where they could turn on each other pretty quick. All it would take is a handful of scandals of some kind, and they could self combust.

I'm not sure I'd go THAT far. However, I suspect that the Democrat supporters at the "root" level - e.g. the local organisers etc - may turn on the National Committee. There are a lot of "normal" people who favour the Democrats, but who do NOT necessarily like the elitist National Committee - or the lunatic fringe espousing  compulsory lesbian dance classes for all children below the age of 6 etcetera etcetera. 

The elitists and lunatics might combust, but the Democratic party will carry on... but possibly under new management . 

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Ellapennella
On 1/3/2018 at 10:22 PM, Alaric said:

You might be surprised at how progressive Catholics are these days... I watched “Religulous” and it struck me that the only one that had a sense of humor about his religion was the Catholic.

The film was made in 2008, and from the priest’s answer, this had already been the updated doctrine for some time even then. As far as past Popes thinking differently, I’m quite sure the opinions of later pontiffs take precedence over earlier ones. If we can’t take the Pope’s word for it, who then is a more final authority on Heaven and Hell than him?

I digress

 

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