UM-Bot Posted December 31, 2017 #1 Share Posted December 31, 2017 The evolutionary biologist talks about learning how to persuade those who disagree with him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted December 31, 2017 #2 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Well he has never persuaded me, and I have letters after my name too. The problem with him is he doesnt and wont question the underlying assumptions in his world view. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted December 31, 2017 #3 Share Posted December 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said: Well he has never persuaded me, and I have letters after my name too. The problem with him is he doesnt and wont question the underlying assumptions in his world view. You haven't persuaded me either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted December 31, 2017 #4 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Dawkies is too argumentative to ever be persuasive, regardless of his claims ... ~ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted December 31, 2017 #5 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Notice that he feels it necessary to persuade those who don't agree with him. Rather than accept that there may be people that don't agree with his views on life, the universe and everything. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khol Posted December 31, 2017 #6 Share Posted December 31, 2017 He's an evolutionary biologist, and approaches his viewpoints from this perspective. His claims and arguements are based on this and can be backed up by real science.. unlike the majority of his opponents.He's just stating facts. Facts people dont find warm and fuzzy enough for them.. this next video there is some colorful language viewer discresion advised! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted December 31, 2017 #7 Share Posted December 31, 2017 I might not agree with everything he says, but I really admire his sarcasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted December 31, 2017 #8 Share Posted December 31, 2017 2 hours ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said: Notice that he feels it necessary to persuade those who don't agree with him. Rather than accept that there may be people that don't agree with his views on life, the universe and everything. I think he sees the horrors that fundamentalism has wrought with all the terrorism and such, and he wants to try and do something about it. He figures if he can be persuasive, maybe he might turn some minds away from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted December 31, 2017 #9 Share Posted December 31, 2017 1 minute ago, ChaosRose said: I think he sees the horrors that fundamentalism has wrought with all the terrorism and such, and he wants to try and do something about it. He figures if he can be persuasive, maybe he might turn some minds away from it. That's the funny thing, he's so hot on criticizing religion for evangelism and wanting to convert people, but that's just what he always does himself. In fact he's more evangelical than anyone outside those pay per view TV channels with those televangelists that Mike Pence probably subscribes to. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted December 31, 2017 #10 Share Posted December 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said: That's the funny thing, he's so hot on criticizing religion for evangelism and wanting to convert people, but that's just what he always does himself. In fact he's more evangelical than anyone outside those pay per view TV channels with those televangelists that Mike Pence probably subscribes to. It's like you just didn't even read what I said at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted December 31, 2017 #11 Share Posted December 31, 2017 14 minutes ago, ChaosRose said: 1 minute ago, ChaosRose said: It's like you just didn't even read what I said at all. Yes I did, you said Quote I think he sees the horrors that fundamentalism has wrought with all the terrorism and such, and he wants to try and do something about it. He figures if he can be persuasive, maybe he might turn some minds away from it. . Look, there it is,there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khol Posted December 31, 2017 #12 Share Posted December 31, 2017 7 minutes ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said: That's the funny thing, he's so hot on criticizing religion for evangelism and wanting to convert people, but that's just what he always does himself. In fact he's more evangelical than anyone outside those pay per view TV channels with those televangelists that Mike Pence probably subscribes to. He can support his arguements. This is where the difference lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted December 31, 2017 #13 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Those love letters are so touching. Lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted December 31, 2017 #14 Share Posted December 31, 2017 The only time he 'wins' an argument in my observation is when he debates against something as dumb as a box of rocks. As for more challenging debaters, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted December 31, 2017 #15 Share Posted December 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, papageorge1 said: The only time he 'wins' an argument in my observation is when he debates against something as dumb as a box of rocks. As for more challenging debaters, no. Oh don't be bitter now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted December 31, 2017 #16 Share Posted December 31, 2017 7 minutes ago, khol said: He can support his arguements. This is where the difference lies. What with? The sheer power of his relentlessly voiced opinions, over and over and over again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted December 31, 2017 #17 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Just now, ChaosRose said: Oh don't be bitter now. I seriously don't get it. Bitter about what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted December 31, 2017 #18 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Just now, Manfred von Dreidecker said: What with? The sheer power of his relentlessly voiced opinions, over and over and over again? That winning accent and his distinguished good looks, of course! He just oozes intellectualism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khol Posted December 31, 2017 #19 Share Posted December 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said: What with? The sheer power of his relentlessly voiced opinions, over and over and over again? Tangible things like fossil records and microscopes.Oh and lets not forget simple logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khol Posted December 31, 2017 #20 Share Posted December 31, 2017 11 minutes ago, papageorge1 said: The only time he 'wins' an argument in my observation is when he debates against something as dumb as a box of rocks. As for more challenging debaters, no. I dont condone the labeling on the video i posted.. " dumb as a bunch of rocks" Everyone has a right to believe what they want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted December 31, 2017 #21 Share Posted December 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, khol said: Tangible things like fossil records and microscopes.Oh and lets not forget simple logic I figured since we're throwing all that out the window since facts don't matter anymore, I'd point out his personal charisma. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted December 31, 2017 #22 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Is it sinister to attempt to persuade a flat Earther otherwise? Just because he's an atheist, that doesn't mean he isn't doing a service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted December 31, 2017 #23 Share Posted December 31, 2017 11 minutes ago, khol said: I dont condone the labeling on the video i posted.. " dumb as a bunch of rocks" Everyone has a right to believe what they want Even if it's dumb. That said, they shouldn't assume that no one will ever come around and tell them so. It would be a disservice not to. I wonder if people believe that God wants them to be stupid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eight bits Posted December 31, 2017 #24 Share Posted December 31, 2017 In all seriousness, while Professor Dawkins is the cat's pyjamas in explaining evolutionary biology, I don't think he is remarkably "persuasive," if by that you mean "somebody who disagrees with him changes their mind as a result of encountering his advocacy." It seems to me those who disagree with him tend to continue disagreeing with him. I suppose it is some accomplishment that those who agree with him usually continue to do so. While I appreciate Manfred's point, I do think it's OK to try to persuade (say) anti-vaccination parents to vaccinate their children. If somebody were serious about changing minds and behavior on science topics, then IMO Tali Sharot offers a more promising example than Richard Dawkins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted December 31, 2017 #25 Share Posted December 31, 2017 6 minutes ago, eight bits said: In all seriousness, while Professor Dawkins is the cat's pyjamas in explaining evolutionary biology, I don't think he is remarkably "persuasive," if by that you mean "somebody who disagrees with him changes their mind as a result of encountering his advocacy." It seems to me those who disagree with him tend to continue disagreeing with him. I suppose it is some accomplishment that those who agree with him usually continue to do so. While I appreciate Manfred's point, I do think it's OK to try to persuade (say) anti-vaccination parents to vaccinate their children. If somebody were serious about changing minds and behavior on science topics, then IMO Tali Sharot offers a more promising example than Richard Dawkins. He probably knows he won't convince the person he's debating. He's going for other people who might listen, and the debate gives him a platform. And he doesn't have to convince people to be atheists. I don't think that's really his goal. He might sow enough doubt so that they don't fall down the fundamentalist/Young Earth Creationist trap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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