UM-Bot Posted January 3, 2018 #1 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Known as the ancient Beringians, this new group split from the founding population 20,000 years ago. http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/314584/new-group-of-ancient-native-americans-found 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted January 3, 2018 #2 Share Posted January 3, 2018 I wonder what kind of idiot theory the LDS schmucks at Brigham Young are gonna cook up for this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightScreams Posted January 3, 2018 #3 Share Posted January 3, 2018 So something besides my invading ancestors wiped out this native tribe? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted January 4, 2018 #4 Share Posted January 4, 2018 This is going to upset a few theories banking on the land route into the America's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the frog Posted January 4, 2018 #5 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Do we need to unrest any corpses we find? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingitsune Posted January 4, 2018 #6 Share Posted January 4, 2018 First, the actual paper:https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25173 With the supplements: As you see in the graph a, the closest modern group are American peoples, so these Ancient Beringians and they share ancestry. This is just as I expected. If my theory is right, this group (or his cousins) is the one who brought Y-DNA haplogroup C and mt-DNA X into North American. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almighty Evan Posted January 4, 2018 #7 Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, Jon the frog said: Do we need to unrest any corpses we find? Important conclusion: "For whatever reason, while other Native American populations moved south as the ice caps thawed, the ancient Beringians chose to remain behind in the north until they eventually died out." The Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act of 1990 pertains to the "rights of Native American lineal descendants, Indian tribes, and Native Hawaiian organizations with respect to the treatment, repatriation, and disposition of Native American human remains, funerary objects, sacred objects, and objects of cultural patrimony, referred to collectively in the statute as cultural items, with which they can show a relationship of lineal descent or cultural affiliation." I suppose "we" (including the copenhageners?) can do whatever we want with the remains, including give them to skeletally-named fraternities to spawn new US Uniparty presidents and Big Media executives, or whatever. Edited January 4, 2018 by Almighty Evan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted January 4, 2018 #8 Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) They came from Siberia. So they're not natives. They're immigrants. Edited January 4, 2018 by Black Monk 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the frog Posted January 4, 2018 #9 Share Posted January 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Almighty Evan said: Important conclusion: "For whatever reason, while other Native American populations moved south as the ice caps thawed, the ancient Beringians chose to remain behind in the north until they eventually died out." The Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act of 1990 pertains to the "rights of Native American lineal descendants, Indian tribes, and Native Hawaiian organizations with respect to the treatment, repatriation, and disposition of Native American human remains, funerary objects, sacred objects, and objects of cultural patrimony, referred to collectively in the statute as cultural items, with which they can show a relationship of lineal descent or cultural affiliation." I suppose "we" (including the copenhageners?) can do whatever we want with the remains, including give them to skeletally-named fraternities to spawn new US Uniparty presidents and Big Media executives, or whatever. So without descendant, ancient Beringians corpse have no right and i can make a toothbrush with their bones ? It's just disgusting to have no respect for the dead... a grave site is a grave site and for me, it have to stay undisturbed. We have so many tools now to look at it without disturbing with it... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkinghorse Posted January 5, 2018 #10 Share Posted January 5, 2018 On 1/4/2018 at 10:53 AM, NightScreams said: So something besides my invading ancestors wiped out this native tribe? maybe the Short Faced Bear and Smilodon had some effect on them as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted January 9, 2018 #11 Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) On 1/5/2018 at 11:34 AM, seanjo said: Having said that, the treatment of Native Americans by Europeans and the US was disgusting. And yet, the disgust works both ways: Quote MASSACRE OF THE MOORES. Of the many cruel massacres committed by the Indians within the bounds of the present Tazewell County that of the Moore family was the most tragic and pathetic. Captain Moore had shown such wonderful fortitude as a frontiersman, and proved himself such a gallant soldier in the Indians Wars and in the Revolution, that his death was a grievous loss to his county and State. Dr. Bickley's acccount of the tragedy is based upon information he received from the immediate descendants .of Captain Moore, and from contem porary written narratives. Therefore it must be an accurate narra tive of the terrible affair, and I will reproduce it in full, as follows : '•'In July, 1786, a party of forty-seven Indians, of the Shawnees tribe, again entered Abb's Valley. Capt. James Moore usually kept five or six loaded guns in his house, which was a strong log building, and hoped, by the assistance of his wife, who was very active in loading a gun, together with Simpson, a man who lived with him, to be able to repel the attack of any small party of Indians. Rely ing on his prowess, he had not sought refuge in a fort, as many of the settlers had; a fact of which the Indians seem to have been aware, from their cutting out the tongues, of his horses and cattle, and partially skinning them. It seems they were afraid to attack him openly, and sought rather to drive him to the fort, that they might sack his house. "On the morning of the attack, Capt. Moore, who had pre viously distinguished himself at Alamance, was at a lick bog, a short distance from his house, salting his horses, of which he had many. William Clark and an Irishman were reaping wheat in front of the house. Mrs. Moore and the family were engaged in the ordinary business of housework. A man, named Simpson, was sick up-stairs. "The two men, who were in the field, at work, saw the Indians coming, in full speed, down the hill, toward Captain Moore's who had ere this discovered them, and started in a run for the house. He was, however, shot through the body, and died immediately. Two of his children, William and Rebecca, who were returning from the spring, were killed about the same time. The Indians had now approached near the house, and were met by two fierce dogs, which fought manfully to protect the family of their master. After a severe contest, the fiercest one was killed, and the other subdued. I shall again use Mr. Brown's narrative, it being quite authentic. "The two men who were reaping, hearing the alarm, and seeing the house surrounded, fled, and alarmed the settlement. At that time, the nearest family was distant six miles. As soon as the alarm was given, Mrs. Moore and Martha Ivins (who was living in the family) barred the door, but this was of no avail. There was no man in the house, at this time except John Simpson, the old English man, already alluded to, and he was in the loft, sick and in bed. There were five or six guns in the house, but having been shot off the evening before, they were then empty. It was intended to have loaded them after breakfast. Martha Ivins took two of them and went up stairs where Simpson was, and handing them to him, told him to shoot. He looked up, but had been shot in the head through a crack, and was then near his end. The Indians then proceeded to cut down the door, which they soon effected. During this time, Martha Ivins went to the far end of the house, lifted up a loose plank, and went under the floor, and requested Polly Moore (then eight years of age) who had the youngest child, called Margaret, in her arms (which was crying), to set the child down, and come under. Polly looked at the child, clasped it to her breast, and determined to share its fate. The Indians, having broken into the house, took Mrs. Moore and children, viz; John, Jane, Polly, and Peggy prisoners, and having taken everything that suited them, they set it and the other buildings on fire, and went away. Martha Ivins remained under the floor a short time, and then came out and hid herself under a log that lay across a branch, not far from the house. The Indians, having tarried a short time, with a view of catching horses, one of them walked across this log, sat down on the end of it, and began to fix his gunlock. Miss Ivins, supposing that she was discovered, and that he was preparing to shoot her, came out and gave herself up. At this he seemed much pleased. They then set out for their towns. Perceiving that John Moore was a boy, weak in body and mind, and unable to travel, they killed him the first day. The babe they took two or three days, but it being fretful, on account of a wound it had received, they dashed its brains out against a tree. They then moved on with haste to their towns. For some time, it was usual to tie, very securely, each of the prisoners at night, and for a warrior to lie beside each of them, with tomahawk in hand, so that in case of pursuit, the prisoners might be speedily dispatched. . * * * "Shortly after they reached the towns, Mrs. Moore and her daughter Jane were put to death, being burned and tortured at the stake. This lasted sometime, during which she manifested the utmost Christian fortitude, and bore it without a murmur, at intervals conversing with her daughter Polly, and Martha Ivins, and expressing great anxiety for the moment to arrive, when her soul should wing its way to the bosom of its Savior. At length an old squaw, .more humane than the rest, dispatched her with a tomahawk. "Polly Moore and Martha Ivins eventually reached home, as described in the narrative of James Moore. "Several incidents, in this narrative, have been left out. When the Indians set fire to the house and started, they took from the stable the fine black horse Yorick. He was a horse of such a vicious nature, that no one could manage him but Simpson. The Indians had not proceeded far when one mounted him, but soon the horse had him on the ground, and was pawing him to death with his feet ; •for this purpose a few strokes were sufficient. Another mounted him and was served in like manner. Perfectly wild with rage, a Very large Indian mounted him, swearing to ride him or kill him; -i few plunges and the Indian was under the feet of the desperate horse, his teeth buried in his flesh, and uttering a scream as if he intended to avenge the death of his master; he had just dispatched the Indian, when another running up, stabbed him, and thus put an end to the conflict. 'Alas ! poor Yorick.' "It is said that Mrs. Moore had her body stuck full of lightwood splinters which were fired, and she was thus tortured three days, before she died. "When Martha Evans and Polly Moore were among the French, they fared much worse than when among the Indians. The French had plenty, but were miserly, and seemed to care little for their wants. The Indians had little, but would divide that little to the last particle. "A song, in commemoration of the Moore captivity, is sung by some of the mountaineers to this day, but as it is devoid of poetical merit I omit its insertion. It may be seen in Howe's History of Virginia." Source: Pendleton's History of Tazewell County and Southwest Virginia https://books.google.com/books?id=KiQSAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Pendleton's+History+of+Tazewell+County&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjpmfepi8rYAhXM5YMKHd9JA6kQ6AEIJzAA#v=onepage&q=Pendleton's History of Tazewell County&f=false Rarely is history ever so cut and dried that the blame can be laid solely at the feet of one side over the other. cormac Edited January 9, 2018 by cormac mac airt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted January 9, 2018 #12 Share Posted January 9, 2018 And yet, the disgust works both ways: Rarely is history ever so cut and dried that the blame can be laid solely at the feet of one side over the other. cormac Yup! The Swedes and Dutch sent us after criminals and colony runners and we would bring back just their heads. Until we learned from Europeans scalps were easier to carry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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