Popular Post Big Jim Posted January 6, 2018 Popular Post #101 Share Posted January 6, 2018 The Draconian laws against marijuana have done far more damage on both a personal and societal level than smoking it could ever do. Smoking a joint may make you high for a few hours while getting caught with it may keep you imprisoned for at least several months. The guy who smokes it without getting caught goes to work the next day, as if nothing had ever happened, while the guy who gets caught is forever changed. He loses his job, perhaps his family and everything he owned. Now we have one more potential homeless person, or one more criminal, on the street. Policies that produce such results are insane. Everyone I've ever known who smokes pot have been responsible, employed adults. They would no more endanger their livelihood by showing up stoned than they would by drinking on the job. Sure, the stereotypical movie pot heads do exist, along with Skid Row winos and prostitutes. But it wasn't pot that made them that way any more than wine or sex made the others what they are. But you don't have to worry about them being your pilot or your surgeon. They weren't going to amount to anything anyway, whether pot is legal or not. In my opinion it should be as legal as beer. At most, no more controlled than wine and liquor. Way back when, the US did a little experiment with outlawing something against the will of the people. It caused ordinary people to become criminals and support criminals. People shot each other over beer. Since it was made legal again all that has stopped. Now people shoot each other over pot. If it appears to be a gateway drug it's only because to buy it you have to deal with the criminals who also peddle the hard stuff. If you could buy your pot at the local convenience store most people would never come in contact with a real drug dealer. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted January 6, 2018 #102 Share Posted January 6, 2018 8 hours ago, Myles said: Do they currently have an affordable test that tells you if a person smoked or digested pot in the last couple hours? I think it should be legal. Tax the heck out of it. Users would still get to buy it cheaper than now. Cost to manufacture pack of 20 joints would be close to the same as with ciggs. But instead of $6 a pck, tax them to the point where it is $20. Still cheaper than buying 20 joints. No being legal does not need to mean employers can tolerate it with employees. For safety reasons, I can understand them still drug testing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted January 6, 2018 #103 Share Posted January 6, 2018 False Positives in Drug Field Testing Kits Why do we fall for false positives even though they’re common? Researchers Expose Police Field Drug Test Kits – They Test Positive to Just About Everything Police field tests for drugs are designed to give false positives when testing vitamins Man spends three months in jail after false positive on police drug test Lying Drug Tests Incriminate Innocent People. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranormal Panther Posted January 7, 2018 #104 Share Posted January 7, 2018 23 hours ago, OverSword said: I'm the same way with pool. After 2 or 2 1/2 beers I shoot like Minnesota Fats. After 3 beers I'm as terrible as I am on none. I'm mediocre at pool. I'm better at darts. I can play well drunk or sober. I was a dart shark in college. I sometimes played for money. I sometimes played against three or four people at the same time. I beat several house champions. I even thought about going pro. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted January 7, 2018 #105 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Pot industry frets, then shrugs off Sessions' new policy Quote "The announcement was largely symbolic," said Patrick Moen, general counsel of Privateer Holdings, a Seattle-based venture capital firm that invests in marijuana businesses. "This kind of stunt will not have a substantial effect on the industry." Moen noted Sessions' action doesn't change federal law, which includes a congressional provision barring authorities from spending federal money to prosecute medical marijuana operations that abide by state laws. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted January 7, 2018 #106 Share Posted January 7, 2018 And that ... good folks ... is how you make a bigg'r bett'r swamp ... ~ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kismit Posted January 7, 2018 #107 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Just to note, while Jeff Sessions appears to want to stop the demon weed, Australia is looking at ways to create a market from exporting the drug. Link. I believe there is money to be made. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysticwerewolf Posted January 7, 2018 #108 Share Posted January 7, 2018 my lady friend seems to enjoy the stuff, I however have never enjoyed the mind bending effects of pot or any other drug I voted for it to be legal just for the tax moneys it would generate I would much prefer it if it ALL vanished without a trace. I won't even use it for the back pain I have been told it reduces ( by a Dr. and my lady friend) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted January 8, 2018 #109 Share Posted January 8, 2018 I just don't think or feel that legalized drugs are a "good" thing for a person, family or society. Drugs either "dumb down" or "speed up" a person in ways which are just not normal, or stable. Speaking from many past years of personal use, (alcohol, pot, meth, cocaine, shrooms, LSD) I comment with at least some experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted January 8, 2018 #110 Share Posted January 8, 2018 14 minutes ago, pallidin said: I just don't think or feel that legalized drugs are a "good" thing for a person, family or society. Drugs either "dumb down" or "speed up" a person in ways which are just not normal, or stable. Speaking from many past years of personal use, (alcohol, pot, meth, cocaine, shrooms, LSD) I comment with at least some experience. I think legalization could be good for a society while not necessarily being good for some individuals. People are going to use drugs whether theyre legal or not , the true question is whether its worth destroying someone's life over a personal choice they made for their body. Hell in the wrong jurisdiction that cocaine you did could have put you in jail for 30+ years. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted January 8, 2018 #111 Share Posted January 8, 2018 I haven't smoked pot for over 20 years. However, if I wanted a joint, I'm fairly confident that I could get one. It'd take a few phone calls is all. The swing in $$ would be huge going from fighting it to taxing it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted January 8, 2018 #112 Share Posted January 8, 2018 My gripe is not responsible drug "use", rather drug abuse. There is a difference, I guess. Abuse is "abnormal use" As opposed to occasional recreational use, abuse is far more intertwined in one's life, and partaking much more frequent. But hey, to each their own. Been there, done that, as they say. No "halo" here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted January 8, 2018 #113 Share Posted January 8, 2018 On 1/5/2018 at 5:04 PM, Farmer77 said: I grew up with secession talk in AK all the time and thought it was just insane. Fast forward to today and to be completely honest if that happens ill have to do some serious soul searching on the issue. That said I think the ruling political pendulum is winding up to take a massive swing to the left over the next couple of years so I don't know if it will ever have to get that far. I don't think so. Yesterday I was watching George Stephanopolous and although very critical about Trumps twitter life seemed near gushing about some of his financial policies. I thought I was in the twilight zone. Maybe he was just playing devils advocate but I don't know. Maybe he likes how much he is going to benefit long term from the new tax plan. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted January 9, 2018 #114 Share Posted January 9, 2018 LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG THIS IS JUST THE PERFECT GUY TO ARGUE AGAINST THE LEGALIZATION OF MARIJUANA!!!!! Quote A white Kansas state lawmaker arguing against the legalization of any use of marijuana suggested that it and other drugs were originally outlawed in part because blacks were "basically users" and "responded worst" to the drugs because of their "character makeup — their genetics and that." Then he goes on to say the reasons marijuana was prohibited in the past Quote "What was the reason they did that?" he asked a crowd of about 60 people, none of whom were black. "One of the reasons why — I hate to say it — is the African Americans, they were basically users and they responded the worst off to those drugs. It's because of their character makeup — their genetics and that. And so basically what we're trying to do, is we're trying to do a complete reverse of the people not remembering what's happened in the past." Link and if you need more articles than that Link to google search 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted January 9, 2018 #115 Share Posted January 9, 2018 he is half right, but if was not about blacks but mexicans, an easy reason to arrest them, before that there was no such word as marijuana, it was called cannabis. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted January 9, 2018 #116 Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) And here is one of the actual reasons they want to keep it illegal. Quote Police in Cartersville, Georgia responded to a call of apparent gunshots on Saturday night, but what they found was a house party with nearly 100 people celebrating a 21st birthday. When police arrived at the scene, something led them to believe there were drugs on the property. They reportedly entered the house without the permission of the partygoers, and after less than one ounce of marijuana was discovered by officers, 63 attendees were arrested and sent to jail because no claimed the drugs as theirs. Link Edited January 9, 2018 by OverSword 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted January 10, 2018 #117 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Responsible use.... party at home full of your friends. Irresponsible abuse... pilot a plane full of your friends while "under the influence" In your castle, do as you will (somewhat) In public, affecting public, NOT. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarocal Posted January 14, 2018 #118 Share Posted January 14, 2018 On 1/5/2018 at 5:15 AM, pallidin said: The health and functioning of citizens must be the priority, not appeasing drug-use activists. The curbing of federal overreach should be the priority. Citizen's will find a way to be unhealthy or unable to function no matter the regulatory framework imposed by the federal government. Prohibition of Alcohol clearly made that point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorg Posted January 14, 2018 #119 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Look at Willie Nelson and how long he has been smoking pot. Does he look like he is a brain dead dolt, or just a normal guy who smokes pot? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranormal Panther Posted January 15, 2018 #120 Share Posted January 15, 2018 On 1/9/2018 at 1:35 PM, OverSword said: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG THIS IS JUST THE PERFECT GUY TO ARGUE AGAINST THE LEGALIZATION OF MARIJUANA!!!!! Then he goes on to say the reasons marijuana was prohibited in the past Link and if you need more articles than that Link to google search That's in keeping with the historical underpinnings of the prohibition of marijuana, the big "jazz drug". Black citizens and Mexican individuals were seen as the primary pot heads. That Kansas politician sounds like a vestige of those unenlightened "Reefer Madness" days. He should be more concerned with what pain pills do to his constituents. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted January 15, 2018 #121 Share Posted January 15, 2018 On 1/5/2018 at 1:35 PM, OverSword said: And what makes you believe that? What government funded programs do that for alcohol or other legal drugs? The healthcare system is now controlled by the government. Those costs WILL be accrued by that system, therefore the government (US, WE) will have to fund it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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