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Why do people believe the bible?

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Hammerclaw
2 minutes ago, Mr Walker said:

Oh yea i have LOTS of faults, but lets not talk about them . :) 

Of course i have faults. The y begin with certain family traits like argumentativeness.  I have tried to identify and modify them but without total success 

I am not ambitious in a material way and was very lucky to meet and marry a girl who actually endorsed that characteristic .

I dont socialise really well or widely ( largely because I do not drink)  and again was lucky to meet a girl who is similar. 

I dont take pride in my appearance or that of my car but here i am lucky to have a wife who insists i brush my hair when leaving the house and wash the car every month or so :) (which i pay a young lad to do )  

 

You remind me of Bob Crumb's Mr. Natural, complete with an entourage of Flakey Foonts!

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Mr Walker
9 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

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Love Mr Natural (it s one of the few memes i would actually recognise, having encountered it back in the 60s)  Crumb was a genius, and typical of the counter culture movement  of the time  I guess the reference here is, "Keep on trucking" :)  

I'd forgotten, but his work was one of the inspirations for my own brief foray into comic art. ( Not published but shared with friends and family)   posted this before your second post on the cartoon.  in older age i have matured and now model my behaviour on tha t of Calvin from "Calvin and Hobbes. " :) 

ps never had a beard as good as his, but  I did  once have an afro about  18 inches across and a beard about   8 inches long. 

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Sherapy
1 hour ago, Mr Walker said:

No While i am NOT bullied or harassed, there is a clear intent by some to attempt this.

it is this attempt which is wrong, and against the rules, whether it is successful or not 

Bullying behaviour is bullying behaviour, whether it is successful or not. 

Not meaningless But yes i have a lot to teach of value.

  However it is up to others to listen or accept those teachings

You find this narcissistic ? It was my life's work  :) 

MAny humans live lives which are not as empowered.as fulfilled, as happy,  or even as content, as the y could be.

If i can offer help or advice, then i have a duty to do so. 

Not to impose, but to offer advice.  

I don’t observe an intent to bully or harass you, I think you are met with varying degrees of boundaries on your advice offering and don’t like it. 

Not to say there has never been a bonafide bully on here, but just not towards you. 

I think for those that you are imparting something to you know who they are and who they aren’t . Peers are wonderful they inspire or humble us.

I think your outlook is bleak in regards,  to humanity. I think this mindset serves a purpose on a personal level, what that is is for you to work out or not. 

 I on the other hand observe that many live lives of empowerment, inspiration and great joy, while at times challenged by life’s ups and downs most become better for them, this includes you. 

I agree if you are sought out for advice or help and feel you are the right fit, I think it is wonderful that you see it as your duty. 

For me, in my life when I am blessed with these moments I am honored and humbled. 

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Sherapy
1 hour ago, Hammerclaw said:

You remind me of Bob Crumb's Mr. Natural, complete with an entourage of Flakey Foonts!

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"Herb Caen once said that Mr. Natural is a strange character who is extremely perverse in his personal life and strikes a note in the heart of every man," he said. "I think people can relate to this sort of safe insanity that the character goes through because we all get pushed to the edge of our patience and mental limits in life, and to be able to crack up at somebody else going nuts in a comic rather than us going nuts is a good thing."
 
 
 
In otherwords, given the right circumstances we could all have a bit of oddness in us. If we look a the influence of certain posters, not just Walker, but the ones that have created havoc along the way, htere might be something to what Herb Caen points out. 
 
A toast to the MW’s of the planet. 
 
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Hammerclaw
18 minutes ago, Sherapy said:
 
"Herb Caen once said that Mr. Natural is a strange character who is extremely perverse in his personal life and strikes a note in the heart of every man," he said. "I think people can relate to this sort of safe insanity that the character goes through because we all get pushed to the edge of our patience and mental limits in life, and to be able to crack up at somebody else going nuts in a comic rather than us going nuts is a good thing."
 
 
 
In otherwords, given the right circumstances we could all have a bit of oddness in us. If we look a the influence of certain posters, not just Walker, but the ones that have created havoc along the way, htere might be something to what Herb Caen points out. 
 
A toast to the MW’s of the planet. 
 

We are all eccentric, in the sense that our life experiences diverge, at least as much as they coincide. I consider myself quite eccentric, even born that way, if you will. Eccentrics always dance best to the beat of a different drum, often are loners or leaders and rarely are followers. 

Me in my twenties.

 

 


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Habitat
1 hour ago, Sherapy said:

A toast to the MW’s of the planet. 

:o Did the earth's magnetic poles reverse today, or something ?

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Stubbly_Dooright
10 hours ago, Will Due said:
11 hours ago, Stubbly_Dooright said:

how can you explain it to others, that it really is God that tells you this? 

 

I don't have to explain it to others. 

Others have to explain it to themselves (when the universe speaks to them within) why they either ignore, or recognize what they're experiencing

I  find your answer as very vague. And on the other hand, I don’t think you actually answered my question. And I believe, yes you do have to explain it if you going to make simple vague statements.

 What evidence do you have that others know what’s going on to be able to explain it to them selves? What are the characteristics of the universe speaking to someone?  If you know this is what is going on, then you now how to point it out. 

 

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danydandan
7 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

Just to add (too much time had elapsed to alter my original reply)

 

In  great britain

according to a 2006 Mori poll, 39 per cent of people believe in either creationism or intelligent design – and more than 40 per cent believe they should be taught in schools.

In the usa

Our 39 per cent of people being adherents to creationism may sound high, but it is considerably lower than the United States, where surveys say that 66 per cent of people believed that the world was less than 10,000 years old – and even 16 per cent of biology teachers are creationists. 

very difficult for a democratic govt to directly oppose the fundamental values and beliefs of its citizens.

 

I agree with your assessment, not your figures. I doubt that 40% of people expect creationism and/or ID to be taught in school in the UK. Unless that poll was conducted entirely in Northern Ireland.

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danydandan
6 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

As i said, you  interpret through YOUR prejudices not mine.

  Why is any of my life ostentatious?

to me it is perfectly normal  even my own family members live more ostentatious lives than me.

At least i dont take a month to go and live in a villa in Tuscany  so i can take part in a truffle festival; or do a cycling and barge trip along the Rhine :) 

I dont walk across Australia, alone with a push cart, as my cousin did n her fifties, or enter the miss south Australia contest as another cousin did .

  I didnt get perfect scores in my final high school year, and do a doctorate in biological/ nuclear physics, or a double law and environment degree like my nephews and nieces.  I didn't win a citizen of the year award like my mother, and I am not a multi millionaire like my brothers and sisters.

If you dont believe, then you will NEVER understand me, and if you  don't understand me, you will NEVER "get" my thoughts, values,  priorities etc

Thus, no post i ever write will be acceptable to you.  That is YOUR loss not mine. You will never learn anything from me.  


 I cry foul because they are not lies or delusions.

They are all true .

Unless you can prove them false, you have no right simply state, as a factual statement, that i am lying or delusional (although you can offer it as your opinion, and i would find tha t understandable) 

You're not here to teach MrWalker. 

You design your posts to impress thus you are ostentatious and pretentious. 

Good luck.

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danydandan
7 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

How do you know i am a liar (Actually you cannot know this, because i am not, but rhetorically, how can you KNOW that any thing i have claimed is untrue. Just because they are outside your own experiences does not make them untrue  

No where in my post did I call you liar. 

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danydandan
6 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

That is because fact has two separate  defintions  A fact as a statement capable of being proven true or false is a t least 400 years old.

Thus we have false statements of fact  and false facts. To teach that a fact is always correct would be an error.  In all my education and teaching in Australia (spanning over 60 years)  I never encountered the idea that a fact had to always be true.  i was taught, and i taught, that  a fact unlike an opinion or belief was capable of being proven true or false.  

Not according to the people who write the definitions for Oxford.

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danydandan
6 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

Indeed, I despise manipulative sociopathic types, who enjoy baiting, trolling, and  manipulating others. They are evil, and can do a lot of harm to those with low self esteem or lack of certainty of self.   

You mean like habitat does often? I've never seen you address this issue with him.

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Habitat
4 minutes ago, danydandan said:

You mean like habitat does often? I've never seen you address this issue with him.

How about that, I knew there was a reason my ears were burning ! Call it a sixth sense.

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danydandan
1 minute ago, Habitat said:

How about that, I knew there was a reason my ears were burning ! Call it a sixth sense.

You do it often.

Not the sixth sense stuff, the flamebaiting is what you do. 

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Habitat
1 minute ago, danydandan said:

You do it often.

Not the sixth sense stuff, the flamebaiting is what you do. 

On recent form, I'm not sure your judgement of such matters is that accurate. I do get a little peeved by people who accuse me of being a liar, so that probably explains some of the more robust responses. I must be like eight bits, he just hates that business of being called a liar !

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danydandan
Just now, Habitat said:

On recent form, I'm not sure your judgement of such matters is that accurate. I do get a little peeved by people who accuse me of being a liar, so that probably explains some of the more robust responses. I must be like eight bits, he just hates that business of being called a liar !

Eh you don't think stereotyping people is flamebaiting? 

Why would you get peeved at people you don't know, nor can have any impact on your life? Who is accusing you of being a liar?

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Habitat
3 minutes ago, danydandan said:

Who is accusing you of being a liar?

Quite a few, but hey, not that it matters that much, like I say, a little peeved.

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danydandan
56 minutes ago, Habitat said:

Quite a few, but hey, not that it matters that much, like I say, a little peeved.

The only thing I see is people asking others for substantial evidence for their claims of supernatural. In your case anyways. 

Is disagreeing with your conclusions regarding your experiences considered accusations of lying to you? Because it isn't.

Are you not going to answer the stereotyping question? Do you consider stereotyping people into a team because they disagree with your opinion flamebaiting?

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eight bits
8 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

Yup i mean in that way  It becomes a new "religion" when it rejects the basic precepts and tenets of the old one.

OK, and I think that's what Paul did. He announces a "new covenant" with a role for Gentiles; the "old covenant" having run its course, in his view, with the climactic sacrifice of Jesus. Which left the Gentiles to work out the details of how they would deal with adherents of the old covenant (the context in which such things as a sabbath observance had been commanded) and with their partners in the new covenant who remained "culturally Jewish" (Paul doesn't give details, but remarks that Peter-Cephas doesn't live according to the Law. At the same time, except for Paul and his co-workers, nobody in the Jewish sect seems in any rush to recruit goyim.)

Paul's gospel is a very dramatic and sudden "rejection" of his cradle religion (and for their part, the Gentiles were called upon to break sharply from their cradle religion, too). The actual divorce, though, seems much more gradual. As some of your material documented, there were "Judaizers" within the Christian movement as late as the Fourth Century (even now, the Eastern Orthodox think that the Roman Catholic eucharist, which uses unleavened bread, aka "crackers." is unseemly and altogether too "Jewish." The Orthodox altar bread looks like a bundt cake sometimes. :) )

8 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

Arguably, protestant Christianity is quite a different religion to Catholic Christianity

It's a spectrum, isn't it? In an earlier post, you were a bit tetchy about the Protestant credentials of the Anglican Communion (the largest Protestant denomination, if its Protestantism is acknowledged), because of how "Catholic" they seem to you. Parts of the Lutheran movement must look about the same way to you, although I suspect even you'd concede that Luther was a bona fide Protestant, lol. But there are plenty of other denominations, one or another as different from Catholicism as anybody could possibly wish, in whatever way you could possibly imagine

8 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

 Which way is the most  constructive for the most people, and which way is the closest to the principles of the founders of the religion? 

Catholicism has moved far away from  the founding principles and Christ's teachings and while it has offered a great deal of hope and comfort to millions, it has also led Christianity into a destructive and less loving path.  Modern peole turn away from a god or religion that preaches eternal  hell fire and damnation  from the time you die,  which is also contrary to the writings of the bible.  

.Like the Lord, Mr Walker giveth and Mr Walker taketh away. Hell fire, etc., isn't contrary to the writings of the Bible, it's one interpretation of the writings among many others.

I am inclined to agree that "Catholicism has moved far away from  the founding principles and Christ's teachings" in the sense that that would be just about inevitable 1500 years or so from its own emergence as an autonomous entity and almost 2000 years after the time of Pilate in Judea.

However, God only knows what the "founding principles" actually were; we have glimpses from Paul of how he ran things, but the same source tells us that other Christians did things differently from Paul. And "Christ's teachings?" Paul didn't think those were worth the bandwidth to discuss much. We the living simply don't know what they were, or even if there were any distinctive ones. Paul does tell us that Jesus was a minister or servant to the Jews (Romans 15:8-9), but he doesn't elaborate.

It isn't obvious that "fidelity to the founders" is retaining their teachings as originally taught. Maybe fidelity consists in developing their ideas further. Fidelity to Newton does. How would I know fidelity to Jesus or Paul would be any different?

 

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Habitat
7 minutes ago, danydandan said:

The only thing I see is people asking others for sustainable evidence for their claims of supernatural. In your case anyways. 

Is disagreeing with your conclusions regarding your experiences considered accusations of lying to you? Because it isn't.

Are you not going to answer the stereotyping question? Do you consider stereotyping people into a team because they disagree with your opinion flamebaiting?

You are not following the bouncing ball, if that is what you think.

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danydandan
3 minutes ago, Habitat said:

You are not following the bouncing ball, if that is what you think.

Can't answer either simple question no? Thought so. 

Are we done here?

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Habitat
Just now, danydandan said:

Can't answer either simple question no? Thought so. 

Are done here?

This is the same sort of combative nonsense you were carrying on about non-existent bragging a day or two ago. Step back and relax.

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Hammerclaw

One very important thing I've learn in my time here(admittedly, a difficult, sometimes painful lesson) is how to not take myself or criticism from others too seriously. It's important to learn how to see oneself through the eyes of others, hear what one says through their ears(artistic license, since it's all text) and, basically, laugh at oneself.  When one laughs too, they're not laughing at you anymore, they're laughing with you. 

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Rlyeh
14 hours ago, danydandan said:

Oliver, Jack or Noah or Charlotte, Ava or Harper. 

 

Not quite.

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danydandan
1 minute ago, Rlyeh said:

Not quite.

Close?

I was covering all bases. 

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