toast Posted January 20, 2018 #201 Share Posted January 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Erno86 said: I've personally observed (1976} the massive shields that these alien starships possess, and I've been trying to figure out how they tic ever since. Ok, now we believe you. Thanks for sharing the eye-opener on our rudimentary physics. Its amazing, pls go ahead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorg Posted January 20, 2018 #202 Share Posted January 20, 2018 I believe the best answer to traversing the universe would be to use space and time travel as proposed by Stephen Hawking. Once you have that technology, of course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted January 20, 2018 #203 Share Posted January 20, 2018 22 minutes ago, Erno86 said: --- if you had constant acceleration from an energy source, as the energy requirement would be infinite....what can possibly power it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted January 20, 2018 #204 Share Posted January 20, 2018 11 minutes ago, seeder said: as the energy requirement would be infinite....what can possibly power it? An infinite improbability drive? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fila Posted January 20, 2018 Author #205 Share Posted January 20, 2018 I like turtles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erno86 Posted January 21, 2018 #206 Share Posted January 21, 2018 18 hours ago, seeder said: as the energy requirement would be infinite....what can possibly power it? A micro-mini black hole photon drive propulsion unit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted January 21, 2018 #207 Share Posted January 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Erno86 said: A micro-mini black hole photon drive propulsion unit. I have one of those ... i wear them all the time ... ~ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted January 21, 2018 #208 Share Posted January 21, 2018 29 minutes ago, third_eye said: I have one of those ... i wear them all the time ... ~ Didn't we try to sell them once? i recall we were paasing them off as 'thoings'. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted January 21, 2018 #209 Share Posted January 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, freetoroam said: Didn't we try to sell them once? i recall we were paasing them off as 'thoings'. You are absolutely correct ... its from the old catalogue ... micro minis are so passe ... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erno86 Posted January 21, 2018 #210 Share Posted January 21, 2018 23 hours ago, stereologist said: Admittedly I did not list all possibilities. I listed just 2 alternatives. One of the questions has always been whether or not it is possible to change the distance between objects. If there is a speed limit, then is there a shorter path to take? That is the idea behind the warp drive of scifi. A warp drive creates a shorter path. Space is warped to shorten the path. A similar idea is behind the idea of inflation. Space inflates separating matter without requiring the matter to move at supraluminal speeds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_(cosmology) https://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/technology/warp/warp.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warp_drive "Obviously, creating and harnessing black holes is not an easy undertaking, but Crane and Westmoreland point out that the black hole drive has a significant advantage over more speculative technologies like warp drives and wormholes: It is physically possible. And, worth pursuing 'because it allows a completely different and vastly wider destiny for the human race.' " https://www.universetoday.com/45571/black-hole-drive-could-power-future-starships/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erno86 Posted January 21, 2018 #211 Share Posted January 21, 2018 "We want to build black hole starships because there is no other way to the stars." quote: Louis Crane - "Using Black Holes to Power Starships" Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLrAu1PWdO8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erno86 Posted January 21, 2018 #212 Share Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, third_eye said: I have one of those ... i wear them all the time ... ~ Here's a pretty good PBS NOVA video on how black holes regulate star formation... Titled: "Black Hole Apocalypse" "Black holes can kind of blow you're mind." "We don't have the physics to describe black holes." http://www.pbs.org/video/black-hole-apocalypse-yj34qi/ Edited January 21, 2018 by Erno86 added a few words 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted January 21, 2018 #213 Share Posted January 21, 2018 On 21/01/2018 at 4:59 AM, Erno86 said: The speed of light can't be the speed limit for starships, or we would never have seen one --- Including my own double foo fighter sighting in 76. Just by our own observations of said phenomena...signifies a major visual communication endeavor by the otherworlders --- That is: The speed of light barrier can be broken, because they've obviously broken it before, many times in the past. Not necessarily, there are ways already conceived by our theoreticians in order to circumvent the Lightspeed Limit. Wormholes for example. Perhpas our out of town guests use such things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erno86 Posted January 21, 2018 #214 Share Posted January 21, 2018 40 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: Not necessarily, there are ways already conceived by our theoreticians in order to circumvent the Lightspeed Limit. Wormholes for example. Perhpas our out of town guests use such things. I don't believe in the feasibility of wormhole starship travel, because some scientists have theorized that it would require the power of a supernova blast to create a wormhole. And, if a starship entered the wormhole...the wormhole would collapse unto itself, being caused by the vibrations of the starship entering the wormhole. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted January 21, 2018 #215 Share Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Erno86 said: I don't believe in the feasibility of wormhole starship travel, Quote He found that such a wormhole is inherently unstable: the tunnel forms, but then it contracts and pinches off, leaving you once more with just two singularities. This process of growth and contraction happens so fast that not even light makes it through the tunnel, and an astronaut trying to pass through would encounter a singularity. That’s sudden death, as the immense gravitational forces would rip the traveler apart. Read more: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/would-astronauts-survive-interstellar-trip-through-wormhole-180953269/#3W36ymWMBoOvMvCy.99 Edited January 21, 2018 by seeder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted January 21, 2018 #216 Share Posted January 21, 2018 It's all rubbish. Fun to think about but still rubbish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted January 22, 2018 #217 Share Posted January 22, 2018 8 hours ago, Erno86 said: "We want to build black hole starships because there is no other way to the stars." quote: Louis Crane - "Using Black Holes to Power Starships" Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLrAu1PWdO8 Found several places mentioned blackhole starship drives. One issue is that they will be bounded by the speed of light. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole_starship 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fearbytrigger Posted January 22, 2018 #218 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I'm not sure what this thread is about? Something about objects disappearing at 300m, but how is that relevant in photography? Cameras are so much more capable than our eyes. I managed to capture a pretty detailed picture of a radio mast from about 24,000m away. It didn't look great, but you could make out details like each individual dish. And that's just on a point-and-shoot simulating an 800mm focal length. Imagine the detail you could capture from that distance on a full-frame DSLR with a 1200mm lens. Cameras are more than capable of capturing detailed images of UFOs. The sad truth is, when they do, you can see that it's just a plane, or a balloon... And then it's not a UFO anymore. UFO pictures kinda, by definition, need to be bad quality. Because, unfortunately, there's no spaceships zipping around to photograph with a decent lens. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted January 22, 2018 #219 Share Posted January 22, 2018 On 21/01/2018 at 6:03 AM, Erno86 said: Our laws of physics...are obviously primitive to say the least. That's your comprehension skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeresExpo2000 Posted January 30, 2018 #220 Share Posted January 30, 2018 On 1/21/2018 at 4:12 PM, Erno86 said: I don't believe in the feasibility of wormhole starship travel, because some scientists have theorized that it would require the power of a supernova blast to create a wormhole. And, if a starship entered the wormhole...the wormhole would collapse unto itself, being caused by the vibrations of the starship entering the wormhole. There are Natural Wormholes all around the Milky Way Galaxy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Falukorv Posted January 30, 2018 #221 Share Posted January 30, 2018 29 minutes ago, CeresExpo2000 said: There are Natural Wormholes all around the Milky Way Galaxy. Yeah right... where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeresExpo2000 Posted January 30, 2018 #222 Share Posted January 30, 2018 37 minutes ago, Herr Falukorv said: Yeah right... where? The center of our sun. You need to find a way of not burning up as you reach the Event Horizon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted January 30, 2018 #223 Share Posted January 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, CeresExpo2000 said: The center of our sun. You need to find a way of not burning up as you reach the Event Horizon. That is not possible. Try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted January 30, 2018 #224 Share Posted January 30, 2018 24 minutes ago, CeresExpo2000 said: The center of our sun. You need to find a way of not burning up as you reach the Event Horizon. What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeresExpo2000 Posted January 30, 2018 #225 Share Posted January 30, 2018 20 minutes ago, stereologist said: That is not possible. Try again. All you have to do is : Match shield frequency of the sun. The natural wormholes are often used for lucrative trade routes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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