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Does anyone know if the bodies retrieved from Area 51 in New Mexico are still in storage?   My father was in the Air Force when the ufo crashed and the bodies were taken.   He said he never saw the bodies, but was told by an Officer in charge of the operation they had retrieved bodies from the craft.   Supposedly one was alive but died shortly thereafter.

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19 minutes ago, Brandy333 said:

Does anyone know if the bodies retrieved from Area 51 in New Mexico are still in storage?   My father was in the Air Force when the ufo crashed and the bodies were taken.   He said he never saw the bodies, but was told by an Officer in charge of the operation they had retrieved bodies from the craft.   Supposedly one was alive but died shortly thereafter.

Right.... as there is no evidence any crash occurred, therefore no evidence any bodies exist it’d be hard (to say the least) to verify where these bodies are.

 

CONVERSELY;

the legends around the crash have a “red haired Air Force major” (who apparently turns up at a lot of these events) Ordering a bunch of child sized coffins from a local wood turner. So I’d say, based on that, they’re literally dead and buried.

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(Sir Wearer of Hats): Right  ....... as there is no evidence any crash occurred, therefore no evidence any bodies exist "

 

That's what the Military and perhaps gov. would like us to believe, and I don't understand why the coverup.  I do know that we definitely are not alone.   As to no evidence of a crash or bodies, yes there is.   A rancher originally found the crashed ufo and bodies but was sworn to secrecy until his death, whereupon his written statements of the craft and bodies were disclosed.

 

 

 

 

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Credo Mutwa claims people in Africa will eat aliens.

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_credo_mutwa03.htm

Their flesh is protein, just as animal flesh on Earth is, but, anyone who ingests Grey alien flesh comes very, very close to death. I nearly did.

You see, in Lesotho there is a mountain called Laribe; it is called the Crying Stone mountain. On several occasions, in the last 50 years or so, alien craft have crashed against this mountain.

And one last incident was reported in the newspapers not so long ago. An African who believes that these creatures are gods, when they find the corpse of a dead Grey alien, they take it, put it in a bag, and drag it into the bush, where they dismember it and ritually eat it. But some of them die as a result of ingesting that thing.

 

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2 hours ago, Brandy333 said:

Does anyone know if the bodies retrieved from Area 51 in New Mexico are still in storage?   My father was in the Air Force when the ufo crashed and the bodies were taken.   He said he never saw the bodies, but was told by an Officer in charge of the operation they had retrieved bodies from the craft.   Supposedly one was alive but died shortly thereafter.

As you probably realize by now, the answers to your questions depend on who you ask. I think the Roswell incident was highly likely to be an extraterrestrial craft and there is a good chance there were bodies. I think there was a cover-up and that keeps the whole thing unclear.

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1 hour ago, Brandy333 said:
(Sir Wearer of Hats): Right  ....... as there is no evidence any crash occurred, therefore no evidence any bodies exist "

 

That's what the Military and perhaps gov. would like us to believe, and I don't understand why the coverup.  I do know that we definitely are not alone.   As to no evidence of a crash or bodies, yes there is.   A rancher originally found the crashed ufo and bodies but was sworn to secrecy until his death, whereupon his written statements of the craft and bodies were disclosed.

 

 

 

 

Suppose you witness an extraterrestrial craft crash land in your back yard. You call the Police and two hours later, the Military shows up. What do you think they are going to do with it? Call all the news agencies to come take a look at it, to finally have proof of Alien contact? Or load the craft up, ship it to some undisclosed area, and glean the technology by reverse engineering or analytic study? You'll be told to keep silent on the matter for the interest of "national security." 

It's not like they would just show up, load the vehicle and bodies on a truck and take it to the landfill.

If an Alien ship ever crashed, that is what would happen. It would not be presented to the public for gawking over.. Technology is big business when it comes to Military applications. And the more things like that were kept secret, the more our scientific advances would happen, free of foreign spying if they knew about it.

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On 09/01/2018 at 5:35 PM, South Alabam said:

Suppose you witness an extraterrestrial craft crash land in your back yard. You call the Police and two hours later, the Military shows up. What do you think they are going to do with it? Call all the news agencies to come take a look at it, to finally have proof of Alien contact? Or load the craft up, ship it to some undisclosed area, and glean the technology by reverse engineering or analytic study? You'll be told to keep silent on the matter for the interest of "national security." 

It's not like they would just show up, load the vehicle and bodies on a truck and take it to the landfill.

If an Alien ship ever crashed, that is what would happen. It would not be presented to the public for gawking over.. Technology is big business when it comes to Military applications. And the more things like that were kept secret, the more our scientific advances would happen, free of foreign spying if they knew about it.

The military is in the business of keeping secrets, misdirection and are synonymous for keeping secrets. If an ET craft crashed on my property, I'd call news and scientists.., but I am 100% certain (from my short time in the Army) that they would want that tech for themselves. For us. If they told me to keep my mouth shut.., I would. The reporters would have to. Media suppression orders are enforceable by law.

Their job.., their career. Day after day is to think about protecting us from insanely powerful, rich and smart enemies who are spending just as much time and energy doing the same thing back.

If anyone says they wouldn't.., just doesn't understand how it all really works.

 

As far as Roswell goes.., I've never looked into the case at all. Starting from the beginning.., what facts do we have? I'll do some research over the next week and participate in this thread so I can learn all about it,

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20 minutes ago, Fila said:

As far as Roswell goes.., I've never looked into the case at all. Starting from the beginning.., what facts do we have? I'll do some research over the next week and participate in this thread so I can learn all about it,

 

Research over the next week? heck go to wiki, the research is already done, takes a minute to read, not a week

 

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In mid-1947, a United States Army Air Forces balloon crashed at a ranch near Roswell, New Mexico.[1] Following wide initial interest in the crashed "flying disc", the US military stated that it was merely a conventional weather balloon.[2] Interest subsequently waned until the late 1970s, when ufologists began promoting a variety of increasingly elaborate conspiracy theories, claiming that one or more alien spacecraft had crash-landed, and that the extraterrestrial occupants had been recovered by the military, who then engaged in a cover-up.

In the 1990s, the US military published two reports disclosing the true nature of the crashed object: a nuclear test surveillance balloon from Project Mogul. Nevertheless, the Roswell incident continues to be of interest in popular media, and conspiracy theories surrounding the event persist. Roswell has been described as "the world's most famous, most exhaustively investigated, and most thoroughly debunked UFO claim

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_UFO_incident

 

 

 

 

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Roswell can be summed up thus:

something falls from the sky, it’s odd. So the rancher calls in the local military just in case it’s odd and dangerous.

Now, this is where stories diverge:

STORY 1: what it was was classified. A Mogol balloon monitoring for Russian nuke tests. Some numpty in the press office thought “Ohh, everyone thinks it’s aliens, that means they’re not asking if we made it, which is brilliant! Let’s let them go no thinking that”. Because, as I said, classified. 

This man was an idiot.

the story exploded leading to lots and lots of questions. So along comes someone who was both not an idiot and given the unenviable job of cleaning up a mess that’s both classified and made worse by said idiot.

He was left with telling the truth, from s certain point of view... thus it was called a weather balloon.

 

STORY 2: what it was was aliens. And the aforementioned idiot was still an idiot because in this story he basically let everyone know what was to become the biggest damn secret in US history.

Now, there’s a lot of stuff that exists about this. Lots of footage proporting to be of an autopsy (or even a vivisection) of the alien crash victims. It’s of variable quality and arguably dodgy safety protocols (as in - the filmed doctors/coroners were LESS safety protocol consciously dressed for this examination than they would be for a regular autopsy on humans let alone on alienscwho could have any sort of diseases or viruses). And a whole swathe of odd stories (for example MIB and our infamous red haired USAF major). 

 

I tend to accept story 1.

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7 minutes ago, seeder said:

these types of threads are always laughable.....I mean....advanced aliens make it through millions of miles of dangerous space travel to get to Earth, then soon as they do....whoops they crash land on earth... after flying thru a totally clear sky, devoid of any other craft....they somehow lose control and crash to earth...

Mind you if your flying saucer is made of balloon material and balsa wood...I can understand the craft being smashed to bits..... youd have thought those advance aliens would have a more resilient spaceship....you know.... made of some exotic alloy/metals....  BUT OH NO!  :tu:

Hey Seeder,  I think to give you another perspective, whenever I hear how would they crash I always find similarities to a huge jumbo jet.......all that size, able to fly through the sky at tremendous speed.....yet a bird (or to be more precise a flock of) can bring this huge thing crashing down.....

just food for thought really as opposed to a comment regarding Roswell.

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3 minutes ago, quillius said:

Hey Seeder,  I think to give you another perspective, whenever I hear how would they crash I always find similarities to a huge jumbo jet.......all that size, able to fly through the sky at tremendous speed.....yet a bird (or to be more precise a flock of) can bring this huge thing crashing down.....

just food for thought really as opposed to a comment regarding Roswell.

 

Hey buddy, its been a while!

Ok so do we have any stats on planes coming down because of bird strike?  Sure birds have caused some damage to planes, cracked windscreens, dented body work, even going through the engines....and minor fires as a result...

The GOOD thing about aircraft design tho, is even if... an engine is disabled, a plane can still fly....even if BOTH engines get disabled....the planes can still glide.... bird strikes do not guarantee a plane crash


 

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These so-called bird strikes are defined as a collision between a bird and an aircraft. They usually occur during landing (about 60 percent of the time, according to the FAA) with another 37 percent of wildlife strikes occurring during take-off and climb. Bird strikes are very common occurrences, happening every single day despite pilot’s efforts to “not hit the birds.” According to the FAA, there were 13,688 in 2014 alone. There were even two bird strikes in one day at JFK last August.

Because they are so common, commercial jets are designed to withstand collisions with birds. According to Boeing, who makes many of the commercial planes flying the skies, “Bird strikes have always been a part of aviation” and “usually cause no more than minor damage.” Like lightning strikes, bird strikes can seem alarming to passengers, but planes are designed to take the collision and keep on going.

Generally, bird strikes are a hit-and-run situation with smaller birds disappearing into engines and larger birds usually causing minimal damage to hulls, engines, or plane noses. The force will sometimes crack windshields, leaving dings and bumps on the plane, but it’s still completely safe to fly. Most of the time pilots and passengers may have no clue that they hit a bird until they leave the plane and see a dent.
http://www.travelandleisure.com/airlines-airports/what-happens-when-planes-hit-birds


 

 

Now any space craft capable of vast speeds will be highly reinforced, if only to take the strain and stress of acceleration.....but as we know too...travelling thru space there is ALWAYS the danger of being hit by micro meteorites....and if dumb monkey man on earth knows that, then surely the aliens will know it too

Alien craft....I strongly suspect, will be made of stronger stuff than aviation grade aluminium.....plus no alien craft that I remember has ever been described as have exterior engines with interior fans that can suck birds in....in the first place

Google has many images of bird strike damage... heres one....but as the photo is taken on land, we can also conclude the plane landed safely

GolfHotelWhiskey.comBirdStrike.jpg

 

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OK the most notable was the plane that crashed into the Hudson River....BUT...the craft managed to land, ok on a river but it didnt nose dive....and EVERYONE survived
 

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 (CNN)A US Airways plane with 155 people on board ditched into a chilly Hudson River on Thursday, apparently after striking at least one bird upon takeoff from New York's LaGuardia Airport, according to officials and passengers.
Everyone on board was accounted for and alive, officials said. About 15 people were being treated at hospitals and others were being evaluated at triage centers.
Flight 1549, headed to Charlotte, North Carolina, was airborne less than three minutes, according to FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown.

The pilot radioed to air traffic controllers that he had experienced a bird strike and declared an emergency, a New Jersey State Police source said.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/11/us/hudson-landing-archive-news-story/index.html

 

Plane_crash_into_Hudson_River_(crop).jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Airways_Flight_1549

 

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6 minutes ago, seeder said:

 

Hey buddy, its been a while!

Ok so do we have any stats on planes coming down because of bird strike?  Sure birds have caused some damage to planes, cracked windscreens, dented body work, even going through the engines....and minor fires as a result...

The GOOD thing about aircraft design tho, is even if... an engine is disabled, a plane can still fly....even if BOTH engines get disabled....the planes can still glide.... bird strikes do not guarantee a plane crash


 

 

Now any space craft capable of vast speeds will be highly reinforced, if only to take the strain and stress of acceleration.....but as we know too...travelling thru space there is ALWAYS the danger of being hit by micro meteorites....and if dumb monkey man on earth knows that, then surely the aliens will know it too

Alien craft....I strongly suspect, will be made of stronger stuff than aviation grade aluminium.....plus no alien craft that I remember has ever been described as have exterior engines with interior fans that can suck birds in....in the first place

Google has many images of bird strike damage... heres one....but as the photo is taken on land, we can also conclude the plane landed safely

 

 

just been loitering with intent :)

From what I have previously looked at there have been a few major crashes and lots of smaller planes brought down. Anyhow whether the plane is able to land or crashes, the point is it still ends up having to come to ground.....or water as per your Hudson example.

In my mind whilst we have no idea (IF) how they travel, what a craft would be made of etc etc we then have no idea what can bring it crashing down. I was simply showing that if you put a bird next to an airliner and suggested that this small bird (which have always been about, so we are always aware of them) can bring this huge object down to ground then it would seem unlikely.....

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Rlyeh said:

Credo Mutwa claims people in Africa will eat aliens.

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_credo_mutwa03.htm

 

He will also make you a little doll you can stick pins in to harm other people. really, quoting an, essentially witch doctor... to speak on aliens is quite bizarre... but it gave me a laugh :lol:

 

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31 minutes ago, quillius said:

Hey Seeder,  I think to give you another perspective, whenever I hear how would they crash I always find similarities to a huge jumbo jet.......all that size, able to fly through the sky at tremendous speed.....yet a bird (or to be more precise a flock of) can bring this huge thing crashing down.....

just food for thought really as opposed to a comment regarding Roswell.

Hi Quillius, Hey I do believe you raised a great point with what you said.It isnt hard to see this being a possibility.Thanks for that insight makes alot sense to me.There are alot of variables that could possibly come into play here when you look at it like in that way....

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2 minutes ago, quillius said:

just been loitering with intent :)

From what I have previously looked at there have been a few major crashes and lots of smaller planes brought down. Anyhow whether the plane is able to land or crashes, the point is it still ends up having to come to ground.....or water as per your Hudson example.

In my mind whilst we have no idea (IF) how they travel, what a craft would be made of etc etc we then have no idea what can bring it crashing down. I was simply showing that if you put a bird next to an airliner and suggested that this small bird (which have always been about, so we are always aware of them) can bring this huge object down to ground then it would seem unlikely.....

 

 

From what Ive read about bird strikes...there are numerous, hundreds of them yearly....yet rarely any crashes
 

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According to the British Airline Pilots Association (BALPA), such events are rarely dangerous – unless you’re a bird, that is.

“Aircraft are designed and built to withstand bird strikes and pilots undergo rigorous training to enable them to deal with eventualities like a bird strike,” said BALPA flight safety specialist, Stephen Landells.

“In my flying career I have experienced 10 bird strikes, none of which caused any significant damage. On half the occasions, in fact, due to the small size of the birds, I was not aware that I had hit one until inspecting the aircraft after landing.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travel-truths/how-dangerous-is-a-bird-strike/


 

 

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Just now, seeder said:

 

From what Ive read about bird strikes...there are numerous, hundreds of them yearly....yet rarely any crashes
 

 

yes that's true, but still, it has happened.  Those Roswell joyriders visited hundreds of planets and never had a problem.....until they tried Earth :)

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A huge mothership in 1947 was passing through our solar system, 
then some drunken alien teenagers took a shutlepod for a joyride
down to earth, they crashed due to both inexperience and drunk driving/flying. 

That could happen.... =)

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21 minutes ago, Hre2breal said:

Hi Quillius, Hey I do believe you raised a great point with what you said.It isnt hard to see this being a possibility.Thanks for that insight makes alot sense to me.There are alot of variables that could possibly come into play here when you look at it like in that way....

 

If for conversation purposes, I had a dead duck....now, I could throw that at a greenhouse....and expect it to smash the glass... greenhouse glass is typically thin.....however, if I threw the same duck at my car....I doubt itd break any windows or mess the bodywork up

Of course if I were driving at speed and someone threw the duck at my car...that will cause more damage simply down to velocity...it might put a dent in the bodywork, or even smash the windscreen... neither of which guarantee the car will stop working, and an experienced driver, and Im one of them, could stop safely and inspect the damage

I once topped up a radiator in my car at a motorway service station....closed the bonnet, got back on the motorway, and soon hit 70mph.....when there was an ALMIGHTY BANG....and I was showered with windscreen glass... and couldnt see a damn thing.... I hadnt closed the bonnet properly....the wind got under it when I was at speed, the bonnet ripped up and folded back....smashing the windscreen and causing me to be unable to see anything...

A HUGELY dangerous situation, especially at 70mph....but I STILL managed to pull over safely without causing further crashes with other cars...

But aeroplanes have autopilot that do MOST of the flying.... even if a duck smashed thru a planes VERY THICK AND VERY STRONG..windscreen....it wont automatically mean a crash is inevitable...if the pilot cant see....there is the pilots mate.....who probably will take over the controls, and like I said....autopilot for when neither pilot can fly manually

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, seeder said:

 

If for conversation purposes, I had a dead duck....now, I could throw that at a greenhouse....and expect it to smash the glass... greenhouse glass is typically thin.....however, if I threw the same duck at my car....I doubt itd break any windows or mess the bodywork up

Of course if I were driving at speed and someone threw the duck at my car...that will cause more damage simply down to velocity...it might put a dent in the bodywork, or even smash the windscreen... neither of which guarantee the car will stop working, and an experienced driver, and Im one of them, could stop safely and inspect the damage

I once topped up a radiator in my car at a motorway service station....closed the bonnet, got back on the motorway, and soon hit 70mph.....when there was an ALMIGHTY BANG....and I was showered with windscreen glass... and couldnt see a damn thing.... I hadnt closed the bonnet properly....the wind got under it when I was at speed, the bonnet ripped up and folded back....smashing the windscreen and causing me to be unable to see anything...

A HUGELY dangerous situation, especially at 70mph....but I STILL managed to pull over safely without causing further crashes with other cars...

But aeroplanes have autopilot that do MOST of the flying.... even if a duck smashed thru a planes VERY THICK AND VERY STRONG..windscreen....it wont automatically mean a crash is inevitable...if the pilot cant see....there is the pilots mate.....who probably will take over the controls, and like I said....autopilot for when neither pilot can fly manually

 

 

 

agreed, hence why it is rare that it causes a crash

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Posted (edited)

Watch this movie... It will explain why the cover up.

*snip*

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The  headline in the newspaper.. "army recovers flying disc ".. or something to that effect I think is what really propels people into believing this actually happened. Its all just very safe to assume this was a case of over exuberance in the part of the person that wrote that story and printed it in a newspaper. People believe what they read and " want to believe " is the problem. The written word to many people has power behind it. Apply critical thought and that power disappears

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