GoldenWolf Posted January 9, 2018 #1 Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) Quote Trump Spiritual Advisor Wants You To Send Her Up To 1 Month's Pay Or Face 'Consequences' Paula White, a prosperity gospel preacher with close ties to President Donald Trump, is calling on followers to send her donations of up to one month’s salary. Those who don’t pay up could face “consequences” from God as he demands the dough as a “first fruits” offering. https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-spiritual-advisor-wants-send-095218970.html This is getting ludicrously insane. Edited January 9, 2018 by Mystic Crusader 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted January 9, 2018 #2 Share Posted January 9, 2018 What are "first fruit" offerings? Has her alleged god got his own bank account or will she be taking care of his finances for him? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenWolf Posted January 9, 2018 Author #3 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, freetoroam said: What are "first fruit" offerings? Has her alleged god got his own bank account or will she be taking care of his finances for him? I think it is ludicrous either way. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila King Posted January 9, 2018 #4 Share Posted January 9, 2018 IMPORTANT NEWS BULLETIN: "Most powerful being in the universe needs your money!" 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila King Posted January 9, 2018 #5 Share Posted January 9, 2018 It's no different then what Christians have been saying for millennia. She's just cut the crap and gotten straight to the point: "Give me money or God will punish you." It's all the same narrative. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted January 9, 2018 #6 Share Posted January 9, 2018 34 minutes ago, Mystic Crusader said: I think it is ludicrous either way. I think i am beginning to understand what is going on: Quote That is a big sacrifice, but it is a seed for the harvest I am believing for in the coming year. And God always provides!” God needs to buy himself some seeds and a new combine harvester. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted January 9, 2018 #7 Share Posted January 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, Aquila King said: IMPORTANT NEWS BULLETIN: "Most powerful being in the universe needs your money!" I want to know who he buying off? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted January 9, 2018 #8 Share Posted January 9, 2018 This is exciting stuff, once she has given god the money, he will be out shopping. M a y b e we will finally see him, unless he buys everything online! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted January 9, 2018 #9 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Is this sort of thing normal in America ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila King Posted January 9, 2018 #10 Share Posted January 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, RoofGardener said: Is this sort of thing normal in America ? That's 'Murica. And yes, unfortunately it is... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaturtlehorsesnake Posted January 9, 2018 #11 Share Posted January 9, 2018 agh, prosperity gospel people fill me with rage. Quote “When you honor this principle it provides the foundation and structure for God’s blessings and promises in your life, it unlocks deep dimensions of spiritual truths that literally transform your life! When you apply this everything comes in divine alignment for His plan and promises for you. When you don’t honor it, whether through ignorance or direct disobedience there are consequences.” these are the words of a con artist, pure and simple. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Greenman Posted January 9, 2018 #12 Share Posted January 9, 2018 So god is doing a ponzi scheme? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplybill Posted January 9, 2018 #13 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Ms. White’s math is wrong. In the Old Testament, the word ‘tithe’ means ‘10%’. Supposing Ms. White earns $100 per month; by the end of the year, she will have made $1200, a tenth of which is $120 dollars. If her yearly tithe is equal to a month’s salary ($100) then she is $20 short. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eight bits Posted January 9, 2018 #14 Share Posted January 9, 2018 2 hours ago, RoofGardener said: Is this sort of thing normal in America ? Paula White has been a visible person on US cable television for years before her recent connection with Trump. This seems to be what the Yahoo article is referring to: https://paulawhite.org/firstfruits 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted January 9, 2018 #15 Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 hours ago, freetoroam said: I want to know who he buying off? It's child support for all those other multiverses. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podo Posted January 10, 2018 #16 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Insane administration demands insane things. Seems pretty par for the course for 'merica right now. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted January 11, 2018 #17 Share Posted January 11, 2018 On 10/01/2018 at 9:08 AM, simplybill said: Ms. White’s math is wrong. In the Old Testament, the word ‘tithe’ means ‘10%’. Supposing Ms. White earns $100 per month; by the end of the year, she will have made $1200, a tenth of which is $120 dollars. If her yearly tithe is equal to a month’s salary ($100) then she is $20 short. Unless she is getting paid fortnightly, in which case there are 13 "months" (four week periods) in the year. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only_ Posted January 11, 2018 #18 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) The Demiurge (Jehovah) once said this to his creation: ''Welcome to hell, can I take your order?'' Edited January 11, 2018 by TruthSeeker_ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted January 11, 2018 #19 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) While this example is obviously a bit of a con, the idea is surprisingly effective and workable.. It depends on a person having the right mindset I know many people who tithe to a church (and give more in free will offerings) I've never seen one struggling to make ends meet, or worried by money, But, of course, that can be because they live simple, non material, lives and don't need a huge income The giving is part of their faith, and it thus makes them happy (one of the prime directives for a human being) and strangely, also often brings them prosperity . I can't really explain it, but these sort of people don't waste money on drink, drugs, entertainment or expensive " toys" etc., because their psychological needs are met by their faith,and 10% is actually a lot less than most people spend trying to buy happiness with material possessions and trying to avoid boredom.. . Often they are cautious, and god fearing, people and so invest wisely. Many claim god helps them make wise decisions, from buying a car to investing money . My wife has given ten percent of her income, plus a bit more in free willed offerings, all her working life (and still does, from her old age pension) She gets $700 a fortnight for the age pension, ($18200 per year) and gives $100 a fortnight, ($2600 per year) in tithes and offerings. She has never missed it . We have never struggled, and it keeps her fixed on the spiritual rather than the material things of the world eg she spends nothing on cosmetics, jewellery, alcohol, expensive clothing, or going out for entertainment, and so saves a lot more than she gives in tithe I don't tithe, as i don't go to a church, but as I've said before, i gave away between 20 and 30% of my income, all my working life to; people, animals, and the environment, who needed it a lot more than we did. it has nothing to do with doing gods work, but about meeting what you feel or see is your obligation to give back to god a small percentage of all the wealth, richness and blessings, he has given you, beginning with your life. There are some practical benefits, of course. As a church member you are entitled to free weddings, funerals, christenings/baptisms, and Sunday lunches, plus the support network of a group of like minded fellows. Edited January 11, 2018 by Mr Walker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eight bits Posted January 11, 2018 #20 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) Just a few further impressions about Paula. I discovered her when I was cable channel surfing years and years ago. I could scarcely believe my ears, the lady was giving investment advice (as in, whatever money you send to her, God wil give it back to you after multiplying it however-many-fold...). There are laws in the United States that regulate investment advisors (promising future profits is a specific no-no). But, of course, this is Ms White's religion, and so she can say pretty much whatever she wants. There is a "coercive" element in the current pitch that I didn't hear years ago. Now, instead of something with a flavor like Giving $100 to me is like buying Google at $100 a share (but nothing so specific and crass, this is church), it's more like, You owe da Boss for that paycheck, and if ya don't pay up, you're gonna wish you had. There are also laws in the United States about extortion, but again, this is Ms White's religion, ... In neither pitch, do I hear Ms White explaining why, if we want to invest in God or repay some debt to him, we should send the money to her. The Bible I look at is full of advice from Jesus about how to direct resources to him. For example, what you do for the least of your brethren, you do for me. Oh, OK, if I ever need to get $100 to Jesus, then maybe I should make a donation to the local food pantry. I admit it. I would make a crappy Christian. I am way too hung up on what Jesus said, and if I were a Christian, I'd try to do what he said. Like that part where he says to pray in private and don't make a big display of your prayers and charitable giving. See, I'd do that if I were a Christian, just because he said so. So, Paula, how about it? You're a Christian. Why not tell people how many different ways Jesus said they could get $$$ to him? - Edited January 11, 2018 by eight bits 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted January 11, 2018 #21 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Jim tells it like it is ... ' It's too far to run and too late to hide ' ~ [00.02:21] ~ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kartikg Posted January 11, 2018 #22 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I hope it's all tax free for her, poor lady saving souls and stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted January 11, 2018 #23 Share Posted January 11, 2018 8 hours ago, Mr Walker said: While this example is obviously a bit of a con, the idea is surprisingly effective and workable.. It depends on a person having the right mindset I know many people who tithe to a church (and give more in free will offerings) I've never seen one struggling to make ends meet, or worried by money, But, of course, that can be because they live simple, non material, lives and don't need a huge income The giving is part of their faith, and it thus makes them happy (one of the prime directives for a human being) and strangely, also often brings them prosperity . I can't really explain it, but these sort of people don't waste money on drink, drugs, entertainment or expensive " toys" etc., because their psychological needs are met by their faith,and 10% is actually a lot less than most people spend trying to buy happiness with material possessions and trying to avoid boredom.. . Often they are cautious, and god fearing, people and so invest wisely. Many claim god helps them make wise decisions, from buying a car to investing money . My wife has given ten percent of her income, plus a bit more in free willed offerings, all her working life (and still does, from her old age pension) She gets $700 a fortnight for the age pension, ($18200 per year) and gives $100 a fortnight, ($2600 per year) in tithes and offerings. She has never missed it . We have never struggled, and it keeps her fixed on the spiritual rather than the material things of the world eg she spends nothing on cosmetics, jewellery, alcohol, expensive clothing, or going out for entertainment, and so saves a lot more than she gives in tithe I don't tithe, as i don't go to a church, but as I've said before, i gave away between 20 and 30% of my income, all my working life to; people, animals, and the environment, who needed it a lot more than we did. it has nothing to do with doing gods work, but about meeting what you feel or see is your obligation to give back to god a small percentage of all the wealth, richness and blessings, he has given you, beginning with your life. There are some practical benefits, of course. As a church member you are entitled to free weddings, funerals, christenings/baptisms, and Sunday lunches, plus the support network of a group of like minded fellows. Absolutely Mr Walker. Let me first say I cant stand prosperity preachers. Honestly I don't like the idea personally of giving to the church at all, though I do understand the importance of people doing so in order for a church to survive. If your pastor is living in a multi million dollar mansion, that's a problem. Biblically though this is the one and only area where God challenges the believer. To give with a generous heart will cause God to give to you in abundance. Now I know tithing and charity are two different things. Personally though I feel led to give when I see a need. That's when I can wilfully happily give. Like seeing a Mom in the grocery store line that is a few bucks short. That kinda thing. Every week I put aside from my check what ever I feel comfortable giving away for that given week. Sometimes its as little as 5 bucks, some weeks much more then that. Sometimes I wont see a need for some time, and the money will add up over a few weeks. That's when I get excited, cause I know God has a bigger need to meet. And don't cha know one always comes up sooner or later. Now I am no where near rich, but my cup certainly runs over. Sometimes in more ways then just financial. I believe God has fulfilled his promise as far as I'm concerned. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila King Posted January 11, 2018 #24 Share Posted January 11, 2018 On 1/9/2018 at 5:04 PM, Grandpa Greenman said: So god is doing a ponzi scheme? Why of course not. You don't have to give them money. You also have the option of going to Hell. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted January 11, 2018 #25 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Well I've got some tar and feathers from Santa this Christmas and I'm just itching to use them. jmccr8 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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