Space Commander Travis Posted January 14, 2018 #76 Share Posted January 14, 2018 It's difficult to know where to stand in this debate. If you think that Mayor Sadiq is an arrogant t!t of the highest order, which he is, that'd mean agreeing with Boris, who's a Tory twerp of the highest order. It's a dilemma, isn't it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted January 15, 2018 #77 Share Posted January 15, 2018 20 hours ago, Setton said: Sorry, I thought we were going to be a proud independent country after brexit. But only if we keep the US happy, right? we're not going to be trading crab apples and clay beads for reindeer meat when we leave the EU you know - trading will be global and a lot of it will be with the US - it's pure madness to let the likes of Sadiq Khan damage UK / US relations - when it's to our benefit to keep strong ties - 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted January 15, 2018 #78 Share Posted January 15, 2018 13 minutes ago, bee said: it's pure madness to let the likes of Sadiq Khan damage UK / US relations If only the New Labour government had been brave enough to when GW Bush wanted Tony to go along with the Project for a New American Century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted January 15, 2018 #79 Share Posted January 15, 2018 That is, actually, a worthwhile question; if the Donald was to decide to attack N. Korea or Iran, "just as a precaution", would Theresa May's regime back it as enthusiastically as Tony did George's very similar adventures? Would Boris be the first to stand up and salute and trot along to Washington and tell the Orange Leader, with his tongue hanging out and panting, because it would be so important to maintain good relations with our Best Friend? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted January 15, 2018 #80 Share Posted January 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, Vlad the Mighty said: If only the New Labour government had been brave enough to when GW Bush wanted Tony to go along with the Project for a New American Century. this is a different US (up to a point) with Trump at the helm - the people who are going nuts at the mere mention of the Don's name because of the 24/7 negative spin bad press are in a way digging their own grave but are too dumb to realise - problem is they are dragging us all down with them - stupid is winning and the Manipulators are rubbing their hands with glee --- oh how well it's all going -- so well that the President of the USA is not welcome to visit the UK without a Hate Fest and over the top protests - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted January 15, 2018 #81 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, bee said: this is a different US (up to a point) with Trump at the helm - the people who are going nuts at the mere mention of the Don's name because of the 24/7 negative spin bad press are in a way digging their own grave but are too dumb to realise - problem is they are dragging us all down with them - stupid is winning and the Manipulators are rubbing their hands with glee --- oh how well it's all going -- so well that the President of the USA is not welcome to visit the UK without a Hate Fest and over the top protests - Well, see post following that one. Have things really changed? Is the Donald unwillingly going along with the belligerence towards Iran and N. Korea at the instigation of the Global Elite? He seems enthusiastic enough about it if he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted January 15, 2018 #82 Share Posted January 15, 2018 17 minutes ago, Vlad the Mighty said: That is, actually, a worthwhile question; if the Donald was to decide to attack N. Korea or Iran, "just as a precaution", would Theresa May's regime back it as enthusiastically as Tony did George's very similar adventures? Would Boris be the first to stand up and salute and trot along to Washington and tell the Orange Leader, with his tongue hanging out and panting, because it would be so important to maintain good relations with our Best Friend? I think the Donald will do everything he can to avoid military conflict - and try to apply pressure in many ways - haven't north and south Korea been talking for the first time in heavens knows when - but the Enemy Media don't like that and do you know what --- I think they WANT Trump to go to war - perhaps we wouldn't back a NK or Iran war and wouldn't dive in - but I expect Teresa May would be criticised what ever she did - 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted January 15, 2018 #83 Share Posted January 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, Vlad the Mighty said: Well, see post following that one. Have things really changed? Is the Donald unwillingly going along with the belligerence towards Iran and N. Korea at the instigation of the Global Elite? He seems enthusiastic enough about it if he is. he may appear enthusiastic but is he really - at heart I don't believe he is a warmonger - it could be non military pressure and tactics that he prefers to use -- while at the same time keeping the real warmongers in check -- it must be a hard balancing act - 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted January 15, 2018 #84 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Who knows, maybe you may be right, Maybe it was the Donald's unconventional style of diplomacy that led to the talks between N & S Korea and the agreement to send a representation to the Olympics. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted January 15, 2018 #85 Share Posted January 15, 2018 29 minutes ago, Vlad the Mighty said: That is, actually, a worthwhile question; if the Donald was to decide to attack N. Korea or Iran, "just as a precaution", would Theresa May's regime back it as enthusiastically as Tony did George's very similar adventures? Would Boris be the first to stand up and salute and trot along to Washington and tell the Orange Leader, with his tongue hanging out and panting, because it would be so important to maintain good relations with our Best Friend? Without SOME sort of sanction from the UN, I doubt very much that the UK Parliament would want to get involved. As a practical matter, the UK doesn't currently have the capability to attack (or even support an attack) against North Korea or Iran. (that may change towards the end of 2018 as the Queen Elizabeth II finally completes its F-35 trials). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted January 15, 2018 #86 Share Posted January 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, Vlad the Mighty said: Who knows, maybe you may be right, Maybe it was the Donald's unconventional style of diplomacy that led to the talks between N & S Korea and the agreement to send a representation to the Olympics. Indeed. That and the new sanctions. (which President Trump was the lead agent in pushing through). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted January 15, 2018 #87 Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 hours ago, RoofGardener said: Without SOME sort of sanction from the UN, I doubt very much that the UK Parliament would want to get involved. As a practical matter, the UK doesn't currently have the capability to attack (or even support an attack) against North Korea or Iran. (that may change towards the end of 2018 as the Queen Elizabeth II finally completes its F-35 trials). I see the point your making, but as part of a coalition we could take part. how did we get into Iraq and landlocked Afghanistan? As part of a Coalition based in South Korea. We'd be able to put 35,000 troops and equipment anywhere in the world and sustain it. Our Astute and Trafalgar Class Subs would provide strike capability in the form of TLAM, our specialist skills and assets of which we can be considered a world leader in ISTAR. RAF Typhoons based in S.Korea could take part. Type 45 Destroyers acting as Air Defence. Type 23 Frigates ASW. RFA replenishment ships supporting coalition partners with RAS, food, water, solid stores. etc... plus our Naval facility in Singapore. RAF Typhoons have been to South Korea to train along side S.Korea forces. HMS Sutherland left only last week for a deployment to the Asia Pacific to train with partners in the region South Korean Navy, Australian Navy, Japanese etc..HMS Trenchant done a 11 month deployment a few years ago, one of the longest deployments in the Navy. 335 days away; 267 spent east of Suez. HMS Triumph sailed 41,000 miles submerged to Australia in 1993. i think this was the record. without support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetrodoxly Posted January 15, 2018 #88 Share Posted January 15, 2018 On 14/01/2018 at 0:49 PM, Setton said: Sorry, I thought we were going to be a proud independent country after brexit. But only if we keep the US happy, right? He's been welcomed to Belgium, China, France, Germany, Israel, Japan, Philippines, Poland, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Vatican City, Vietnam, and the West Bank Two visits to Italy with many more visits to other European countries in 2018, the rest of Europe is keeping him happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted January 15, 2018 #89 Share Posted January 15, 2018 But... but.. that's impossible. SURELY non of those countries would allow a racist misogynist into their midst ? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted January 15, 2018 #90 Share Posted January 15, 2018 49 minutes ago, hetrodoxly said: He's been welcomed to Belgium, China, France, Germany, Israel, Japan, Philippines, Poland, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Vatican City, Vietnam, and the West Bank Two visits to Italy with many more visits to other European countries in 2018, the rest of Europe is keeping him happy. Yes but they're all spineless sycophants who can't survive on their own. Not like the mighty British empire mk2, remember? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted January 15, 2018 #91 Share Posted January 15, 2018 18 minutes ago, Setton said: Yes but they're all spineless sycophants who can't survive on their own. Germany can and does. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted January 15, 2018 #92 Share Posted January 15, 2018 20 minutes ago, Setton said: Yes but they're all spineless sycophants who can't survive on their own. Not like the mighty British empire mk2, remember? "Captain, I am reading dangerously high levels of sarcasm in this sector... " 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetrodoxly Posted January 15, 2018 #93 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Setton said: Yes but they're all spineless sycophants who can't survive on their own. Not like the mighty British empire mk2, remember? That might be your opinion but i love the European countries posted here, and unlike you i think no less of them for inviting Trump. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted January 15, 2018 #94 Share Posted January 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, hetrodoxly said: That might be your opinion but i love the European countries posted here, and unlike you i think no less of them for inviting Trump. Would you like a beginner's guide to sarcasm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted January 15, 2018 #95 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, toast said: Germany can and does. Kinda the point toast... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetrodoxly Posted January 15, 2018 #96 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Setton said: Would you like a beginner's guide to sarcasm? Ha, ha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Red Devil Posted January 15, 2018 #97 Share Posted January 15, 2018 On 1/14/2018 at 11:49 PM, Setton said: Sorry, I thought we were going to be a proud independent country after brexit. But only if we keep the US happy, right? Out of the frying pan, into the fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted January 16, 2018 #98 Share Posted January 16, 2018 On 1/13/2018 at 2:28 AM, bee said: and I don't blame him - it's a shame for those of us who don't hate him and see what's going on but the authorities here are incapable and / or unwilling to show respect to the millions and millions of Americans who voted for Trump and for the President himself - it's a sorry state of affairs - Don't worry bee, most of those that voted for him have come to understand the insane reactions. It took a year and has been frustrating but we've settled down into just accepting their need for venting to the point that it's mostly just boring, now. He'll visit countries that are willing to show reasonable decorum and skip the rest but that doesn't mean that his voters will be offended at all the citizens of the UK or (insert European country). His presidency has been an awakening for many Americans on the Conservative side. I think that most of us were unaware of just how unstable the Left had become or how susceptible they were to the 24/7 drumbeat from the media. At times, it really begins to resemble a competition to see who can be the most shrill and nasty. The irony is that it's all driven by a desire to diminish his base and it's having the exact opposite effect. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted January 16, 2018 #99 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Just now, Vlad the Mighty said: So the entire Muslim population of the world (est. 1.8 Billion) are all mind controlled sheeps who have been targeted and controlled by a very thorough and clever Psychological Operation ? isn't every person who blindly follows any religion? any religion brainwashes people and controls their mind. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almighty Evan Posted January 16, 2018 #100 Share Posted January 16, 2018 On 1/12/2018 at 1:52 PM, Vlad the Mighty said: Wait till he opens the one in Jerusalem, then we'll see some fun. Yes, I can understand the salivation for more of the same kind of fun Rand Paul's neighbor enjoyed. To Big Media and many here, it was a real fave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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