Ouija Boards?

[GlitterRose 25,313]

Just now, papageorge1 said:

Although there may be charlatans out there, I believe there are also real mediums out there doing good honest work.

I have read studies of 'gifted' mediums who produced amazing results under triple-blind experimental conditions that make cold/hot readings impossible. Cold reading specialists admit they could not produce under these conditions. I am convinced that there are genuinely gifted mediums out there.

I said most.

I'm leaving the possibility of some of them being legit...or at least legitimately believing that they are mediums. 

That said, most of them are charlatans. I would go as far as to say that anyone who is demanding money so they can relay messages from your dead relatives is completely full of ****. 

[papageorge1 3,927]

7 minutes ago, ChaosRose said:

I said most.

I'm leaving the possibility of some of them being legit...or at least legitimately believing that they are mediums. 

'Legit' to me would mean producing real results, not just thinking they are producing real results.

7 minutes ago, ChaosRose said:

That said, most of them are charlatans. 

I would say most probably believe they have abilities and probably do to a limited extent. (But there at some highly gifted ones out there too).

7 minutes ago, ChaosRose said:

That said, most of them are charlatans. I would go as far as to say that anyone who is demanding money so they can relay messages from your dead relatives is completely full of ****. 

On that point I am going to disagree. The best ones make this a full-time service and have every right to also live a normal material life too. This does require money.

Edited January 14, 2018 by papageorge1

[GlitterRose 25,313]

That might be your belief. And you've probably never had a loved one be taken advantage of by them. 

I have.

[papageorge1 3,927]

1 minute ago, ChaosRose said:

That might be your belief. And you've probably never had a loved one be taken advantage of by them. 

I have.

No, I haven't. But research and references should be looked at for any service provider. But, I agree it is trickier in the medium business.

[GlitterRose 25,313]

1 minute ago, papageorge1 said:

No, I haven't. But research and references should be looked at for any service provider. But, I agree it is trickier in the medium business.

There's no research for a medium. Lol. You think there's research available for the Psychic Hotline? 

If they're trying to take your money and claiming to talk to your dead relatives, run.

[papageorge1 3,927]

2 minutes ago, ChaosRose said:

There's no research for a medium. Lol. You think there's research available for the Psychic Hotline? 

I think there is research available for the better ones, but maybe not the Psychic Hotline.

3 minutes ago, ChaosRose said:

If they're trying to take your money and claiming to talk to your dead relatives, run.

I find the truly gifted ones are not trying to take your money, but have an impossible waiting list to get an appointment. I would pay very good money myself if it was possible to get an appointment with one of the top gifted mediums. I wouldn't spend money on the Psychic Hotline, though.

[GlitterRose 25,313]

If they are actually gifted, then they should be helping police. 

A few do this. Some of them have even had some success. 

Most, however, have not...and they have even been detrimental, sometimes telling relatives and the police that missing children were already dead when they weren't. 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiiofSihtjYAhWlT98KHYaoC1IQFgg7MAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FPsychic_detective&usg=AOvVaw1N4OO4zlx3ebIqgvJSf6kF

Edited January 14, 2018 by ChaosRose

[papageorge1 3,927]

3 minutes ago, ChaosRose said:

If they are actually gifted, then they should be helping police. 

A few do this. Some of them have even had some success. 

Most, however, have not...and they have even been detrimental, sometimes telling relatives and the police that missing children were already dead when they weren't. 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiiofSihtjYAhWlT98KHYaoC1IQFgg7MAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FPsychic_detective&usg=AOvVaw1N4OO4zlx3ebIqgvJSf6kF

An analysis of psychic detectives can vary considerably depending on who you read. I have no respect for Wikipedia on psychic subjects since, Guerilla Skepticism on Wikipedia.

But to me, the most important question is do I believe mediums ever get in touch with real spirits of departed people. And I believe beyond reasonable doubt the answer is YES.

 

[GlitterRose 25,313]

2 hours ago, papageorge1 said:

An analysis of psychic detectives can vary considerably depending on who you read. I have no respect for Wikipedia on psychic subjects since, Guerilla Skepticism on Wikipedia.

But to me, the most important question is do I believe mediums ever get in touch with real spirits of departed people. And I believe beyond reasonable doubt the answer is YES.

 

You can believe what you want to. 

There are some that get in contact with something. You assume it's their dead relatives. 

I don't. 

Wiki was actually pretty decent about the psychics. There were a few cases where they were somewhat successful. 

Sure, if you go to RationalWiki, all you're going to encounter is people who believe it's all bs. 

[Brandy333 160]

I feel for your loss and know you so desire to be able to communicate with your boyfriend, and also want to find out who took his life.   However, a Quija board is not, and I stress is not a good source to use.   It is a vehicle in which evil spirits can and will come through.  I won't even touch one.   My advice would be to rid yourself of the thing, and after that if it were me would have my home blessed (cleansed) to clear it of unwanted spirits.   These spirits mean business and are nothing to mess with.

Just know that God knows who murdered your boyfriend.  He knows their name and where they are.  It's alright to have and keep close feelings for your boyfriend, but do it the right way by letting God guide you in prayer.   A Quija board may seem like a fun, quick way to get answers but it's the wrong way.

Edited January 14, 2018 by Brandy333

[Brandy333 160]

On ‎1‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 7:28 PM, Orphalesion said:

I am very sorry for your tragedy.

However I advise you against putting hope in Ouija boards, they are a toy created by a toy company (Hasbro) that cannot actually contact spirits of any kind. They are not dangerous, but they are also not helpful for any serious venture to contact a departed soul.

 

I say Quija boards are dangerous in that evil spirits can gain entry through them into a person's home and life.  No matter what device is used to try to contact someone "on the other side", there's no guarantee of actually talking to them.   Therefore, you don't know who or what you are really talking to.

[Orphalesion 4,279]

3 hours ago, Brandy333 said:

I say Quija boards are dangerous in that evil spirits can gain entry through them into a person's home and life.  No matter what device is used to try to contact someone "on the other side", there's no guarantee of actually talking to them.   Therefore, you don't know who or what you are really talking to.

You are not talking to anybody/anything when playing with a Oujia board, except possibly your subconsciousness. Again, it's a toy. By Hasbro.The probability of contacting "demons" with it is about the same as constructing a portal to Duat using Lego bricks.

[Brandy333 160]

14 minutes ago, Orphalesion said:

You are not talking to anybody/anything when playing with a Oujia board, except possibly your subconsciousness. Again, it's a toy. By Hasbro.The probability of contacting "demons" with it is about the same as constructing a portal to Duat using Lego bricks.

Not every Quija board out there is a toy made by Hasbro.

[Matt221 4,525]

On 14/01/2018 at 6:13 PM, papageorge1 said:

I think there is research available for the better ones, but maybe not the Psychic Hotline.

I find the truly gifted ones are not trying to take your money, but have an impossible waiting list to get an appointment. I would pay very good money myself if it was possible to get an appointment with one of the top gifted mediums. I wouldn't spend money on the Psychic Hotline, though.

My wife is a medium and under any circumstance she would never ever,ever accept payment of any form what's so ever she has never advertised the fact she does readings and is still kept busy in her spare time 

[papageorge1 3,927]

2 minutes ago, Matt221 said:

My wife is a medium and under any circumstance she would never ever,ever accept payment of any form what's so ever she has never advertised the fact she does readings and is still kept busy in her spare time 

That’s great.

But I don’t see a problem with full-time  mediums charging money so that they can live like other professionals that provide services. 

[Kota 55]

Ouija boards totally freak me out,  no matter what your intentions are in reality you have no idea what you’re letting through, we’ll call it a portal, and what if you don’t close that again? I’ve heard some freaky stories of people I know screwing around with them and having really crazy things happen after or during the experience. I guess I understand the attraction of it but chances are that whatever you’re talking to is just an entity that’s really negative and can attach itself to you... not to mention the rules of not playing alone or in a cemetery etc. idk I would be too cautious to try it

[RomanticRoses 4]

On 1/12/2018 at 3:43 PM, XenoFish said:

The ouija works through your subconscious and ideomotor effect. You'll be "communicating" with yourself. I am sorry for your loss.

Right, and you’re pretty naive to think that. Trust me, you’ll know it’s not just “you” when you experience a real communication  with a spirit through the Ouija (or other means) yourself.

to answer the first person, research how to use it, this is what I did.

 

can I tell you this is the best way to communicate with a ghost? No, I can’t yet, I’m still going through my own experience and learning about it.

 

 

[XenoFish 87,048]

2 minutes ago, RomanticRoses said:

Right, and you’re pretty naive to think that. Trust me, you’ll know it’s not just “you” when you experience a real communication  with a spirit through the Ouija (or other means) yourself.

to answer the first person, research how to use it, this is what I did.

 

can I tell you this is the best way to communicate with a ghost? No, I can’t yet, I’m still going through my own experience and learning about it.

 

 

Are you some kind of authority on this? Do you have a masters degree in ghost hunting back by scientific validity? 

[RomanticRoses 4]

If you don’t believe there are ghosts or spirits, why are you on this forum? That’s what I’d like to know.

My own experience with the Ouija is enough to make me more of an expert on it than someone who has never used it before (or perhaps used it incorrectly) , just by default, sorry to tell ya.

 

[XenoFish 87,048]

3 minutes ago, RomanticRoses said:

If you don’t believe there are ghosts or spirits, why are you on this forum? That’s what I’d like to know.

My own experience with the Ouija is enough to make me more of an expert on it than someone who has never used it before (or perhaps used it incorrectly) , just by default, sorry to tell ya.

 

I'm here because I can be. Just like everyone else who want to keep things on the ground. I've got 20+ years of research and practice in these things. All you've done is freak yourself out. Which is what all susceptible minds do.

[Waspie_Dwarf 12,860]

1 minute ago, RomanticRoses said:

If you don’t believe there are ghosts or spirits, why are you on this forum? That’s what I’d like to know.

Because this is a DISCUSSION forum. There would not be much discussion if only one opinion was allowed.

In fact the rules of this site (which it might be a good idea for you to read) actively encourage multiple view points:

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5f. Balanced debate: Do not make posts forbidding opposing viewpoints or make derogatory personal observations designed to dismiss or belittle another member's opinion ( such as accusing them of being mentally ill or being paid to post. ) All sides of a debate should be represented.

 

[Saru 6,762]

5 minutes ago, RomanticRoses said:

If you don’t believe there are ghosts or spirits, why are you on this forum? That’s what I’d like to know.

This forum caters to people from a wide range of social, political and religious backgrounds, it's not a "believers-only" site.

[rashore 13,627]

4 minutes ago, RomanticRoses said:

If you don’t believe there are ghosts or spirits, why are you on this forum? That’s what I’d like to know.

My own experience with the Ouija is enough to make me more of an expert on it than someone who has never used it before (or perhaps used it incorrectly) , just by default, sorry to tell ya.

 

You may be unaware of this.. but this forum is for a wide spectrum of beliefs, from the most skeptical to the most ardent believers.

[Saru 6,762]

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RomanticRoses - this is not the place to be airing your personal grievances about something that happened in another thread months ago.

If you have a complaint, bring it to me in a private message, otherwise please stick to the topic.

Thank you.

[Merc14 22,524]

On 1/14/2018 at 12:45 PM, papageorge1 said:

Although there may be charlatans out there, I believe there are also real mediums out there doing good honest work.

I have read studies of 'gifted' mediums who produced amazing results under triple-blind experimental conditions that make cold/hot readings impossible. Cold reading specialists admit they could not produce under these conditions. I am convinced that there are genuinely gifted mediums out there.

I am sure we would all really like to see this report and the actual methodology used to conduct this experiment as I am not aware of a single legit test.  Do you have a link or a name?

 

Edited April 10, 2018 by Merc14