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FISA memo set to end collusion investigation

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All hell is breaking loose in Washington D.C. after a four-page memo detailing extensive FISA court abuse was made available to the entire House of Representatives Thursday. The contents of the memo are so explosive, says Journalist Sara Carter, that it could lead to the removal of senior officials in the FBI and the Department of Justice and the end of Robert Mueller’s special counsel investigation.

Some quotes from the twitter accounts of representatives that have seen the memo.

 

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Immediately #ReleaseTheMemo #FISAMemo & ALL relevant material sourced in it. Every American needs to know the truth! We wouldn't be revealing any sources & methods that we shouldn't; only feds' reliance on bad sources & methods.

— Lee Zeldin (@RepLeeZeldin) January 19, 2018

 

Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) nods his head *Yes* before conceding he can't talk specifics when Sean Hannity asks if Comey knew about FISA abuses. #ReleaseTheMemo pic.twitter.com/CyldDY4CuZ

— Josh Caplan (@joshdcaplan) January 19, 2018

 

Releasing this classified info doesn't compromise good sources & methods. It reveals the feds' reliance on bad sources & methods.

— Lee Zeldin (@RepLeeZeldin) January 18, 2018

 

The classified report compiled by House Intelligence is deeply troubling and raises serious questions about the upper echelon of the Obama DOJ and Comey FBI as it relates to the so-called collusion investigation.

— Ron DeSantis (@RepDeSantis) January 18, 2018

 

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Gromdor

Why would a crime end the investigation into another crime? 

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Gromdor
23 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Let's say that they are investigating you for drug possession and proof emerges that the police planted drugs in your car.  That should pretty much end the investigation into drug possession.

So if I was a drug lord under investigation all I would have to do is get a dirty cop to plant evidence of guilt against myself and I would be Scott-free?  Seems legit.

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RavenHawk
16 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

So if I was a drug lord under investigation all I would have to do is get a dirty cop to plant evidence of guilt against myself and I would be Scott-free?  Seems legit.

Except in this case, you are not a drug lord.  In this case you would be somebody that threatens the drug lord's legacy and they want to get rid of you and you are just too high profile to use tried and true methods.

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Gromdor
Just now, RavenHawk said:

Except in this case, you are not a drug lord.  In this case you would be somebody that threatens the drug lord's legacy and they want to get rid of you and you are just too high profile to use tried and true methods.

So I would just need someone to plant evidence to implicate myself and I would be Scott-free?  Got it.

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RavenHawk
23 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

So I would just need someone to plant evidence to implicate myself and I would be Scott-free?  Got it.

I guess I was being too terse.  "You" or your agents are not planting evidence.  It is the apparatus that you threaten that is planting evidence.  "you" don't need to plant nor could "you".  It would be beyond your ability at the time.

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travelnjones
44 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

So if I was a drug lord under investigation all I would have to do is get a dirty cop to plant evidence of guilt against myself and I would be Scott-free?  Seems legit.

Well i think that would end all specific instances of wrong doing that were covered in the investigation of those specific crimes.  you could be tried on previous crimes and conspiracy.  Meaning you could be tried for the drug dealing, but not for the possession of the planted drugs.  

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Gromdor
14 minutes ago, travelnjones said:

Well i think that would end all specific instances of wrong doing that were covered in the investigation of those specific crimes.  you could be tried on previous crimes and conspiracy.  Meaning you could be tried for the drug dealing, but not for the possession of the planted drugs.  

That would sound more reasonable. So Trump would be cleared of what the FISA eavesdropping has on him was and nothing else?  But there hasn't been any mention of any actual eavesdropping on Trump.  I don't see how this memo would end the investigation with that logic.

 

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Gromdor
1 minute ago, preacherman76 said:

You mean you don't want to see it.

If this new information shows that the entire reason for the investigation was built on fraud and political bias, then one could only conclude the investigation should have never taken place to begin with. In turn it must end.

And what do you mean by "nothing else"? What exactly do you believe they have on him? BTW to use another analogy, if you were busted after a swat team raided your house, yet it was found in court that the search warrant used to raid your house was attained by fraudulent means, guess what? You cant be charged for the drugs they found in your house.

You don't seem to be using any logic when it comes to this matter at all. Nor do you seem to have any understanding of how the justice system works.

Here is the bottom line. If this investigation was started illegally, then its over, all of it.

Sorry you are going to have to wait to get the establishment back in office so they can continue to destroy the country. Cause it isn't happening anytime soon.

I get the logic.  Assuming Trump is guilty, his supporters are hoping that they can invalidate the warrant to get any evidence against him thrown out.  Your analogy is perfect.

Letting the investigation run it's course to prove his innocence is too much of a risk. That's why there is such a push to end the investigation.

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RavenHawk
9 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

That would sound more reasonable. So Trump would be cleared of what the FISA eavesdropping has on him was and nothing else?  But there hasn't been any mention of any actual eavesdropping on Trump.  I don't see how this memo would end the investigation with that logic.

 

And what did the FISA eavesdropping have on him?  If there was no eavesdropping then why is there a 4 page memo?  You don't need 4 pages to say that there is no evidence against Trump.  The House members that have read the memo wouldn't be calling it "shocking" if there was no evidence on Trump and they wouldn't be calling it a nothing burger if there was.  They wouldn't be asking for it to be declassified and released to the public.

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preacherman76
10 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

I get the logic.  Assuming Trump is guilty, his supporters are hoping that they can invalidate the warrant to get any evidence against him thrown out.  Your analogy is perfect.

Letting the investigation run it's course to prove his innocence is too much of a risk. That's why there is such a push to end the investigation.

No I don't think you get the logic at all. And I mean not even close. The investigation was a fraud. A witch hunt. Not based in reality what so ever. Its out right hilarious that you think they actually have something on him. What exactly do you have that leads you to believe he has committed any crime?????  

"Assuming Trump is quilty ". Ahh there is the problem. That's exactly what you people have done since day one. And even after the entire investigation exposed to be a fraud, you still think whatever they have drummed up (which is absolutely nothing far as I can tell) is somehow gonna stick?

The investigation did run its course. And its the investigators who have be found to be the criminals.  

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Gromdor
3 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

No I don't think you get the logic at all. And I mean not even close. The investigation was a fraud. A witch hunt. Not based in reality what so ever. Its out right hilarious that you think they actually have something on him. What exactly do you have that leads you to believe he has committed any crime?????  

"Assuming Trump is quilty ". Ahh there is the problem. That's exactly what you people have done since day one. And even after the entire investigation exposed to be a fraud, you still think whatever they have drummed up (which is absolutely nothing far as I can tell) is somehow gonna stick?

The investigation did run its course. And its the investigators who have be found to be the criminals.  

If it ran it's course, then how can this memo end it?

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OverSword
1 hour ago, Gromdor said:

So if I was a drug lord under investigation all I would have to do is get a dirty cop to plant evidence of guilt against myself and I would be Scott-free?  Seems legit.

You wanted an example and you got one instantaneously.  Sorry if the answer was not to your liking.

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RoofGardener

No. 

Regardless of WHY the investigation started, it is still an investigation. Providing its OWN methodologies are legal and appropriate, then it should carry on to its conclusion. 

The comparison with "planted evidence" and "drug lords" doesn't hold water. :) 

Ummmm.... unless it uncovers Evidence of Plants, of course. :P 

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32 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

No. 

Regardless of WHY the investigation started, it is still an investigation. Providing its OWN methodologies are legal and appropriate, then it should carry on to its conclusion. 

The comparison with "planted evidence" and "drug lords" doesn't hold water. :) 

Ummmm.... unless it uncovers Evidence of Plants, of course. :P 

Ummmmm....we don't know what's in the memo, but people that have read it say that not only will it end the investigation but may lead to people being incarcerated.  We don't know what's in the memo so to say that it would not end the investigation is a bit presumptuous.  I'm keeping an open mind though and acknowledge that the politicians saying that may just be dangerously partisan. (I would define being dangerously partisan if you consider your party line to be more important than the truth, like socialists)

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RoofGardener
4 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Ummmmm....we don't know what's in the memo, but people that have read it say that not only will it end the investigation but may lead to people being incarcerated.  We don't know what's in the memo so to say that it would not end the investigation is a bit presumptuous.  I'm keeping an open mind though and acknowledge that the politicians saying that may just be dangerously partisan. (I would define being dangerously partisan if you consider your party line to be more important than the truth, like socialists)

Well, thats the thing, isn't it ? The republicans say it is the end of the world. The Democrats say that it is all a fabrication. 

Well, as you say.. an open mind. :) 

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CeresExpo2000
1 hour ago, preacherman76 said:

You mean you don't want to see it.

If this new information shows that the entire reason for the investigation was built on fraud and political bias, then one could only conclude the investigation should have never taken place to begin with. In turn it must end.

And what do you mean by "nothing else"? What exactly do you believe they have on him? BTW to use another analogy, if you were busted after a swat team raided your house, yet it was found in court that the search warrant used to raid your house was attained by fraudulent means, guess what? You cant be charged for the drugs they found in your house.

You don't seem to be using any logic when it comes to this matter at all. Nor do you seem to have any understanding of how the justice system works.

Here is the bottom line. If this investigation was started illegally, then its over, all of it.

Sorry you are going to have to wait to get the establishment back in office so they can continue to destroy the country. Cause it isn't happening anytime soon.

So true.

More good news: Zogby now has President Trump at 46% Approval.

Reason: The U.S. Economy is getting better!

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Merc14

If the memo is a complete fabrication and not at all alarming or damning then why did every single democrat on the committee vote "NO" to releasing the memo to every member of congress?   If it was all a fabrication then why not keep it buried so you could continue "lying" rather than putting it all out for everyone to see?  Why would many republicans in congress demand a vote to allow the American public and press to see the memo and others demand all the info be released for public consumption? 

Here is the problem with fantasies, eventually reality hits and all the fantasies and aspersions become irrelevant and you are forced to defend the indefensible and make up ludicrous lies to explain what is obvious to all but the most deluded.   I look forward to that dance by the many true believers here.  

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CeresExpo2000

4 Page Memo is making the rounds...

FISA Court abuses!

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3 minutes ago, CeresExpo2000 said:

4 Page Memo is making the rounds...

FISA Court abuses!

I believe it is in the congressional SCIF (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility) and members of congress must go to the SCIF and read the memo there.  Unfortunately, until declassified we in the public won't see it.

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CeresExpo2000
Just now, Merc14 said:

I believe it is in the congressional SCIF (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility) and members of congress must go to the SCIF and read the memo there.  Unfortunately, until declassified we in the public won't see it.

Rush Limbaugh says he knows what it says.

Dems in trouble!

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Merc14
4 minutes ago, CeresExpo2000 said:

Rush Limbaugh says he knows what it says.

Dems in trouble!

Then someone leaked it.  I think it will be declassified soon, though, and presented to the general public but thanks for the info. 

You know what amazes me about all this?  The mainstream media has completely ignored this story the last year, not even a hint as far as I know, and it will be, arguably, the biggest story any of them will ever cover.   Even Drudge has been quiet.   Maybe they just refuse to believe it or need to see something more concrete but if the barrel was aimed at Trump they'd have ben screaming about it I am sure 

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