Tiggs Posted February 10, 2018 #1726 Share Posted February 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Merc14 said: So Steele WAS in direct contact with Shearer according to you? That was my initial point that you argued about so just trying to understand where you stand now. Honestly, there is so much we all don't know that there is no right and wrong with some of this stuff, it will take time. Still standing in the same place I began. Shearer -> Blumenthal -> Winer -> Steele. As per Steele's note he attached to the front, when he handed it over to the FBI. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc14 Posted February 10, 2018 #1727 Share Posted February 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Tiggs said: Still standing in the same place I began. Shearer -> Blumenthal -> Winer -> Steele. As per Steele's note he attached to the front, when he handed it over to the FBI. I initially responded to this: 4 hours ago, Merc14 said: Feeding intel to Steele. Remember, your gal Hillary,m jer team and her campaign didn't even know about Steele working on the dossier because she paid Fusion GPS and they were handling it? Well now we know that is a lie because her personal thugs were feeding intel directly to Steele. Tiggs: Walk me through why Steele would willingly gave the FBI a copy of Shearer's memo, with a note detailing exactly where it had been, if that were the case. My claim was Clinton's thug's were feeding information directly to Steele disproving her and her team's claim they didn't know about Steele as Fusion GPS was handling that. Were you not disagreeing with that in the above response? If so please show me why you could think that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggs Posted February 10, 2018 #1728 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Just now, Merc14 said: I initially responded to this: Tiggs: Walk me through why Steele would willingly gave the FBI a copy of Shearer's memo, with a note detailing exactly where it had been, if that were the case. My claim was Clinton's thug's were feeding information directly to Steele disproving her and her team's claim they didn't know about Steele as Fusion GPS was handling that. Were you not disagreeing with that in the above response? If so please show me why you could think that? As I said in a later response -- Steele had already written 14 of the 17 memos prior to that happening, and there's no evidence that any of the Shearer document ended up in his final 3 reports. Passing on a document to the FBI isn't the same as being fed information. If he was being fed information -- as I asked -- why would Steele willingly gave the FBI a copy of Shearer's memo, with a note detailing exactly where it had been? While we're here -- I also don't see the name Clinton in that chain. You're assuming that the link exists. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc14 Posted February 10, 2018 #1729 Share Posted February 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Tiggs said: As I said in a later response -- Steele had already written 14 of the 17 memos prior to that happening, and there's no evidence that any of the Shearer document ended up in his final 3 reports. Good enough for me. My only claim was that Hillary's personal team of thugs was feeding information directly to Steele and you agree. I never cared or commented about how much and that is, frankly, irrelevant, just that it was happening and you agree. Quote Passing on a document to the FBI isn't the same as being fed information. He did both. Quote If he was being fed information -- as I asked -- why would Steele willingly gave the FBI a copy of Shearer's memo, with a note detailing exactly where it had been? Don't know and why are his reasons relevant, that it happened is all that matters to make my point. Both your stories, have Steele getting information directly from Shearer so not sure if you want to add a third but go ahead, I am sure it will be fun to watch the next move. Quote While we're here -- I also don't see the name Clinton in that chain. You're assuming that the link exists. LOL. Ok Tiggs, have sparred with you long enough that you will never admit the obvious but to think that Sid Blumenthal and Shearer would do ANYTHING like this and Hillary wasn't in the know is absurd, but you are in the clear on that until an email shows up or one of the dirt-bags turns, and they will when the grand jury is impaneled and hard time is on the line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted February 10, 2018 #1730 Share Posted February 10, 2018 https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/02/09/us/politics/trump-blocks-release-of-memo-rebutting-republican-claims.html?referer=http://m.facebook.com/ Trump Blocks Release of Memo Rebutting Republican Claims By Michael D. Shear and Nicholas Fandos Feb. 9, 2018 WASHINGTON — President Trump on Friday blocked the release of a classified Democratic memo rebutting Republican claims that top federal law enforcement officials had abused their powers in spying on a former Trump campaign aide, a move that Democrats denounced as politically motivated hypocrisy. ***** "Democrats irresponsibly and purposely betray National Security in Memo, forcing DNI and DOJ to block release." Such propaganda. We knew they would do this and try to spin this. Truth beyond the headline is that the DNI and DOJ BOTH said that it required redaction. Constitutionally, the House and Senate don't get to declassify jack ****. That's the Executive Branch. -LS 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted February 10, 2018 #1731 Share Posted February 10, 2018 I don't think anyone here is surprised that he blocked it. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggs Posted February 10, 2018 #1732 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Just now, Merc14 said: Good enough for me. My only claim was that Hillary's personal team of thugs was feeding information directly to Steele and you agree. I never cared or commented about how much and that is, frankly, irrelevant, just that it was happening and you agree. "Feeding information" implies that Steele then used it to create the dossier. Just now, Merc14 said: He did both. You have no evidence that Steele did any more than pass a correctly labelled document to the FBI. Just now, Merc14 said: Don't know and why are his reasons relevant, that it happened is all that matters to make my point. Both your stories, have Steele getting information directly from Shearer so not sure if you want to add a third but go ahead, I am sure it will be fun to watch the next move. Most people will quickly twig that handing the FBI a roadmap of how you plan to deceive them, probably isn't the sort of thing an ex-MI6 officer tends to do. Feel free to pretend that issue doesn't exist -- but it's still going to be there, whenever you come back to it. Just now, Merc14 said: LOL. Ok Tiggs, have sparred with you long enough that you will never admit the obvious but to think that Sid Blumenthal and Shearer would do ANYTHING like this and Hillary wasn't in the know is absurd, but you are in the clear on that until an email shows up or one of the dirt-bags turns, and they will when the grand jury is impaneled and hard time is on the line. I strongly suspect Hillary knew about the Steele dossier. But neither of us can evidence it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted February 10, 2018 #1733 Share Posted February 10, 2018 5 hours ago, Tiggs said: Seemed like a pretty quick way to demonstrate that your paradox cuts both way, to me. In the Progressive mindset, only in appearance. In substance, is far from being a paradox. My reason is pretty simple: Intelligence is a raw tool, and like all raw tools it can be used for both good and evil. Well HEL-lo! Under Obama, the intel service was weaponized against the American people. We saw the evolution begin at DHS and the IRS. As the Nunes Memo demonstrates, politicians can word-lawyer intelligence to get the political result they want. He didn’t have to try too hard. I trust the intelligence community. The political appointees and politicians who use them -- not so much. I trust the rank and file. But the intel community is compartmentalized and that they are totally devoted servants to this country, it is out of character to standup against those political appointees. It was that environment that was used to twist their service. They need to be encouraged and supported to speak out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted February 10, 2018 #1734 Share Posted February 10, 2018 6 hours ago, South Alabam said: How many people changed their minds, or made up their mind to vote for Trump because of the release of these emails? Are there any facts and figures? How can we know the release of the emails to Wikileaks from Russian Hackers stole the election? I think that’s it right there. None of that changed anybody’s mind. It was the over eager attack arm of the DNC (MSM) that did them in. They twisted all the data from the polls and what-not to make it sound like Hilary was the favorite. So of course when she lost, it was the Russians hacking into our system. And now, that same MSM is in overdrive attacking Trump. But he will have the last laugh. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted February 10, 2018 #1735 Share Posted February 10, 2018 12 hours ago, CeresExpo2000 said: I expect to see Hillary in an orange jumpsuit this year. Uranium One Deal I'm not sure.... I think a prosecution might begin with a '''smaller''' matter - that's easier to pin down... ?? for example yesterday the UK Supreme Court made a judgement that created a precedent that Wikileaks cables and emails are admissible as evidence - Maybe the DNC, Podesta etc emails could be used as evidence about using a private server for official govt. business - Can't remember the details now but it was all pretty much laid out in the email communications including that Obama was also using it with a pseudonym ... I know this isn't as big as the Uranium One thing but it would perhaps have more chance of success and be a start... ? Leading to other matters in time.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted February 10, 2018 #1736 Share Posted February 10, 2018 8 hours ago, Ellapennella said: Why is it that when you look into these individuals overseeing this investigation in some way or another you find things like this about them ? https://aim4truth.org/2017/12/17/doj-inspector-general-michael-horowitz-was-handpicked-by-soros-co/ Mmm why indeed.... could it be that there is a large group of people conspiring behind closed doors to manipulate the inner workings of Govt and the democratic process...tentacles reaching into all areas - and they want their own agenda to dominate no matter what... and to hell with what the actual citizens want.... ....whadoyouthink...? this was a telling bit from your link... courtesy of the now famous Strzok... Espionage.............Machine.............Party......... Strzok said to Lisa Page “I’m a single-issue voter. Espionage Machine Party.” THERE WE HAVE IT: AN ADMISSION OF THE TREASONOUS ACTIONS OF THE AMERICAN SURVEILLANCE STATE. Strzok has used his position of public trust to attempt to control American politics and reinforce his job as the chief of counter espionage. Here we have the FBI’s counter espionage chief admitting that the FBI’s “Espionage Machine Party” is the only real power in America. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted February 10, 2018 #1737 Share Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) 13 hours ago, RavenHawk said: The Question was focused on the Dossier and Carter Page, so the pertinent info is non-trivial in nature and that is what is of interest. The Left loves to sprinkle trivial facts so that when the argument goes south for them, they can always retreat to the trivial so they can win the argument. Read back. The question had nothing specifically to do with Carter Page. You asked what had been verified and I provided an example of what had been verified with a link to an article that details more. 13 hours ago, RavenHawk said: t’s not Carter Page I’m falling on my sword to protect. It is common sense. Nothing about your Republican conspiracy theories require common sense. In fact, they require a suspension of both common sense and logic. 13 hours ago, RavenHawk said: But is there anything about Russian collusion with Trump? In the public domain? I'm sure you know the answer to that. What we do know is that there is enough evidence of his team colluding with Russia along with circumstantial evidence against he himself to warrant an investigation. Time will tell, but I strongly suspect he was being blackmailed after laundering money for Russians. Some of his property deals are pretty blatant examples of money laundering. Edited February 10, 2018 by ExpandMyMind 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted February 10, 2018 #1738 Share Posted February 10, 2018 The pee pee part of the dossier was so over the top you have to wonder if.................roll on the drums................... If Christopher Steele was a Russian Agent or a Double Agent... ..... trying to make the Clinton Camp look stupid... maybe that's why he released info about it to the press and the FBI were miffed about that.... (<<< from memory) https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2018/01/30/did-the-fbi-vouch-for-the-crazy-russian-deal-from-the-steele-dossier/#689e580b1930 I concluded immediately after the Steele dossier’s publication by BuzzFeed in January of 2017 that it was a fake. No source cited in the dossier had been willing to come forward; most of the information is hearsay or even hearsay of hearsay. There is no way that Steele’s alleged top-level Kremlin informants would spill the Kremlin’s deepest secrets to lowly Steele hirelings. Steele’s informants were therefore either fictitious, or low-level poseurs passing on gossip, OR they were doing the bidding of the Kremlin as part of a classic Russian disinformation campaign. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted February 10, 2018 #1739 Share Posted February 10, 2018 59 minutes ago, bee said: The pee pee part of the dossier was so over the top you have to wonder if.................roll on the drums................... I don't think its as over the top as you're thinking it is. Not a comment on Trump, just on human sexuality. That's a thing, and if various pornographic sites are any indicator its a relatively common thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted February 10, 2018 #1740 Share Posted February 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, Farmer77 said: I don't think its as over the top as you're thinking it is. Not a comment on Trump, just on human sexuality. That's a thing, and if various pornographic sites are any indicator its a relatively common thing. you mean prostitutes p****** on you, on a bed where Obama slept is a common thing------- who knew..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted February 10, 2018 #1741 Share Posted February 10, 2018 14 minutes ago, bee said: you mean prostitutes p****** on you, on a bed where Obama slept is a common thing------- who knew..... Bee, I didn't take you for such a prude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted February 10, 2018 #1742 Share Posted February 10, 2018 3 hours ago, bee said: Mmm why indeed.... could it be that there is a large group of people conspiring behind closed doors to manipulate the inner workings of Govt and the democratic process...tentacles reaching into all areas - and they want their own agenda to dominate no matter what... and to hell with what the actual citizens want.... ....whadoyouthink...? this was a telling bit from your link... courtesy of the now famous Strzok... Espionage.............Machine.............Party......... https://twitter.com/i/moments/816956359136645120?lang=en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted February 10, 2018 #1743 Share Posted February 10, 2018 2 hours ago, bee said: The pee pee part of the dossier was so over the top you have to wonder if.................roll on the drums................... If Christopher Steele was a Russian Agent or a Double Agent... ..... trying to make the Clinton Camp look stupid... maybe that's why he released info about it to the press and the FBI were miffed about that.... (<<< from memory) https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2018/01/30/did-the-fbi-vouch-for-the-crazy-russian-deal-from-the-steele-dossier/#689e580b1930 So, could it be that the " Sechin-Page deal " was exactly what the bad guys were going to do but are trying to blame it on Trump now that he won? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc14 Posted February 10, 2018 #1744 Share Posted February 10, 2018 9 hours ago, Gromdor said: I don't think anyone here is surprised that he blocked it. I don't anyone here is surprised that Schiff loaded it up with stuff that needed to be redacted so people like you could say things like this and guess what, everyone sees through it, but you apparently, and that is why Schiff has been relatively quiet. You, on the other hand, marched right up and jumped off the cliff. Well done. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc14 Posted February 10, 2018 #1745 Share Posted February 10, 2018 9 hours ago, Tiggs said: "Feeding information" implies that Steele then used it to create the dossier. Yep and he did. Quote You have no evidence that Steele did any more than pass a correctly labelled document to the FBI. You have nothing telling you he didn't either and given his other sources what do you think he did? Quote Most people will quickly twig that handing the FBI a roadmap of how you plan to deceive them, probably isn't the sort of thing an ex-MI6 officer tends to do. Feel free to pretend that issue doesn't exist -- but it's still going to be there, whenever you come back to it. I strongly suspect Hillary knew about the Steele dossier. But neither of us can evidence it. Someone will turn. This isn't nearly over, the truth is it is just starting and the S hasn't even gotten close to the fan. Unbelievably, the Uranium One scandal is seemingly coming to a head now and that will be a criminal trial from the beginning if it happens. Yikes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted February 10, 2018 #1746 Share Posted February 10, 2018 I, too, think that the Democratic memo contains things involving national security that need to be redacted. I also think it was done on purpose for political reasons. If Trump allows the national security information to become public he will be vilified. If Trump refuses to ok the memo until the national security information is removed he will be vilified. Win/Win situation for the Democrats...but only perhaps. I highly suspect a great many people can see right through this paticular plan. Also, if the content in the Nunes memo is shown to be highly supported by the classified information (that is not currently public) then that could make the Democrat's rebuttal memo look even more suspect. This is a risky move by Democrats IMO. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted February 10, 2018 #1747 Share Posted February 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, Merc14 said: I don't anyone here is surprised that Schiff loaded it up with stuff that needed to be redacted so people like you could say things like this and guess what, everyone sees through it, but you apparently, and that is why Schiff has been relatively quiet. You, on the other hand, marched right up and jumped off the cliff. Well done. Not really true. All that will happen now is that a Dem will take the new memo, redact anything the DOJ and FBI want, and read the thing aloud in the house and it will forever be public record. Trump was laid a trap and walked right into it. He doesn't have veto on its release - though apparently he thinks he does - so all he's done is make himself look guilty and tick another obstruction box. I'm seriously wondering if Schiff is a genius mastermind or if Nunes has simply been turned. This whole scenario couldn't have worked out worse for Trump. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted February 10, 2018 #1748 Share Posted February 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, Lilly said: I, too, think that the Democratic memo contains things involving national security that need to be redacted. I also think it was done on purpose for political reasons. If Trump allows the national security information to become public he will be vilified. If Trump refuses to ok the memo until the national security information is removed he will be vilified. Win/Win situation for the Democrats...but only perhaps. I highly suspect a great many people can see right through this paticular plan. Also, if the content in the Nunes memo is shown to be highly supported by the classified information (that is not currently public) then that could make the Democrat's rebuttal memo look even more suspect. This is a risky move by Democrats IMO. Quote He's a Republican as far as I know. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted February 10, 2018 #1749 Share Posted February 10, 2018 On 2/9/2018 at 6:08 AM, Tiggs said: Dutch Intelligence watched Russia hack the DNC in real time. US Intelligence claims that it then tracked that data being passed to Assange. If it's tinfoil hat territory, then the CIA, FBI and NSA are all wearing them. At what point did people decide that the CIA, FBI, and NSA were not credible...but Trump is...Assange is...Russia is? It's ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. And yet here we are. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted February 10, 2018 #1750 Share Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) And it's not even just our intelligence. We don't believe British intelligence. We don't believe Dutch intelligence. But RT...sure...why not? It's like we're living in Bizarro World. Edited February 10, 2018 by ChaosRose 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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