FISA memo set to end collusion investigation

[ExpandMyMind]

7 minutes ago, hacktorp said:

Except he isn't (and wasn't).

Clearly, things you "have no idea" of are not limited to names of Obama administration officials.

He himself has claimed he was an advisor to the Kremlin and US intelligence seemed to think the Russians had him compromised. But you are free to believe Page if you want. It's not as though he has a history of lying or anything.

[Gromdor]

2 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said:

He himself has claimed he was an advisor to the Kremlin and US intelligence seemed to think the Russians had him compromised. But you are free to believe Page if you want. It's not as though he has a history of lying or anything.

Honestly, I think Page is just another idiot.  But idiots like him are useful to the real deal.  That's why I think he had the FISA warrants on him.

[ian hacktorp]

30 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said:

He himself has claimed he was an advisor to the Kremlin and US intelligence seemed to think the Russians had him compromised. But you are free to believe Page if you want. It's not as though he has a history of lying or anything.

I guess it's pretty obvious why you seemingly "have no idea" of any names of Obama administration officials: next to them, given the deep, corrupt relationships they had with the Kremlin, Carter Page looks like a fresh-faced cub scout.

Also, you genuflect to the "US Intelligence community" with such reverential tones...as if they are above any and all suspicion of dirty dealings.  Yes...you truly "have no idea".

Edited February 9, 2018 by hacktorp

[Merc14]

17 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Honestly, I think Page is just another idiot.  But idiots like him are useful to the real deal.  That's why I think he had the FISA warrants on him.

If he is just an idiot then why has he not been arrested yet?   Wouldn't an idiot get caught pretty quickly and swept  up  by the FBI after spying in him for well over a year?   Or hasn't he been arrested because he is a brilliant criminal mastermind outsmarting the FBI at every turn even under tight surveillance?  You8 tell me Gromdor because presumably you only ask for FISA surveillance of an American if a crime is being committed, right?   Why is this evil spy still walking around especially when everyone, including him, knows he is under surveillance thereby rendering said surveillance useless?   

[bee]

1 hour ago, Lilly said:

Actually, it was President Obama who forbade Sidney Blumenthal from coming on board. Blumenthal had apparently concocted dirt on Obama when Mrs Clinton and Obama were fighting it out for the nomination.

 

I think that if Clinton 'goes down' she will take Obama with her and she may be using this as leverage behind the scenes....

 

[ellapenella]

59 minutes ago, kmt_sesh said:

Obama had nothing to do with this practice. The CIA initiated this security briefing originally for Kennedy, back in the 1960s. While all living past presidents get a security briefing, they do not get the full PDB, which is for the current president only. Yet true to his nature, Trump seems to prefer to skip his daily PDB and leaves it to Pence.

Here's a good article about the PDB:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-the-presidents-daily-brief/2016/12/29/eeb4bbec-c862-11e6-8bee-54e800ef2a63_story.html?utm_term=.4e3bf9d05122

Okay, the 60's. I just learned of it. Past Presidents should not have clearance to any intel no matter what. 

https://www.quora.com/Do-former-US-presidents-get-NSC-CIA-briefings

[Gromdor]

12 minutes ago, Merc14 said:

If he is just an idiot then why has he not been arrested yet?   Wouldn't an idiot get caught pretty quickly and swept  up  by the FBI after spying in him for well over a year?   Or hasn't he been arrested because he is a brilliant criminal mastermind outsmarting the FBI at every turn even under tight surveillance?  You8 tell me Gromdor because presumably you only ask for FISA surveillance of an American if a crime is being committed, right?   Why is this evil spy still walking around especially when everyone, including him, knows he is under surveillance thereby rendering said surveillance useless?   

He's bait for other morons. 

[CeresExpo2000]

14 minutes ago, bee said:

 

I think that if Clinton 'goes down' she will take Obama with her and she may be using this as leverage behind the scenes....

 

I expect to see Hillary in an orange jumpsuit this year.

Uranium One Deal

[ellapenella]

 

Where was all the uproar from the dems when   it was the Obama Justice Department that enabled the newest and most intriguing figure in the Russia-Trump investigation to enter the country without a visa.

And how long did this individual remain in our country under that DOJ ? 

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/341788-exclusive-doj-let-russian-lawyer-into-us-before-she-met-with-trump

[kmt_sesh]

6 minutes ago, Ellapennella said:

Okay, the 60's. I just learned of it. Past Presidents should not have clearance to any intel no matter what. 

https://www.quora.com/Do-former-US-presidents-get-NSC-CIA-briefings

Really? These men who once were presidents, the most powerful people on earth? So once they leave office they have no further purpose or importance? While past presidents don't receive daily briefings and are not privy to all high-level intel, they can still be of great service to our country. They need to remain informed. They can opt out of these briefings altogether, if they so prefer. What I've read, for example, is that the first Bush remains very informed on matters of national security, while the second Bush prefers only minimal updates.

I think Trump is setting a dangerous and reckless precedent by passing the buck on his PDBs.

[+OverSword]

2 hours ago, Lilly said:

No we don't. Currently no one knows why Mr Rich was killed (or even who killed him). 

As for the now infamous Steele dossier, some parts of it have indeed been corroborated. But, the material necessary for the dossier to be considered irrefutable evidence of criminal collusion with the Kremlin, no that has not been demonstrated. Were that to have happened Mueller and his team could just hang it up and proceed to 'hang' President Trump out to dry (so to speak). What comes of the dossier has yet to be determined...but it's been out for some time now and if there was any there/ there... 

God told me it was Seth Rich.

[ellapenella]

Just now, kmt_sesh said:

Really? These men who once were presidents, the most powerful people on earth? So once they leave office they have no further purpose or importance? While past presidents don't receive daily briefings and are not privy to all high-level intel, they can still be of great service to our country. They need to remain informed. They can opt out of these briefings altogether, if they so prefer. What I've read, for example, is that the first Bush remains very informed on matters of national security, while the second Bush prefers only minimal updates.

I think Trump is setting a dangerous and reckless precedent by passing the buck on his PDBs.

Some were not worthy to be the President because some  are very corrupt before & while in office. 

I understand that they know secrets and in that  they share a common ground but not all of them were for America  just because they made it in office. Is it possible that leaks can also occur  from certain past presidents receiving these briefs ?

 

 

[ellapenella]

Just now, OverSword said:

God told me it was Seth Rich.

Not funny.

[+OverSword]

2 minutes ago, Ellapennella said:

Not funny.

Who's joking?

[Lilly]

8 minutes ago, OverSword said:

God told me it was Seth Rich.

*Sigh*

[ellapenella]

17 minutes ago, kmt_sesh said:

Really? These men who once were presidents, the most powerful people on earth? So once they leave office they have no further purpose or importance? While past presidents don't receive daily briefings and are not privy to all high-level intel, they can still be of great service to our country. They need to remain informed. They can opt out of these briefings altogether, if they so prefer. What I've read, for example, is that the first Bush remains very informed on matters of national security, while the second Bush prefers only minimal updates.

I think Trump is setting a dangerous and reckless precedent by passing the buck on his PDBs.

Have you read or heard about the  "Think Mirror" that  Q Anon posted?  

Well I read this about what A mirror site means, not that Q said mirror site ,just think mirror is what was posted. 

So anyway they have everything, nothing is destroyed completely, they have it all but for  individuals, high level individuals to be convicted in a court they have to be exposed in the light then a demand for justice will happen. 

A mirror site is a website or set of files on a computer server that has been copied to another server so that the site or files are available from more than one place. A mirror site has it's own URL, but is otherwise identified to the principle site.

 

[+OverSword]

7 minutes ago, Lilly said:

*Sigh*

I think God talks to us all the time, it's up to the individual to decide when and if it's happening. 

[Lilly]

1 minute ago, OverSword said:

I think God talks to us all the time, it's up to the individual to decide when and if it's happening. 

It's a hypothesis that could have happened. But, Mr Rich could also have been the victim of a botched robbery attempt, or have witnessed something that got him killed, or it could have been personal due to some transgression no one is even aware of. As of now it remains an unsolved homicide. 

 

[ellapenella]

Who here trust Horowitz ? 

[Tiggs]

1 hour ago, Merc14 said:

Everyone, think about this, not a single intelligence agency in the world had any knowledge of a US presidential candidate  colluding with the Russians during the election, not even ours and I am sure they were looking. 

GCHQ first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious “interactions” between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, a source close to UK intelligence said. This intelligence was passed to the US as part of a routine exchange of information, they added.

Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump’s inner circle and Russians, sources said.

The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland. Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said.

Another source suggested the Dutch and the French spy agency, the General Directorate for External Security or DGSE, were contributors.

Source: The Guardian
 

1 hour ago, Merc14 said:

Then all of a sudden an ex-MI-6 agent, who had been out of MI-6 for years, with just a couple of phone calls to a couple Russians, uncovers the biggest scandal in US political history

Steele is the ex-head of MI6's Russian desk. As such, he would still have access to one of the best networks of Russian insider information in the world.
 

1 hour ago, Merc14 said:

and not a single US law enforcement agency tries to verify any of this bombshell document before going to the FISA court and using this document to open surveillance against an American citizen. 

Maybe. Maybe not.

The Democrat's rebuttal memo should become public in the next couple of days. Let's compare notes after that.
 

1 hour ago, Merc14 said:

They aren't even concerned enough to tell the FISC that the document was bought and paid for by the Clintons and the Clintons were funneling info to teh author through two of their hatchet men, hatchet men that were forbade from working with Hillary while she was SecState because of their shady backgrounds. 

As Sen. Feinstein points out here -- Steele had already written 14 of his 17 memos before he was given a copy of Shearer's document. Nor has anyone claimed that Steele used anything from Shearer's document in the final three.

Not to mention the footnote in the FISA application, disclosing that Steele's information had been politically motivated, too.

[Merc14]

1 minute ago, Tiggs said:

GCHQ first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious “interactions” between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, a source close to UK intelligence said. This intelligence was passed to the US as part of a routine exchange of information, they added.

Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump’s inner circle and Russians, sources said.

The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland. Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said.Another source suggested the Dutch and the French spy agency, the General Directorate for External Security or DGSE, were contributors.

Source: The Guardian
 

So they launched the indomitable Steele at the problem?  LMAO.  As far as "contacts" I could've told you that without any cloak and dagger, it was all over TV. 

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Steele is the ex-head of MI6's Russian desk. As such, he would still have access to one of the best networks of Russian insider information in the world.

Such a competent man that the FBI fired him. 

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Maybe. Maybe not.

The Democrat's rebuttal memo should become public in the next couple of days. Let's compare notes after that.

I only know what I hear in sworn testimony before congress.   I can post that video again to make my point, you can keep hoping

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As Sen. Feinstein points out here -- Steele had already written 14 of his 17 memos before he was given a copy of Shearer's document. Nor has anyone claimed that Steele used anything from Shearer's document in the final three.

Not to mention the footnote in the FISA application, disclosing that Steele's information had been politically motivated, too.

So what?   i never said that his dossiers were based solely on Hill's thugs (and they are thugs, just ask Bill's "bimbos").  It is obvious that info was late to the party.   Regardless, it proves her team was personally involved.

[RavenHawk]

55 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said:

What was your original question? I thought it was what has been verified? Not something about being nefarious.

The Question was focused on the Dossier and Carter Page, so the pertinent info is non-trivial in nature and that is what is of interest.  The Left loves to sprinkle trivial facts so that when the argument goes south for them, they can always retreat to the trivial so they can win the argument.

 

You can fall on your sword defending Carter Page,

It’s not Carter Page I’m falling on my sword to protect.  It is common sense.

 

a known Russian asset, all you want.

Really?  Talk about “all you want”.  If he was a spy, then why hasn’t he been arrested, interrogated, and charged?

 

At this point it's rather ridiculous, but go ahead.

right, but of course.

 

So to again answer your question: that we know of, numerous parts of the dossier have been verified.

But is there anything about Russian collusion with Trump?

[Tiggs]

1 minute ago, Merc14 said:

So they launched the indomitable Steele at the problem?  LMAO.  As far as "contacts" I could've told you that without any cloak and dagger, it was all over TV. 

Interesting. Are you now conceding that the FBI had reasonable cause to investigate the Trump campaign, after receiving information from multiple Western intelligence agencies?
 

1 minute ago, Merc14 said:

Such a competent man that the FBI fired him. 

I hear you have to be hired first, in order to be actually fired.
 

1 minute ago, Merc14 said:

I only know what I hear in sworn testimony before congress.   I can post that video again to make my point, you can keep hoping

Is that the same sworn testimony from Comey that Nunes also misquoted?
 

1 minute ago, Merc14 said:

So what?   i never said that his dossiers were based solely on Hill's thugs (and they are thugs, just ask Bill's "bimbos").  It is obvious that info was late to the party.   Regardless, it proves her team was personally involved.

Personally involved in what, exactly?

[RavenHawk]

35 minutes ago, Tiggs said:

The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland. Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said.

 

Another source suggested the Dutch and the French spy agency, the General Directorate for External Security or DGSE, were contributors.

 

Is this the same intel groups that indicated that Saddam had WMDs?

[Merc14]

21 minutes ago, Tiggs said:

Interesting. Are you now conceding that the FBI had reasonable cause to investigate the Trump campaign, after receiving information from multiple Western intelligence agencies?

Doing real estate deals in Russia is not grounds for a FISA search Tiggs.  If it was wed be surveilling a LOT more people. 

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I hear you have to be hired first, in order to be actually fired.

Euphemism. 
 

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Is that the same sworn testimony from Comey that Nunes also misquoted?

Is COmey intelligence?  I thought he was law enforcement, maybe link it Tiggs since he has changed jobss and only you knew.

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Personally involved in what, exactly?

Feeding intel to Steele.  Remember, your gal Hillary,m jer team and her campaign didn't even know about Steele working on the dossier because she paid Fusion GPS and they were handling it?   Well now we know that is a lie because her personal thugs were feeding  intel directly to Steele.