toast Posted February 17, 2018 #101 Share Posted February 17, 2018 22 minutes ago, keithisco said: With the CDU they accounted for more than 55% of the popular vote in the General Election which suggests a majority would support higher defence expenditure Nonsense. What figures you are talking about? The election results? What have these figures to do with the percentage of Germans who want higher defence expenditure or not? I tell ya: nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithisco Posted February 17, 2018 #102 Share Posted February 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, toast said: Nonsense. What figures you are talking about? The election results? What have these figures to do with the percentage of Germans who want higher defence expenditure or not? I tell ya: nothing. If you have better data then I will be happy for you to provide it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katzenking Posted February 19, 2018 #103 Share Posted February 19, 2018 On 17.2.2018 at 7:44 PM, toast said: This statement is correct from a point of view of AFD and FDP blockheads but for the others, the majority, not. Sorry to dissapoint you but I voted neither for the AFD nor FDP. You don't see any problem when the Bundeswehr is not ready for any circumstances? What we all hope will never occur. But this is, always was and I'm afraid always will be a dangerous and violent world. I am sure even many SPD-voters are able to understand this too. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted February 19, 2018 #104 Share Posted February 19, 2018 23 minutes ago, Katzenking said: Sorry to dissapoint you but I voted neither for the AFD nor FDP.You don't see any problem when the Bundeswehr is not ready for any circumstances? What we all hope will never occur. But this is, always was and I'm afraid always will be a dangerous and violent world. I am sure even many SPD-voters are able to understand this too. The Bundeswehr might have some technical problems in a few sections (helicopters/A400M for example) but I dont think it is defenceless in any kind. I dont fear any international conflict as I dont see any reason for any foreign country to attack us. The call for a stronger millitary force is a retro-utopia thats still in the heads of a lot, because grandpa told them the Russians, or whoever, are evil. I give a #@&% on such nonsense claims because they produce an endless loop downwards and especially the German history has shown, and gave a sad but informative model, that wars lead to nothing else but grief, destruction and the loss of human lifes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted February 21, 2018 Author #105 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Update to this thread: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43134896 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted February 28, 2018 #106 Share Posted February 28, 2018 German Defence Report due out tomorrow in Full reports; The vast majority of major weapons systems in the German military are unavailable for training exercises or deployment - The German Defence Ministry said that a higher number of training missions and deployments since Russia’s intervention in eastern Ukraine in 2014 had caused existing equipment to wear down quicker than it had previously. Number of weapon systems ready for action: Typhoon jets: 39 of 128 Tornado jets: 26 of 93 CH-53 transport helicopters: 16 of 72 NH-90 transport helicopters: 13 of 58 Tigre attack helicopters: 12 of 62 A400M transport aircraft: 3 of 15 Leopard 2 tanks: 105 of 224 Frigates: 5 of 13 Submarines: 0 out of 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glockornothing Posted March 1, 2018 #107 Share Posted March 1, 2018 On 2/19/2018 at 4:07 PM, toast said: The Bundeswehr might have some technical problems in a few sections (helicopters/A400M for example) but I dont think it is defenceless in any kind. I dont fear any international conflict as I dont see any reason for any foreign country to attack us. The call for a stronger millitary force is a retro-utopia thats still in the heads of a lot, because grandpa told them the Russians, or whoever, are evil. I give a #@&% on such nonsense claims because they produce an endless loop downwards and especially the German history has shown, and gave a sad but informative model, that wars lead to nothing else but grief, destruction and the loss of human lifes. Maybe they are already attacking from the inside, couple million foreign refugees later you might be outnumbered if they occupy key positions in the Government and military. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted March 1, 2018 #108 Share Posted March 1, 2018 20 hours ago, Glockornothing said: Maybe they are already attacking from the inside, couple million foreign refugees later you might be outnumbered if they occupy key positions in the Government and military. That comment is in compliance to your avatar. Sorry, but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted March 2, 2018 #109 Share Posted March 2, 2018 On 2/19/2018 at 4:07 PM, toast said: wars lead to nothing else but grief, destruction and the loss of human lifes. Yep, that's all it's good for... unfortunately, as a species, we keep choosing it as a means of conflict resolution. People just feel a need to impose their will on others and wars are this instinct, writ large. It will be the end of our current civilization, someday. NO DOUBT about that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glockornothing Posted March 2, 2018 #110 Share Posted March 2, 2018 3 hours ago, toast said: That comment is in compliance to your avatar. Sorry, but true. I know right, mind blowing, and as you said true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glockornothing Posted March 2, 2018 #111 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Maybe they could just invite the enemy to their now Merkel acknowledged no-go zones after dark, that should get rid of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted March 2, 2018 #112 Share Posted March 2, 2018 On 1/27/2018 at 0:31 AM, Hammerclaw said: The Germans have had it pounded into their skulls for generations how evil German militarism is, with the rotting albatross of another time and another generation's sins hung around their necks for good measure. You can't expect the German people to suddenly and enthusiastically go goose-stepping down the street singing the Horst Wessel Song as though every thing was hunky dory and ginger peachy again. It's going to take a paradigm shift in national and social introspective self-evaluation to get them motivated. This is all true but after 70 years it's time to look at the world with fresh eyes and a dose of reality. It's terrible to have to deal with the real world of distrust and misplaced ambition but there will always be some nation that wants to TAKE what isn't defended. Being ready in an obvious, unmistakable way is the surest path to keeping the opportunists honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted March 2, 2018 #113 Share Posted March 2, 2018 23 minutes ago, and then said: This is all true but after 70 years it's time to look at the world with fresh eyes and a dose of reality. It's terrible to have to deal with the real world of distrust and misplaced ambition but there will always be some nation that wants to TAKE what isn't defended. Being ready in an obvious, unmistakable way is the surest path to keeping the opportunists honest. Well, during the Cold War, the Bundeswehr was a formidable force to be reckoned with and--in many respects--the homegrown backbone of NATO. West Germany was an armed camp and had not known true peacetime existence until the Cold War ended. They have grown comfortable with peace and are loathe to returning to that sort of mindset. As part of the EU and backed up by France's nuclear deterrent, they don't feel the threat as keenly as you might think, nor should they. While still quite formidable, Russia is not the military juggernaut the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact once presented, in terms of conventional forces, despite all their recent posturing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted March 2, 2018 #114 Share Posted March 2, 2018 7 hours ago, Hammerclaw said: Well, during the Cold War, the Bundeswehr was a formidable force to be reckoned with and--in many respects--the homegrown backbone of NATO. West Germany was an armed camp and had not known true peacetime existence until the Cold War ended. They have grown comfortable with peace and are loathe to returning to that sort of mindset. As part of the EU and backed up by France's nuclear deterrent, they don't feel the threat as keenly as you might think, nor should they. While still quite formidable, Russia is not the military juggernaut the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact once presented, in terms of conventional forces, despite all their recent posturing. Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted March 2, 2018 #115 Share Posted March 2, 2018 1 hour ago, toast said: Well said. That being said, we both know what would happen--and with astonishing rapidity--if Deutschland actually felt it's existence threatened. Perhaps you should explain that to them. You know your country and your people and what they are capable of should the need arise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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