eight bits Posted February 21, 2018 #1426 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Crazy Horse Quote I think that AI will have something very close to consciousness, but close and actual are too different things. What would the difference between "close" and "actual" be? Is there perhaps a test of some kind? Quote For example, lets imagine some futuristic world were robots look exactly like humans in every way, they talk, play, work and even fight like humans, but, would we actually consider them human? I am unsure what your hypothetical is. If there was no way to tell humans and robots apart? What would be the alternative to treating both of them alike? If there was a way to tell them apart, then presumably we would consider them what they are: robots (and they would consider us what we are, humans). But if they are so much like us, then we could have personal relationships with them, even though we aren't the same, and at least some of us probably would. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+HerNibs Posted February 21, 2018 #1427 Share Posted February 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, Will Due said: Yes, God is good. And when everyone dedicates their will to God's Due, that's when comfort will be a true achievement, even for those people who became tired of being nasty. It'll be by design. Which god? Nibs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+HerNibs Posted February 21, 2018 #1428 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Hiya eight bits! Nibs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenWolf Posted February 21, 2018 #1429 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Will Due said: Failure is simply an educational episode—a cultural experiment in the acquirement of wisdom—in the experience of the God-seeking man who has embarked on the eternal adventure of the exploration of a universe. To such men defeat is but a new tool for the achievement of higher levels of universe reality. You reek of unhealthy narcissism. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted February 21, 2018 #1430 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Just now, eight bits said: If there was no way to tell humans and robots apart? What would be the alternative to treating both of them alike? You could start by removing the robot's batteries. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted February 21, 2018 #1431 Share Posted February 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mystic Crusader said: You reek of unhealthy narcissism. When are you gonna get tired of being nasty? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eight bits Posted February 21, 2018 #1432 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Will Quote You could start by removing the robot's batteries. That doesn't seem to relate to Crazy Horse's hypothetical. What if they don't have batteries? Whether they do or not, what does that have to do with consciousness? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted February 21, 2018 #1433 Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, HerNibs said: Which god? The one who designed you to be his son. Edited February 21, 2018 by Will Due 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenWolf Posted February 21, 2018 #1434 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Just now, Will Due said: When are you gonna get tired of being nasty? Peewee Herman "I know you are, but what am I" stuff doesn't work with me. Go look at yourself in a mirror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted February 21, 2018 #1435 Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, eight bits said: What if they don't have batteries? Then you could put a hat over their skull solar panels? Edited February 21, 2018 by Will Due 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+HerNibs Posted February 21, 2018 #1436 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Will Due said: The one who willed you to be his son. That makes no sense. Give me a name or at least which flavor of religion is the right god. Nibs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted February 21, 2018 #1437 Share Posted February 21, 2018 9 hours ago, Why not said: I usually don't like getting into these kind of discussions but, the "real science" of today could be different in a few years. Look a the ridicule Alfred Wegener received when he introduced his continental drift theory. Or the guy and his son (Alvarez I think) who had the astroid theory wiping out the dinosaurs. Point being there is a LOT of dogma in the sciences. I'm not saying every crazy idea deserves peer review but, there is also dogma in the peer review aspect of science. Please quote some of this Wegener ridicule, while keeping in mind that Wegener was WAY off track. I've not seen Alvarez ridiculed. Are you sure you're not making that up? Harte 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted February 21, 2018 #1438 Share Posted February 21, 2018 31 minutes ago, Will Due said: Yes, God is good. And when everyone dedicates their will to God's Due, that's when comfort will be a true achievement, even for those people who became tired of being nasty. It'll be by design. Will Your god is yours because you need a god, projecting your interpretation on others only validates your perspective to you whereas for us it is of no consequence. Your continuous berating and self projection hurts your ability to debate effectively or show that you have any concept as to how to create a harmonious unity. jmccr8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted February 21, 2018 #1439 Share Posted February 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, HerNibs said: Give me a name or at least which flavor of religion is the right god. I'll do my best. He has many names. Here's a few: Our Father in whom consist the universe realms Our creative Parent, who is in the center of the universe Our perfect and righteous heavenly Father Our Father who is in the mystery Glorious Father and Mother, in one parent combined Our all-faithful Source and all-powerful Center Our Father who dwells in the secret places of the universe . . . and so on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted February 21, 2018 #1440 Share Posted February 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, Harte said: Please quote some of this Wegener ridicule, while keeping in mind that Wegener was WAY off track. I've not seen Alvarez ridiculed. Are you sure you're not making that up? Harte Yes it is funny how when something is properly researched and presented that it is accepted. jmccr8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted February 21, 2018 #1441 Share Posted February 21, 2018 7 hours ago, I'mConvinced said: Indeed, this is the way in which people can claim anything is possible without having to explain any of the mechanism. "Oh science doesn't know all of the energies blah blah" is often parroted back at me by people who haven't taken the time to understand anything at all about particle physics. It's worse than that. Those people don't even know what energy is. It's similar to all the stupid claims about "frequency" from morons that don't even know what "frequency" is. Harte 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+HerNibs Posted February 21, 2018 #1442 Share Posted February 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Will Due said: I'll do my best. He has many names. Here's a few: Our Father in whom consist the universe realms Our creative Parent, who is in the center of the universe Our perfect and righteous heavenly Father Our Father who is in the mystery Glorious Father and Mother, in one parent combined Our all-faithful Source and all-powerful Center Our Father who dwells in the secret places of the universe . . . and so on. So you are saying it is NOT Odin correct? Not being sarcastic. Seriously, it is NOT Odin correct? Nibs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+HerNibs Posted February 21, 2018 #1443 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Just now, Harte said: It's worse than that. Those people don't even know what energy is. It's similar to all the stupid claims about "frequency" from morons that don't even know what "frequency" is. Harte I'm supposed to figure out what frequency I vibrate at, it will help me learn the truth. Didn't that Celestine Prophecy crap go out of vogue? Nibs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted February 21, 2018 #1444 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 minute ago, HerNibs said: So you are saying it is NOT Odin correct? Not being sarcastic. Seriously, it is NOT Odin correct? Nibs Hi Nibs Will's god can be found in the UB under channeled entries, so for him it includes all gods even if the have different defining qualities that way he can safely claim that he is a brother to all. jmccr8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MauriOra Posted February 21, 2018 #1445 Share Posted February 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, HerNibs said: I'm supposed to figure out what frequency I vibrate at, it will help me learn the truth. Didn't that Celestine Prophecy crap go out of vogue? Nibs Howsit Nibs, Celestine Prophecy, was that Synchronicity ..? Mo.xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted February 21, 2018 #1446 Share Posted February 21, 2018 7 hours ago, Crazy Horse said: It isnt a mistrust of science per se, at least not for me, but this lie that matter is all there is. In other words its Materialism not science that is the problem. I hope this puts this particular misunderstanding to bed! Plenty of scientists have their own personal spiritual beliefs and their own faith. Those things can't be measured, though, so they aren't something science is designed to address. So science doesn't try to. Harte 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+HerNibs Posted February 21, 2018 #1447 Share Posted February 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, jmccr8 said: Hi Nibs Will's god can be found in the UB under channeled entries, so for him it includes all gods even if the have different defining qualities that way he can safely claim that he is a brother to all. jmccr8 Well that isn't good. I haven't read of any god/s that aren't jealous, vengeful and/or willing to purge the planet in a fit of pique. Nibs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted February 21, 2018 #1448 Share Posted February 21, 2018 7 hours ago, Will Due said: Interesting reply. I just learned something. But if many spheres of the same exact mass follow each other, then each of them would be pulled by the one in front equally while being balanced in orbit by the one behind. Is that possible? What are they orbiting Will? Harte 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MauriOra Posted February 21, 2018 #1449 Share Posted February 21, 2018 39 minutes ago, HerNibs said: Please elaborate. Who are "these people" and uncovering what truth? Nibs Howsit again. I dont know exactly who CH, is meaning .. My thoughts, The Nasty people or Entity's, in Power, holding Humans in Slavery, through, Legalis Means of Restrictions, Control, Police Enforcement..etc.. Oh and Money .. Uncovering what truth.. That its All a Big Fat Lie ... Mo.xx 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted February 21, 2018 #1450 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Just now, HerNibs said: Well that isn't good. I haven't read of any god/s that aren't jealous, vengeful and/or willing to purge the planet in a fit of pique. Nibs yes I think it's called a gambler's faith kind of like hedging the bets. jmccr8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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