MauriOra Posted February 10, 2018 #251 Share Posted February 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, ShadowSot said: Well they base their decision on being told that chemo will not cure them and this energy healing will. And they die. Not being told the facts. Now, a medical practitioners who did that would be charged, but you can get away free for that. I think it is more then that My Friend.. Its No so cut and Dry .. These People Do Care .. Still it is their choice .. Not All Die .. Medical Practitioners, getting Charged..hmm... I've seen Doco's on them too .. Some of them weren't very Trustworthy.. I know .. Its all just Propaganda..!! Mo..xx 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted February 10, 2018 Author #252 Share Posted February 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, ChaosRose said: It is one thing if the docs have already said there's nothing they can do for you. It's entirely another if they could help, and some charlatan has convinced you to take the snake oil instead. Theres plenty they can do.. Stop giving them such huge amounts of poison for one, and start telling the truth for another. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted February 10, 2018 #253 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Just now, Crazy Horse said: Theres plenty they can do.. Stop giving them such huge amounts of poison for one, and start telling the truth for another. Your "truth" isn't actually truth, though. People have tried to demonstrate that to you, but you keep saying prove it, while not actually looking at any of the material. There are actually some situations where modern medicine is at a loss. There's nothing they can do to help. And I'm the first to admit that if I was in that predicament, or a loved one was...I'd probably try just about anything. That said, I think it's clearly unethical to profiteer on people's suffering like that. Snake oil salesmen should quit doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowSot Posted February 10, 2018 #254 Share Posted February 10, 2018 1 minute ago, MauriOra said: I think it is more then that My Friend.. Its No so cut and Dry .. These People Do Care .. Still it is their choice .. Not All Die .. Medical Practitioners, getting Charged..hmm... I've seen Doco's on them too .. Some of them weren't very Trustworthy.. I know .. Its all just Propaganda..!! Mo..xx Oh I have no doubt many of them do care. Others simply see the incentive. Most do die, very few luck out to get the spontaneous remission that we know happens, or have a tumor that is ultimately harmless. Most end up with the unfortunate result where their bowels are so riddled with cancer their system can't flush their waste and it is regurgitated instead. Doctors are people. But there is a system designed to keep them in check, to pursue them when they make bad treatments, act badly, or mislead their patients. There is none such system for people who tell you y to take a bottle for water or sugar pills, except on the most extreme cases. Even there the resulting fines often are a drop in the bucket. See the fellow who pushes the bleach cure. And yes, they are propaganda pieces. Which is why you don't trust the docs but go and check the data itself. Which in this case would show how the producer has lied, manipulated, and provided false testimony. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MauriOra Posted February 10, 2018 #255 Share Posted February 10, 2018 15 minutes ago, ChaosRose said: But they don't necessarily have to die. They're forgoing actual treatment that has a chance of success for snake oil. Don't you think the snake oil salesman has some culpability in that? No they Shouldn't Die At All .. Absolutely, Snake Salesman should get Done..!! Absolute Culpability.. That should Go for All the Salesman, Selling their Wares.. Does it though..? Snake salesman is Little Fish.. What about the Big Fish or Sharks.? Do they Deserve to Own up to Incapabilities..? In a Full Disclosure,.... Because, You do realise, we are only Directly told what we are supposed to know, and what we are supposed to know, helps keep this wheel of chaos, and confusion, and No Real Answers, Just Fors and Againsts and What choices are there.,? I side or the other .. This has to change .. Mo.xx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ShadowSot Posted February 11, 2018 #257 Share Posted February 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: Theres plenty they can do.. Stop giving them such huge amounts of poison for one, and start telling the truth for another. Potassium is a poison, and radioactive. Formeldyhyde is a poison. Most vitamins are poisonous. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted February 11, 2018 #258 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Disclosure of what? Again...you're talking as if someone is responsible for autism. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted February 11, 2018 Author #259 Share Posted February 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, ShadowSot said: That page includes references to studies and commentary, a repository of references to individual studies including one's that make the comparisons between populations you claimed to want. Instead of addressing it you attack the quality of the post itself. Just to be clear. Those studies are just cherry picking differnt stats to try and prove a certain point, they are not unbiased, they are more propagandised figures being used to push poison. Just to be clear. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowSot Posted February 11, 2018 #260 Share Posted February 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Illyrius said: Ah, memes. When you don't have the facts on your side you can always go with a bumper sticker. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MauriOra Posted February 11, 2018 #261 Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 minute ago, ChaosRose said: Disclosure of what? Again...you're talking as if someone is responsible for autism. The Whole Thing .. No, I'm not talking that, Miss Rose .. That is your Perception.. Funny things, Perceptions.. Mo..xx 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted February 11, 2018 Author #262 Share Posted February 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, ShadowSot said: Potassium is a poison, and radioactive. Formeldyhyde is a poison. Most vitamins are poisonous. How many doctors inject those things into a one day old baby? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowSot Posted February 11, 2018 #263 Share Posted February 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: Those studies are just cherry picking differnt stats to try and prove a certain point, they are not unbiased, they are more propagandised figures being used to push poison. Just to be clear. Not cherry picked. The Cochrane institute is an impartial collaboration that collects studies and does direct data analysis of them, it then produces results that reveal data of a much larger group than is normally available. You are handwaving and dismissing, but have no basis to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illyrius Posted February 11, 2018 #264 Share Posted February 11, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ShadowSot said: Ah, memes. When you don't have the facts on your side you can always go with a bumper sticker. Well something is definitely causing the epidemic of autism. Unless statistics lie. Edited February 11, 2018 by Illyrius 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowSot Posted February 11, 2018 #265 Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Crazy Horse said: How many doctors inject those things into a one day old baby? Vitamin K shots are administered at birth. Good to know you aren't aware of that. During pregnancy a woman is giving a number of vitamin supplements and shots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowSot Posted February 11, 2018 #266 Share Posted February 11, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Illyrius said: Well something is definitely causing the epidemic of authism. Unless statistics lie. Yes, because it isn't an epidemic. Autism was known before it was officially termed, the rate increase jumped when they expanded it to include asperger and other mental disorders now listed as autism spectrum disorders However the rate has not increased, it's stayed relatively flat while the frequent claims that the things that cause it, rate or shots, thimerosal, have had no effect on the rate. It's easy to repeat what others are saying, no so easy to check the facts. Edited February 11, 2018 by ShadowSot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted February 11, 2018 Author #267 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Just now, ShadowSot said: Not cherry picked. The Cochrane institute is an impartial collaboration that collects studies and does direct data analysis of them, it then produces results that reveal data of a much larger group than is normally available. You are handwaving and dismissing, but have no basis to do. The reports I just looked at, they were cherry picking certain data, within certain age groups for example, to make certain points, and yes, I have every basis to hand wave as you call it, with the amount of suffering being caused. Its absolutley disgusting. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illyrius Posted February 11, 2018 #268 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Just now, ShadowSot said: Yes, because it isn't an epidemic. Autism was known before it was officially termed, the rate increase jumped when they expanded it to include asperger and other mental disorders now listed as autism spectrum disorders However the rate has not increased, it's stayed relatively flat while the frequent claims that the things that cause it, rate or shots, thimerosal, have had no effect on the rate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted February 11, 2018 Author #269 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Just now, ShadowSot said: Not cherry picked. The Cochrane institute is an impartial collaboration that collects studies and does direct data analysis of them, it then produces results that reveal data of a much larger group than is normally available. You are handwaving and dismissing, but have no basis to do. The reports I just looked at, they were cherry picking certain data, within certain age groups for example, to make certain points, and yes, I have every basis to hand wave as you call it, with the amount of suffering being caused. Its absolutley disgusting. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowSot Posted February 11, 2018 #270 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Just now, Crazy Horse said: The reports I just looked at, they were cherry picking certain data, within certain age groups for example, to make certain points, and yes, I have every basis to hand wave as you call it, with the amount of suffering being caused. Its absolutley disgusting. Yet you take a single study and campion it. You are doing what you claim the article, which contains several references, are doing. There are far more than just that article, of course. There are the Cochran results, the number of other studies on pub media, on Nature. Rather famously the Anti Vaccination Network accidently produced a result that debunked their claims in a study they funded. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MauriOra Posted February 11, 2018 #271 Share Posted February 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, ShadowSot said: Oh I have no doubt many of them do care. Others simply see the incentive. And I have No Doubt also .. That Many in the Medical Profession Do Care .. Others Simply See the Incentive ..... Mo..xx 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowSot Posted February 11, 2018 #272 Share Posted February 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Illyrius said: Yes, and if you look into diagnostic criteria and diagnostic methods, they have increased. People who would not have been diagnosed as autistic in 2000 or 1980, just retarded or disruptive or lazy, are now being diagnosed as autistic. Cancer diagnosis have also increased, with the emergence of MRI and XRays. No one dies of old age anymore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted February 11, 2018 #273 Share Posted February 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, MauriOra said: The Whole Thing .. No, I'm not talking that, Miss Rose .. That is your Perception.. Funny things, Perceptions.. Mo..xx What whole thing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowSot Posted February 11, 2018 #274 Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 minute ago, MauriOra said: And I have No Doubt also .. That Many in the Medical Profession Do Care .. Others Simply See the Incentive ..... Mo..xx Yes, which is why it's great there's a system for them to be held responsible, that there are regulations, lawsuits, and testing that has to be required. Several decades of it on many cases, before drugs or treatment methods can be released to the public. And extensive training required of doctors, who can then be disbarred and sued. Meanwhile the fellow who falsified data on Mr and vaccines for 10000 dollars charges speaking fees and gets tours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illyrius Posted February 11, 2018 #275 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Just now, ShadowSot said: Yes, and if you look into diagnostic criteria and diagnostic methods, they have increased. People who would not have been diagnosed as autistic in 2000 or 1980, just retarded or disruptive or lazy, are now being diagnosed as autistic. Cancer diagnosis have also increased, with the emergence of MRI and XRays. No one dies of old age anymore. That rises the question like for example... ummmm... will every religious or spiritual person soon be diagnosed as psychotic? Medicine and diagnoses are cute 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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