MMR Vaccine and the link to AUTISIM.

[GlitterRose]

You actually think the people who are offering grants are writing the textbooks?

It's pretty easy to find out who writes the textbooks.

It's like you don't want to actually know anything.

[Crazy Horse]

2 minutes ago, ShadowSot said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then they're doing a poor job of it. 

Yes they are, but thats no reason to introduce GMOs. 

 

 

[rashore]

Ok folks, this topic has really gotten off the rails again. So again, I ask that everyone keep on topic.. and of course as always keep the conversation courteous and civil please.

[Crazy Horse]

1 minute ago, ChaosRose said:

You actually think the people who are offering grants are writing the textbooks?

It's pretty easy to find out who writes the textbooks.

It's like you don't want to actually know anything.

No, but they only offer grants to scientists who toe the line, if someone steps outside the standard way of thinking, their whole carriers can be ruined.

Just like the the drug companies who sponcered TV shows in the US, if the TV producers don't toe the sponcers line, the money is pulled. Its totally corrupt.

[ShadowSot]

2 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

Yes they are, but thats no reason to introduce GMOs. 

 

Simply put, traditional organic crops require larger land use, greater amount of pesticides, greater amounts of fertilizer, and on average produce lower crop sizes. 

 The fruits are smaller, and lack nutritional load developed in GM crops. 

Where GM crops have been introduced, they've either saved lives, see the work of Normal Borlaug, or saved economies. 

To produce food for an ever expanding population, it's one needed tool. 

 Or we can continue to cut down forests for farm land and drain aquifers and add extra pollutants to the soil. 

[GlitterRose]

3 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

No, but they only offer grants to scientists who toe the line, if someone steps outside the standard way of thinking, their whole carriers can be ruined.

Just like the the drug companies who sponcered TV shows in the US, if the TV producers don't toe the sponcers line, the money is pulled. Its totally corrupt.

Tow the line?

Well...yeah...they shouldn't be frauds. They do need to not be frauds like Wakefield. 

And they do need to follow ethics rules. They can't be giving children unnecessary colonoscopies and lumbar punctures like he did. 

And they can't have financial conflicts of interest that affect the research.

So yeah...they gotta tow the line. 

I'm glad they have to. 

[ShadowSot]

6 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

No, but they only offer grants to scientists who toe the line, if someone steps outside the standard way of thinking, their whole carriers can be ruined.

Yeahp, certainly don't have awards handed out to people who bucked the trends and developed new and innovative treatments and the US doesn't have a long tradition of it or a lions share of such awards. 

 And the people who make these claims certainly aren't charging huge speaking fees, making book tours, running their own clinics, and getting large financial kickbacks. 

[ShadowSot]

Or like the Health Ranger, making and dispersing hit lists against medical doctors and calling for them to be shot on site, and escaping without even a slap on the wrist. 

 It's hard to say I take it personally, but there were a few people I consider friends on that list as well as acquaintances. 

[Crazy Horse]

4 minutes ago, ChaosRose said:

Tow the line?

Well...yeah...they shouldn't be frauds. They do need to not be frauds like Wakefield. 

And they do need to follow ethics rules. They can't be giving children unnecessary colonoscopies and lumbar punctures like he did. 

And they can't have financial conflicts of interest that affect the research.

So yeah...they gotta tow the line. 

I'm glad they have to. 

No, toe the line, as in, The Toe-Rag had to toe the line, good grief, wake up!

[Crazy Horse]

1 minute ago, ShadowSot said:

Or like the Health Ranger, making and dispersing hit lists against medical doctors and calling for them to be shot on site, and escaping without even a slap on the wrist. 

 It's hard to say I take it personally, but there were a few people I consider friends on that list as well as acquaintances. 

What are you going on about now?

Who mentioned the Health Ranger?

[ShadowSot]

2 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

What are you going on about now?

Who mentioned the Health Ranger?

I'm using him as an example of how these people get treated differently than medical professionals. 

 If an average person, let alone a medical professional or politician made a similar lost and death threat against people you'd have at best a lawsuit and at worst jail time. 

 Meanwhile he skates around the law and gets a pass. 

 And that's the sort of person you're associating with. 

[Crazy Horse]

3 minutes ago, ShadowSot said:

 

 And that's the sort of person you're associating with. 

Thats a bit of a stretch, you introduced the guy into this thread, set him up, knock him down! And try to put me down a collateral damage - I don't think so.

I mean I could say the same thing about you, associating with baby killers, who dont actually threaten to kill someone, they do it on a daily basis. 

Baby killing appologist...

 

[ShadowSot]

Just now, Crazy Horse said:

Thats a bit of a stretch, you introduced the guy into this thread, set him up, knock him down! And try to put me down a collateral damage - I don't think so.

I mean I could say the same thing about you, associating with baby killers, who dont actually threaten to kill someone, they do it on a daily basis. 

Baby killing appologist...

 

Except it's your claim that they are killing babies, that's not even the claim of these folks. 

 Of course I could point out that the data shows that rates of child death in the US is over all low, except in places tm where vaccines and medical intervention are actively avoided. 

But that's living statistics. Unlike the statistics you use to support your claims. Which come from the same source. Again, you've set up a catch 22 for yourself.

As for it being a setup, HR is partnered with Andrew Wakefield, who also was heavily involved in the film you posted. 

It's a day later, have you looked into any of the data claimed in the video yet? The original sources, not the quotes from them 

[Crazy Horse]

Just now, ShadowSot said:

didn't t it's your claim that they are killing babies, that's not even the claim of these folks. 

 

You didnt watch the video did you?

If you did you would have seen the part about how premature babies, when they are given their fisrt shot, on day 1, that there has to be a specialist team in the room because these babies are dying all the time. The negative reaction happens too often for them not to be there.

The US has the highest baby death rate in the whole industrial world.

[ShadowSot]

Just now, Crazy Horse said:

You didnt watch the video did you?

If you did you would have seen the part about how premature babies, when they are given their fisrt shot, on day 1, that there has to be a specialist team in the room because these babies are dying all the time. The negative reaction happens too often for them not to be there.

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Oh wow, premies. The ones that would die if no intervention was done? 

That are high risk for survival? 

Do you know why vitamin k is administered? 

Preemies aren't a sole issue in the US. They're the leading cause of infant death around the world, specifically because of the extreme risk involved to the child.  And yes, it requires specialists to administwr treatments. It's not covered by a normal obygen. 

It's worth noting the US counts preemies that the other parts of the world wouldn't make an attempt on, which skews numbers. 

 And yes, preemies do die a lot, depending on what stage of development they are. Before 26 weeks is an even chance whether or not they'll survive. Left alone they will die. 

16 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

The US has the highest baby death rate in the whole industrial world.

The US is alone in not having a universal health care system and so for many mothers screening and medical checkups don't happen, and we have a much shorter maternity leave meaning parents spend less time with their child. 

 These are notably against recommendations. 

[ShadowSot]

And yes, I did watch the film when it originally came out. Which was a year ago or so? 

[Crazy Horse]

7 minutes ago, ShadowSot said:

Oh wow, premies. The ones that would die if no intervention was done? 

That are high risk for survival? 

Do you know why vitamin k is administered? 

Preemies aren't a sole issue in the US. They're the leading cause of infant death around the world, specifically because of the extreme risk involved to the child.  And yes, it requires specialists to administwr treatments. It's not covered by a normal obygen. 

It's worth noting the US counts preemies that the other parts of the world wouldn't make an attempt on, which skews numbers. 

 And yes, preemies do die a lot, depending on what stage of development they are. Before 26 weeks is an even chance whether or not they'll survive. Left alone they will die. 

The US is alone in not having a universal health care system and so for many mothers screening and medical checkups don't happen, and we have a much shorter maternity leave meaning parents spend less time with their child. 

 These are notably against recommendations. 

"Oh premmies"

Yes premature babies are a world wide phenomena, only the US has the highest mortality rate going - the best tech, and the highest death rate - go figure right!

Why are you lot so bad at this, what is behind the high number of baby deaths, no, not just the "premmies" but the whole lot?

[Crazy Horse]

14 minutes ago, ShadowSot said:

And yes, I did watch the film when it originally came out. Which was a year ago or so? 

You think that video is the film Vaxxed?

Good grief Charlie Brown..

[Hre2breal]

8 hours ago, Torchwood said:

weve been over this already, nobody is giving the MMR jab to 1 day old babies.

Watch the video of the OP...

[Hre2breal]

8 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

"Oh premmies"

Yes premature babies are a world wide phenomena, only the US has the highest mortality rate going - the best tech, and the highest death rate - go figure right!

Why are you lot so bad at this, what is behind the high number of baby deaths, no, not just the "premmies" but the whole lot?

Great question CH..

[ShadowSot]

12 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

"Oh premmies"

Yes premature babies are a world wide phenomena, only the US has the highest mortality rate going - the best tech, and the highest death rate - go figure right!

Why are you lot so bad at this, what is behind the high number of baby deaths, no, not just the "premmies" but the whole lot?

We don't have a universal health service. You seem to have missed this point. 

 We don't have assured medical care, and many people avoid costs because of this. This increases the chances of undetected complications. 

It's recommended that parents have have longer leave. The US has the shortest in developed world. 

 At a guess, I'd also add the prevalence of unneeded c sections. 

Those things effect mortality. That's off the top of my head from what I know about the medical industry as it stands. Yes we have some of the best medical care. It is not affordable to everyone. 

 Edit: The US has five extra deaths per compared to England. There doesn't need to be a lot of complications to push those numbers up. 

Edited February 11, 2018 by ShadowSot

[ShadowSot]

7 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

You think that video is the film Vaxxed?

Good grief Charlie Brown..

Then which video, that's the only one I saw in the thread aside from mine. Your only qualification was "the video." seems pretty reasonable to go with the video that started this thread. 

Edited February 11, 2018 by ShadowSot

[Crazy Horse]

2 minutes ago, ShadowSot said:

 

 

2 minutes ago, ShadowSot said:

Then which video, that's the only one I saw in the thread aside from mine. Your only qualification was "the video." seems pretty reasonable to go with the video that started this thread. 

Yes the video that started this thread is not the film Vaxxed. Its a discussion about the film and some other bits too.

So did you watch the video in the OP, the one that stated how the US has the highest baby mortality in the industrialised world?

[ShadowSot]

1 minute ago, Crazy Horse said:

 

Yes the video that started this thread is not the film Vaxxed. Its a discussion about the film and some other bits too.

So did you watch the video in the OP, the one that stated how the US has the highest baby mortality in the industrialised world?

Nope. So far doesn't look like I need to. 

 How much of an effect does a lack of universal health care have on health? 

[ShadowSot]

It's not the video, yet all you've done is reference the points from vaxxed, for the most part. Except for many, many, many tangents.