Alberta-B.C. pipeline fight

[Podo]

On 2/11/2018 at 9:54 AM, Daughter of the Nine Moons said:

 

I would be extremely surprised if the BC government willingly relents to the pipeline, especially considering that we now have an NDP government who at least sorta seem to care about the environment. The only way the pipeline is going to happen is if Ottawa mandates it, enforces it (somehow), and agrees to take responsibility for when something goes wrong.

As such, I really doubt that it will ever happen.

[glorybebe]

4 minutes ago, Podo said:

I would be extremely surprised if the BC government willingly relents to the pipeline, especially considering that we now have an NDP government who at least sorta seem to care about the environment. The only way the pipeline is going to happen is if Ottawa mandates it, enforces it (somehow), and agrees to take responsibility for when something goes wrong.

As such, I really doubt that it will ever happen.

I don't know, there have been mentionings of bringing in enforcement to make sure that this goes through.  It frustrates me to no end thay we live here and we are told what we have to do with our environment.  

[glorybebe]

It’s the latest in a series of steps Alberta is taking in the face of a pipeline battle with British Columbia. 

The website, Keep Canada Working, was unveiled Tuesday.

http://theprovince.com/news/politics/petition-on-pipelines-alberta-government-releases-website-fighting-b-c/wcm/8f71f00d-97c0-448f-b672-ff8e5def7467

 

How about a site Keep Canada Green? 

[Podo]

35 minutes ago, glorybebe said:

It’s the latest in a series of steps Alberta is taking in the face of a pipeline battle with British Columbia. 

The website, Keep Canada Working, was unveiled Tuesday.

http://theprovince.com/news/politics/petition-on-pipelines-alberta-government-releases-website-fighting-b-c/wcm/8f71f00d-97c0-448f-b672-ff8e5def7467

 

How about a site Keep Canada Green? 

The only real comment I have on this is as follows: **** Alberta, seriously. They've always been a backwater, and now they're just proving it.

[Likely Guy]

3 hours ago, Podo said:

The only real comment I have on this is as follows: **** Alberta, seriously. They've always been a backwater, and now they're just proving it.

I'm BC, 10 ways to Sunday, but that is no way to open a negotiation.

[Podo]

17 hours ago, Likely Guy said:

I'm BC, 10 ways to Sunday, but that is no way to open a negotiation.

I agree. I'd make a terrible negotiator or diplomat. This is why I'm expressing frustration over the internet in a space designated for it, rather than throwing eggs at Notley's house. I am not a subtle man.

[Likely Guy]

On 2/14/2018 at 11:08 AM, Podo said:

I agree. I'd make a terrible negotiator or diplomat. This is why I'm expressing frustration over the internet in a space designated for it, rather than throwing eggs at Notley's house. I am not a subtle man.

I've mellowed in recent years.

In '86 I lived in Manitoba and said to my Winnipegger friends that, "you're all easterners". They were stunned and appalled at my comment..

Years ago though the historian Jean Barman wrote a book titled, "The West Beyond the West". We're entirely different

[glorybebe]

'Science is being ignored': prominent Alberta professor sides with B.C. on pipeline

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/british-columbia/alberta-ecology-professor-sides-with-b-c-on-pipeline-1.4542335

It's not just scientific research and answers that are lacking, Schindler says, but also commitment to promises during the 2015 United Nations Climate Change Conference held in Paris.

"From what I see, we are not taking this commitment very seriously at all," he said. "We are taking a very 'head in the sand' approach to the problem."

[+OverSword]

Good luck in your battle BC.  Washington recently won the battle to keep coal exports to Asia from going through our state.  I'm wishing my northern cousins the same success.

[glorybebe]

2 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Good luck in your battle BC.  Washington recently won the battle to keep coal exports to Asia from going through our state.  I'm wishing my northern cousins the same success.

Thank you.  I am hoping that more than those in the Western Provinces become aware of this issue.  We have to make sure that the environment is not abused more than it is now.  We are destroying our home, the place that gives us supplies for life.  We all need to step back and look at what is most important.  I want my daughter to have a home, not a waste land.

[+OverSword]

Oregon, Washington, and British Columbia are some of the most beautiful and clean places on the continent, let's keep it that way.

[Dark_Grey]

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"If you were looking at making a multi-billion dollar investment in Canada," he said, "And you saw a project that had gone through all of the processes; public hearings, all sorts of conditions set, the approval by the government."

"And then you found that the sub-national government — the province — would simply step in and frustrate it, you would think twice about whether this was a good place to invest."

 

Based on what I've read over the last day or so, Canada's economy may not survive on the world stage over the next decade if we don't get smart with our exports. We are spending too much while  restricting business that would boost our national interests. That's the real gist of what's happening here. BC is attempting to halt a Federally approved project that is really a long term investment for the country. 

I am all for protecting the environment, I really am, but natural resources are our bread and butter in the global market and we can't just pull them off the table because of infighting. Remember, all environmentalism takes a backseat in a struggling economy so choking ourselves out benefits no one in the end.

[glorybebe]

We need to look at alternatives for oil and gas.  We need to stop destroying our environment for money right now and to look for the future.

[Podo]

1 hour ago, glorybebe said:

We need to look at alternatives for oil and gas.  We need to stop destroying our environment for money right now and to look for the future.

The problem is that too many people would rather focus on profit rather than look to any sort of future. Profits mean nothing if there is no environment around to support it. 

[glorybebe]

What I find crazy about this whole thing is that the BC Premier said he was considering a restriction.  He wants to look at the science to ensure it's safety.   He did not say he was saying a flat out 'no'.  Now we have the Alberta government going on a full out attack.  Does the AB Premier not think she is looking  like a bully to us?

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The Alberta government has taken its next step in the ongoing dispute between its province and British Columbia. Alberta has taken out a full page advertisement in the Vancouver Sun, Province newspaper, Victoria Times-Colonist, the Globe and Mailand the National Post pointing fingers at NDP premier John Horgan and his B.C. government.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4039083/alberta-government-says-b-c-breaking-rules-of-confederation-in-full-page-newspaper-ad/

[Podo]

18 hours ago, glorybebe said:

What I find crazy about this whole thing is that the BC Premier said he was considering a restriction.  He wants to look at the science to ensure it's safety.   He did not say he was saying a flat out 'no'.  Now we have the Alberta government going on a full out attack.  Does the AB Premier not think she is looking  like a bully to us?

https://globalnews.ca/news/4039083/alberta-government-says-b-c-breaking-rules-of-confederation-in-full-page-newspaper-ad/

She doesn't care how she looks because the rest of the country doesn't care about BC, AB, or SK. We're just the nebulous "west" and don't matter to individuals on a national scale.

[glorybebe]

Alberta ends B.C. wine boycott after B.C. premier announces court action on pipeline standoff

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/british-columbia/alberta-ends-b-c-wine-boycott-after-b-c-premier-announces-court-action-on-pipeline-standoff-1.4547754

That was fast. An hour after Horgan announced court action.  

[khol]

I give Horgan much credit for stepping up as he has. Is it political oppurtunism or is he genuinly sincere ? Either way he is stalling progress and bringing to light the importance of the enviormental issues on this project. 

https://www.thestar.com/vancouver/2018/04/09/a-lot-of-strategic-stupidity-experts-not-surprised-by-pipeline-pull-back.html

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/kinder-morgan-puts-brakes-on-trans-mountain-pipeline-activities-1.4610626

http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/support-for-kinder-morgan-pipeline-expansion-grows-in-b-c-new-poll

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/06/04/leakless-pipeline_n_16947974.html

Moving forward I am unsure how this will play out..personally I am all about the enviorment but also understand the reliance we all have on fossil fuels. Its undeniable. Projects like this can be a means to an end by funding research and development into more sustainable energy resources.But then you have to ask yourself would revenue be justly used in that regard? And what exactly are  the odds of a spill and the repurcussions.

Trudeau may push this through but I have to admitt it looks like all the unanswered questions show indicators that we're probably not ready for this project

[glorybebe]

I guess it is time to start cycling to work.

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Alberta passes bill 'to turn off the taps' to B.C. over pipeline delays

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-rachel-notley-kinder-morgan-morneau-response-1.4665443

 

And I am glad Alberta cares about their environment and disregards our concern for ours:

Alberta creates world's largest protected boreal forest

https://www.google.com/amp/edmontonjournal.com/news/politics/alberta-creates-worlds-largest-protected-boreal-forest/amp

 

 

[glorybebe]

Crews cleaning up oil spill at Kinder Morgan station north of Kamloops, B.C.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/crews-cleaning-up-oil-spill-at-kinder-morgan-station-north-of-kamloops-b-c-1.4680244

 

And we are not yo worry about a major leak of bitumen coming through their pipes...

[Farmer77]

On ‎5‎/‎27‎/‎2018 at 10:52 PM, glorybebe said:

Crews cleaning up oil spill at Kinder Morgan station north of Kamloops, B.C.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/crews-cleaning-up-oil-spill-at-kinder-morgan-station-north-of-kamloops-b-c-1.4680244

 

And we are not yo worry about a major leak of bitumen coming through their pipes...

Yikes in such a beautiful place too  

[Podo]

Aaaaand the feds bought the pipeline, thus revealing their wholesale disregard for the environment, scientific assessment, native land rights, and basic decency.

2020 is going to be a very interesting election.

[Likely Guy]

3 hours ago, Podo said:

Aaaaand the feds bought the pipeline, thus revealing their wholesale disregard for the environment, scientific assessment, native land rights, and basic decency.

2020 is going to be a very interesting election.

You'll probably find this interesting as well:

Did Canada buy an oil pipeline in fear of being sued by China?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/31/justin-trudeau-kinder-morgan-pipeline-china-did-he-fear-being-sued

[Dark_Grey]

3 hours ago, Podo said:

Aaaaand the feds bought the pipeline, thus revealing their wholesale disregard for the environment, scientific assessment, native land rights, and basic decency.

2020 is going to be a very interesting election.

The State just nationalized a private project. The previous pipelines were built by private energy companies and essentially cost the tax payer nothing. Now, the Gov bought the entire project to the tune of billions and guess who's on the hook? I can't WAIT for the next Federal election  even Trudeau's supporters are scratching their heads. This guy is only in office to pass favors between the rich, apparently.

Edited May 31, 2018 by Dark_Grey
"project", not "contract"

[Podo]

26 minutes ago, Likely Guy said:

You'll probably find this interesting as well:

Did Canada buy an oil pipeline in fear of being sued by China?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/31/justin-trudeau-kinder-morgan-pipeline-china-did-he-fear-being-sued

Actual footage of me upon reading this:

17 minutes ago, Dark_Grey said:

The State just nationalized a private project. The previous pipelines were built by private energy companies and essentially cost the tax payer nothing. Now, the Gov bought the entire project to the tune of billions and guess who's on the hook? I can't WAIT for the next Federal election  even Trudeau's supporters are scratching their heads. This guy is only in office to pass favors between the rich, apparently.

It's ridiculous. Exactly nobody is happy with this decision. The left is angry because it is going to destroy the environment and seize unceded native territory, while the Conservatives are now angry because it will now be tax money being used. Exactly nobody likes this decision, aside from probably Notley herself, and her terrible government.