+Hammerclaw Posted July 17, 2022 #701 Share Posted July 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: And for anyone who’s seen Thor: Love and Thunder we’ve seen how that went for Zeus. cormac Crom, Mitra and Set! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted July 17, 2022 #702 Share Posted July 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Hammerclaw said: No. The Great Dying was caused by the inadvertent introduction of Old World diseases to which Native Americans had little resistance. In as little as a hundred years, the population of the Americas, perhaps a 150 million, was reduced to only two or three million. If this had not happened, the history of the colonial era in the New World would have resembled that of India or Australasia. It really doesn’t matter “how” they did it the fact remains that they did it, inadvertent or not. cormac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted July 17, 2022 #703 Share Posted July 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said: Crom, Mitra and Set! Asgardians rule, Olympians drool. cormac 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted July 17, 2022 #704 Share Posted July 17, 2022 40 minutes ago, kingsway said: thats your opinion xenofish Just like everyone else who thinks they know what God is. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted July 17, 2022 #705 Share Posted July 17, 2022 Just now, cormac mac airt said: It really doesn’t matter “how” they did it the fact remains that they did it, inadvertent or not. cormac No, THEY did not do it, disease did, and are not accountable, any more than we can hold the Chinese people accountable for the ravages of a disease that originated in their country. S#&t happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted July 17, 2022 #706 Share Posted July 17, 2022 13 hours ago, oslove said: The fact is that no one educated and with good intelligence and skill in reasoning process takes Zeus seriously at all. You have a lot in common with Zeus then. 13 hours ago, oslove said: So, I am sorry for you Riyeh, you are not qualified to know the existence of God today, Whom the most educated intelligent and reasonable humans like Christians, Muslims, and Orthodox Jews concur to exist, as the permnent self-existent creator and operator of man and the universe and everything transient. Just as well I'm not responding to someone intelligent and reasonable, but rather someone who presents a low effort "god of gaps". 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchopwn Posted July 17, 2022 #707 Share Posted July 17, 2022 On 2/11/2018 at 3:39 AM, oslove said: Dear colleagues here, my purpose is to get your reactions on my idea that man, that is you and me, does come to the existence of God from examining what is existence. This will only happen if you begin your inquiry from the position of a believing Christian. It isn't a logical outcome. If you come at the question as a Hindu, you will get a Hindu answer. If you come at the question as an atheist, you will get an atheist answer. There is nothing intrinsically true about the idea of there being a god, in fact, if anything a properly open mind would have to conclude that the God of the Bible is a very unlikely candidate for being real or true, because the Bible makes false assumptions about the universe, like planet Earth having a ceiling called a "firmament" which has stars impressed into it like you would find on stucco. On 2/11/2018 at 3:39 AM, oslove said: Existence is what we experience with our senses in particular our consciousness, for example we experience the nose in our face, babies, roses, the sun in the sky at daytime and the moon in the sky at night, they all are instances of existence: and it is by our senses and in particular our consciousness that we come to know what is existence. That definition may logically lead to solipsism. If all we have is experience and consciousness, and no recognition of external consciousnesses, you have already disproven any god that is not you. On 2/11/2018 at 3:39 AM, oslove said: God in concept is first and foremost the creator cause of everything with a beginning. But why superimpose this "God" onto a universe that doesn't need him to explain anything? The universe is far more credibly the product of physical processes that we can still observe working. Worse still, if you then start saying "science cannot explain everything, ergo, whatever science can't explain is proof of God" (aka the God of the Gaps argument), then you wind up with the ugly situation where anything we presently do not know becomes your God, which means you are worshipping Human Ignorance, which must be considered the most heinous and grotesque example of idolatry I can imagine. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted July 17, 2022 #708 Share Posted July 17, 2022 5 hours ago, Hammerclaw said: No, THEY did not do it, disease did, and are not accountable, any more than we can hold the Chinese people accountable for the ravages of a disease that originated in their country. S#&t happens. Certain groups, like the Puritans just took advantage of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted July 17, 2022 #709 Share Posted July 17, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Piney said: Certain groups, like the Puritans just took advantage of it. Yeah, I've heard the story, but the Pox first came to Fort Pitt from the Indians, so it doesn't seem like they needed to be infected. Sounds unlikely, a tall tale. Edited July 17, 2022 by Hammerclaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted July 17, 2022 #710 Share Posted July 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said: Yeah, I've heard the story, but the Pox first came to Fort Pitt from the Indians, so it doesn't seem like they needed to be infected. Sounds unlikely, a tall tale. I'm talking pre-Penn's Colony when the Mayflower landed and the colonists found empty villages to loot. Then there is the pre-contact, pre-Susquehanna Shenks Ferry Culture. They were a Siouian Tribe who were mostly wiped out then absorbed by Susquehannock who broke from the Oneida and moved down into PA because they wanted no part of the 5 tribe confederacy. 3 separate plagues ran through the Delaware Valley between 1635 and 1690 opening up room for more Quaker settlement. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted July 17, 2022 #711 Share Posted July 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Piney said: I'm talking pre-Penn's Colony when the Mayflower landed and the colonists found empty villages to loot. Then there is the pre-contact, pre-Susquehanna Shenks Ferry Culture. They were a Siouian Tribe who were mostly wiped out then absorbed by Susquehannock who broke from the Oneida and moved down into PA because they wanted no part of the 5 tribe confederacy. 3 separate plagues ran through the Delaware Valley between 1635 and 1690 opening up room for more Quaker settlement. Two hundred or so years before that, one disease after another ravaged much of both continents, exacerbated by further Spanish inroads into North America, particularly the Southeast, decimating the mound building civilizations. The dying continued wherever hitherto unexposed populations encountered Europeans or new diseases made it across the pond. The settlers certainly did take advantage of the situation either through overt actions or responding to the population decline by moving deeper into Indian lands. Any way you look at it, it sucked for the Indians. If it wasn't for the diseases, instead of communities and nations of thousands, the Europeans would have encountered tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, cities with populations greater than London or Paris. With no diseases, no population decline, settlement would have been precarious at best, in most case untenable as the Norse found out, centuries earlier. The last vestiges of such numbers were encountered by Lewis and Clark in the towns of the Hidatsa and Mandans and the First Nation towns of the Northwest coast. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oslove Posted July 17, 2022 Author #712 Share Posted July 17, 2022 Hi God-deniers, Don't waste the time and bandwidth of UM. You might not have the burden to prove God does not exist, but as you guys are intelligent and possessed of the reason faculty, you have the burden to explain why and how you have come to the conclusion that God does not exist - unless you guys are always into nonsensical arbritrarity with denying God exists: read Dawkins, he explains why and how he denies God exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted July 17, 2022 #713 Share Posted July 17, 2022 1 hour ago, oslove said: Hi God-deniers, Don't waste the time and bandwidth of UM. We wouldn't want to waste it defending an asinine god of gaps would we? 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom309 Posted July 17, 2022 #714 Share Posted July 17, 2022 Yea, I'd have him doing a lot of good: 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oslove Posted July 18, 2022 Author #715 Share Posted July 18, 2022 On 7/18/2022 at 3:26 AM, Rlyeh said: We wouldn't want to waste it defending an asinine god of gaps would we? Tit for tat: You have an asinine face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted July 19, 2022 #716 Share Posted July 19, 2022 On 7/18/2022 at 3:36 AM, oslove said: Hi God-deniers, Don't waste the time and bandwidth of UM. Why Oslove? What gives you the right to order others around us? Did you buy UM recently or something? Nobody is interested in your self validating garbage. That's your fault alone. On 7/18/2022 at 3:36 AM, oslove said: You might not have the burden to prove God does not exist, but as you guys are intelligent and possessed of the reason faculty, you have the burden to explain why and how you have come to the conclusion that God does not exist - unless you guys are always into nonsensical arbritrarity with denying God exists: read Dawkins, he explains why and how he denies God exists. But nobody cares what you think. You're stuck in an old past and have nothing to offer. Just a tired old story people are sick of in general. You're a fanatic. A repetitive fanatic. The worst kind. Utterly boring. Not many people are interested in your view and more than ever are turning away from religion. Most likely because of people like you. Your fanatic approach which violates sensibility only turns people away. You might want to consider that in future posting. Try growing up a bit and learn modern science. Immerse yourself in the world of clever people like Dawkins and Krauss. They will provide you with more direct answers concerning atheism than any poster here. You are just here to belittle people without faith, you just haven't been able to accept how badly that has backfired on you yet. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted July 19, 2022 #717 Share Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, oslove said: Tit for tat: You have an asinine face. Is this what your god teaches you? You're not a good example. Edited July 19, 2022 by psyche101 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oslove Posted July 19, 2022 Author #718 Share Posted July 19, 2022 8 hours ago, psyche101 said: . . . . But nobody cares what you think. . . . . I know some UM member who cares what I think and reads me, Psyche101. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oslove Posted July 19, 2022 Author #719 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Whatever God-deniers think and write and rage against God, it is futile, because there is no alternative to God. Okay, God-deniers, what is your alternative to God for the explanation of everything that science talks about? Scientists say there is the Big Bang that started the universe, then they inhibit their scientific curiosity, to ask themsevles "Who brought about the Big Bang," because they could lose their jobs. So, God-deniers, I challenge you, what or who brought about Big Bang? No cussing, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted July 19, 2022 #720 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Religious fanaticism, me thinks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted July 19, 2022 #721 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Who's the bigger fool, the fool, or the idiot who argues with him? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rashore Posted July 19, 2022 #722 Share Posted July 19, 2022 There is far too much personal attacks, preaching, and other rule breaking behavior going on in this thread. I strongly recommend everyone review the site rules, found here: https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/guidelines/ Also, keep in mind the guidelines for this area: 'Spirituality, Religion and Beliefs' board guidelines Please always respect the beliefs of other members - the bashing of specific religions, countries, races or belief systems is strictly disallowed. Several of the topics in this section cover some sensitive areas and it is important to respect the views of others; this means no flaming, no flamebaiting, no trolling and no personal attacks. We must also ask that members do not use the forums to promote or 'preach' their personal spiritual beliefs to others. Note: The Spirituality vs Skepticism board has been discontinued and all the threads have been merged into this section. Discussion and views from all sides are now represented here, so it is important to keep your comments civil and respectful at all times. Thread closed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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