papageorge1 Posted February 24, 2018 #476 Share Posted February 24, 2018 3 hours ago, ChaosRose said: I don't think there are many serious and professional paranormal investigators. I strongly disagree. I actually watched the video in my post 43. 3 hours ago, ChaosRose said: That said, poltergeists do things like make noises...bang stuff around. You might hear a disembodied voice, and if things get really weird, you might get touched, shoved, or scratched. "They" (and I say they loosely, because when it happens, it's likely psychokinesis from someone in the house) don't write messages on walls with art supplies. People looking for attention do that. I am not clear how you know what is and is not possible. I think we are in unchartered waters with perhaps the start of some rough maps. I'll go with the multiple witnesses myself. Observation precedes understanding in the paranormal world. 3 hours ago, ChaosRose said: And someone is very bad at banishment if they're not able to oust a simple poltergeist, providing there was one at all. And where was Chaos in her SuperGirl cape to send this thing packing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted February 24, 2018 #477 Share Posted February 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, papageorge1 said: I strongly disagree. I actually watched the video in my post 43. I am not clear how you know what is and is not possible. I think we are in unchartered waters with perhaps the start of some rough maps. I'll go with the multiple witnesses myself. Observation precedes understanding in the paranormal world. And where was Chaos in her SuperGirl cape to send this thing packing? Yeah, I gotta actually believe someone is having a problem before I offer my advice. You can think the waters are uncharted, but I've been in those waters. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted February 24, 2018 #478 Share Posted February 24, 2018 1 minute ago, ChaosRose said: You can think the waters are uncharted, but I've been in those waters. Even all the waters in the whole wide universe?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted February 24, 2018 #479 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Just now, papageorge1 said: Even all the waters in the whole wide universe?? I dunno about those, but I've certainly been in the poltergeist waters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted February 24, 2018 #480 Share Posted February 24, 2018 It's flattering you think I have a cape. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted February 24, 2018 #481 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Just now, ChaosRose said: I dunno about those, but I've certainly been in the poltergeist waters. You kind of play both sides with me at times. Do you believe in real poltergeist (paranormal) activity? Can the paranormal affect the physical? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted February 24, 2018 #482 Share Posted February 24, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, papageorge1 said: You kind of play both sides with me at times. Do you believe in real poltergeist (paranormal) activity? Can the paranormal affect the physical? In my experienced opinion, poltergeists are caused by people in the house. They're usually under incredible stress, trauma or grief, and it's a sort of pressure valve. It manifests in psychokinetic bursts that aren't predictable or controllable unless you get the psyche reined in. Now these bursts, while they can be powerful enough, at times, to knock something off a shelf...they are not able to pick up art supplies and write on the wall with them. That only happens when people physically do that. And they do that for attention. Edited February 24, 2018 by ChaosRose 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted February 24, 2018 #483 Share Posted February 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, ChaosRose said: In my experienced opinion, poltergeists are caused by people in the house. They're usually under incredible stress, trauma or grief, and it's a sort of pressure valve. It manifests in psychokinetic bursts that aren't predictable or controllable unless you get the psyche reined in. Now these bursts, while they can be powerful enough, at times, to knock something off a shelf...they are not able to pick up art supplies and write on the wall with them. That only happens when people physically do that. And they do that for attention. Ahh, so you do believe there are genuine paranormal events that fall under the popular term 'poltergeist'. That was the question I was trying to get answered. Allow me to question the position that you or anyone can claim to know all there is to know. I happen to think we are all still learning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted February 24, 2018 #484 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Just now, papageorge1 said: Ahh, so you do believe there are genuine paranormal events that fall under the popular term 'poltergeist'. That was the question I was trying to get answered. Allow me to question the position that you or anyone can claim to know all there is to know. I happen to think we are all still learning. I never said that. I said I know about poltergeists. And because of what I know about poltergeists, I'm calling bs on this particular story. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macqdor Posted February 24, 2018 Author #485 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Quote And someone is very bad at banishment if they're not able to oust a simple poltergeist, providing there was one at all. First things first, there's no such thing as a simple poltergeist. Any researcher will tell you, you can't banish a poltergeist. Poltergeist for the most part dissipate on their own, over time. The reasons for their appearance and disappearance is rarely known. What is known is they're extremely loud. Extremely noisy. Extremely obnoxious, and Extremely irritating. As good as Steve and Don were while investigating my home they themselves could not remove the entity. They got data from it but they couldn't evict it. And that's not a knock against them - most researchers know Poltergeist are a phenomena to be studied, vs. be evicted. Your best bet is to lessen the activity. There are ways to do that. But that requires a key ingredient. Whats causing the outbreak in the first place. What made this case difficult to investigate was no one knew the root cause. Why is the Poltergeist here in the first place? Its not coming from Tina and me. We know because a previous tenants NEWSFLASH previous family admitted to similar activity. They lived in the house, four to five years before us and experienced some weird stuff - similar stuff as a result they up and left. Telling no one. How was the poltergeist able to survive for so long between them and us is a great big mystery. The 2nd reason for why it was hard for the geist to leave our house or for the activity to lessen is, look how long the poltergeist was there. The longer something is there, the harder it is to eradicate. We know the poltergeist was there five years before we arrived. Add on our four years and you got nine years. There's still 3 years unspoken for. There were several tenants between us and the previous tenant (who experienced geist activity) . I have not yet found them. So you see the requirements for ridding a house of activity or lessening activity can be real tricky. Most outbreaks end by themselves and that could be for a number of reasons. Reasons: 1.) an agent in the home (child, teenager, woman, male, teenager) moves or is assisted to the point of lessening the activity. 2.) the type of poltergeist (meaning the type of activity taking place. a.) there are between 4 to 5 different outbreak levels where poltergeist are concerned. The lower the outbreak, the more chance for lessening the activity. the higher the outbreak e.g. a Level 5, its very hard to get rid of a level 5 poltergeist. 3. the stressful condition in the home is dealt with. (see #1 and #2 and #4) 4. the environment itself. some poltergeist outbreak have to with land, or certain elements inside the home. those are very wide range and very hard to ascertain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted February 24, 2018 #486 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Just now, ChaosRose said: I never said that. I said I know about poltergeists. And because of what I know about poltergeists, I'm calling bs on this particular story. But you said: ...they are not able to pick up art supplies and write on the wall with them. This case could be a complex haunting with multiple things going on with so-called poltergeist activity being just one of them. If the bs call is just your gut feeling about this guy and all the investigators, then fine, and we can agree to disagree once again. (As long as you are not claiming this is all impossible because of your past experiences with poltergeists, then in that case I think you are making a logical error.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted February 24, 2018 #487 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Just now, papageorge1 said: But you said: ...they are not able to pick up art supplies and write on the wall with them. This case could be a complex haunting with multiple things going on with so-called poltergeist activity being just one of them. If the bs call is just your gut feeling about this guy and all the investigators, then fine, and we can agree to disagree once again. (As long as you are not claiming this is all impossible because of your past experiences with poltergeists, then in that case I think you are making a logical error.) They're making a claim that this was a poltergeist. They're not making claims about entities. But I can attest that thoughtforms don't write on walls with art supplies, either. I'm calling bs because I don't believe these people actually had anything happen. They wrote on the wall to get attention, and they got it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macqdor Posted February 24, 2018 Author #488 Share Posted February 24, 2018 ChaosRose Anybody calling BS to this story without knowing all the facts is basically calling themselves BS. You may know a little about poltergeist and lets be clear, thats all we know. I've lived with a poltergeist for four years and I'm still learning. I learn something new everyday. There's always something new. Every case while similar in nature has its own unique trait. Its own unique DNA if you will. Its best to ask questions, get the facts. vs make a foolish statement that something is BS only because it doesn't fit your definition of what a poltergeist is. "There's a first, time for a everything." Other parapsychologist and researchers have already said this a poltergeist like infestation that has many variables they'd yet to come across. It speaks of poltergeist and it speaks to other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted February 24, 2018 #489 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Papa...I understand that you want to believe in the paranormal, but you shouldn't just believe every claim, lock, stock, and barrel...even when other more experienced people are saying hey, look...that's bs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted February 24, 2018 #490 Share Posted February 24, 2018 1 minute ago, macqdor said: ChaosRose Anybody calling BS to this story without knowing all the facts is basically calling themselves BS. You may know a little about poltergeist and lets be clear, thats all we know. I've lived with a poltergeist for four years and I'm still learning. I learn something new everyday. There's always something new. Every case while similar in nature has its own unique trait. Its own unique DNA if you will. Its best to ask questions, get the facts. vs make a foolish statement that something is BS only because it doesn't fit your definition of what a poltergeist is. "There's a first, time for a everything." Other parapsychologist and researchers have already said this a poltergeist like infestation that has many variables they'd yet to come across. It speaks of poltergeist and it speaks to other things. Like I said...I don't believe you. That is all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted February 24, 2018 #491 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Just now, ChaosRose said: They're making a claim that this was a poltergeist. They're not making claims about entities. But I can attest that thoughtforms don't write on walls with art supplies, either. I'm calling bs because I don't believe these people actually had anything happen. They wrote on the wall to get attention, and they got it. Yet another case where we are calling 'just for attention'. I don't think that can possibly fit this case with the number of investigators involved, so we'll have to disagree amicably once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macqdor Posted February 24, 2018 Author #492 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Quote They're making a claim that this was a poltergeist. They're not making claims about entities. But I can attest that thoughtforms don't write on walls with art supplies, either. I'm calling bs because I don't believe these people actually had anything happen. They wrote on the wall to get attention, and they got i no-longer believe you know about poltergeist by your above statement. Poltergeist have been writing on walls for quite some time. Its been reported, and documented in various cases. Too many to name here. Its funny to see people put limits on a subject that falls under the word paranormal. Our claims are not new. You would know that if you studied, investigated, and researched poltergeist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted February 24, 2018 #493 Share Posted February 24, 2018 1 minute ago, ChaosRose said: Papa...I understand that you want to believe in the paranormal, but you shouldn't just believe every claim, lock, stock, and barrel...even when other more experienced people are saying hey, look...that's bs. I do not believe every claim but require the accumulation of evidence I have seen in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted February 24, 2018 #494 Share Posted February 24, 2018 I think it was already established that your claims are not new. There was something about you posting this same bit on various forums and getting all riled up when people asked for evidence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted February 24, 2018 #495 Share Posted February 24, 2018 1 minute ago, papageorge1 said: I do not believe every claim but require the accumulation of evidence I have seen in this case. That's fine, papa, but a human person wrote on the wall. End of story. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted February 24, 2018 #496 Share Posted February 24, 2018 1 minute ago, ChaosRose said: That's fine, papa, but a human person wrote on the wall. End of story. Ok, we will end then with your display of false bravado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted February 24, 2018 #497 Share Posted February 24, 2018 It's only false if it's false. In this case, I'm right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macqdor Posted February 24, 2018 Author #498 Share Posted February 24, 2018 SMH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted February 24, 2018 #499 Share Posted February 24, 2018 No matter how you slice it, this is people with only movie experience trying to fake a poltergeist. It actually isn't anything like this, guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macqdor Posted February 24, 2018 Author #500 Share Posted February 24, 2018 OMG did you just post 1982 movie clip as the basis for your argument as to something being made up? You're taking on a lot of water my friend. you should stop while your knee is on the ground. Each of your posts reveals how unfamiliar you are with this case. Let me ask a question I already know the answer to. Humor me. 1.) are you saying poltergeist can't write on walls? 2.) are you saying poltergeist can't throw objects a) small b.) medium c) large in the air? 3.) are you saying they haven't been known to start fires? 4.) are you saying asport, apport are not known phenomena attributed to poltergeists? 5.) are you saying the activity doesn't begin slowly and at times crescendos to unbelievable levels. are you saying none of these things are not characteristics of a poltergeists? (these things and little bit more are the only things my girlfriend and me have reported) History backs us with over 10,000 similar cases. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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