Bone Black - Make Up Poltergeist Wall Marking

[Piney]

5 minutes ago, ChaosRose said:

All these experienced paranormal people, all these books, and no one could accomplish a simple banishment.

That just speaks volumes. 

There is 3 other people here thinking the same thing........

[GlitterRose]

Just now, Piney said:

There is 3 other people here thinking the same thing........

They should have just called in an occultist from the start. 

But then they'd have been like...dude...you got charcoal under your fingernails.

[Piney]

1 minute ago, ChaosRose said:

They should have just called in an occultist from the start. 

But then they'd have been like...dude...you got charcoal under your fingernails.

[papageorge1]

12 minutes ago, Piney said:

Your going to argue with a renowned archaeologist and college lecturer using Wiki?  Really?

Has he denied the correctness of the Wiki article?

[Piney]

Just now, papageorge1 said:

Has he denied the correctness of the Wiki article?

@Swede Your being corrected with "wiki".........

[Dejarma]

2 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

Has he denied the correctness of the Wiki article?

who?

Edit to add due to old age:

oh right who?== Swede- yeah i knew that

 

Edited February 25, 2018 by Dejarma

[+Not A Rockstar]

10 minutes ago, ChaosRose said:

All these experienced paranormal people, all these books, and no one could accomplish a simple banishment.

That just speaks volumes. 

I think unless you can drag out the banishment for an hour or more to last for a tv show, CR, and maybe scream a few times and spit pea soup or something, that wasn't wanted. 

[GlitterRose]

Seriously...do I need to break out my monster spray?

[SecretSanta]

1 minute ago, Dejarma said:

who?

 

Swede. 

[Dejarma]

Just now, SecretSanta said:

Swede. 

yep

[+Not A Rockstar]

1 minute ago, ChaosRose said:

Seriously...do I need to break out my monster spray?

oooh, the monstersol? Or the beastzine?

[moonman]

51 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

I looked into this a little and found that XRF technology is used for both elemental and CHEMICAL analysis.

From first paragraph on Wikipedia:

X-ray fluorescence (XRF) is the emission of characteristic "secondary" (or fluorescent) X-rays from a material that has been excited by bombarding with high-energy X-rays or gamma rays. The phenomenon is widely used for elemental analysis and chemical analysis, particularly in the investigation of metals, glass, ceramics and building materials, and for research in geochemistry, forensic science, archaeology and art objects[1] such as paintings[2] and murals.

Article

If it said compounds that might mean something. It does not say that, you are wrong. You're trying to use one word (chemical) to refute a detailed explanation of how the machine actually works. Sure you can analyse chemicals with it, and it will tell you what ELEMENTS are present. You can analyse your kitchen table with it if you want, you'll still only get elements.

Try harder with better reading comprehension.

Edited February 25, 2018 by moonman

[papageorge1]

3 minutes ago, moonman said:

If it said compounds that might mean something. It does not say that, you are wrong. You're trying to use one word (chemical) to refute a detailed explanation of how the machine actually works. Sure you can analyse chemicals with it, and it will tell you what ELEMENTS are present.

Try harder with better reading comprehension.

Tricalcium Phosphate is a chemical

[moonman]

9 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

Tricalcium Phosphate is a chemical

Very good! And chemicals are made up of....wait for it.....elements....which this thing measures. That's ALL it measures.

Do I really need to explain the difference between chemicals and elements? Do we need a grade school level lesson here?

And where did Kieth go now that we are asking those tough questions?

Edited February 25, 2018 by moonman

[moonman]

I'll make this simple. Take a Lego truck. It's made of different bricks arranged in a certain order. The truck is the chemical. The bricks are elements.

This machine does the equivalent of telling you what bricks are present, but doesn't tell you how they are arranged. You can build millions of things with those same bricks, but you won't have the instructions to tell you it's a truck, it can't tell you that. Get it?

Edited February 25, 2018 by moonman

[GlitterRose]

Probably reading up on simple banishments.

[+Not A Rockstar]

nah they let the house go to someone else unaware, full of all that supposed dangerous activity. Nothing to banish now, he don't live there anymore. 

[Swede]

1 hour ago, papageorge1 said:

I looked into this a little and found that XRF technology is used for both elemental and CHEMICAL analysis.

From first paragraph on Wikipedia:

X-ray fluorescence (XRF) is the emission of characteristic "secondary" (or fluorescent) X-rays from a material that has been excited by bombarding with high-energy X-rays or gamma rays. The phenomenon is widely used for elemental analysis and chemical analysis, particularly in the investigation of metals, glass, ceramics and building materials, and for research in geochemistry, forensic science, archaeology and art objects[1] such as paintings[2] and murals.

Article

Perhaps you would wish to read beyond the introduction of the article and note the application of the technology in regards to chemical analysis:

Analysis Lines

The spectral lines used for chemical analysis are selected on the basis of intensity, accessibility by the instrument, and lack of line overlaps. Typical lines used, and their wavelengths, are as follows:

element	line	wavelength (nm)		element	line	wavelength (nm)		element	line	wavelength (nm)		element	line	wavelength (nm)
Li	Kα	22.8		Ni	Kα1	0.1658		I	Lα1	0.3149		Pt	Lα1	0.1313
Be	Kα	11.4		Cu	Kα1	0.1541		Xe	Lα1	0.3016		Au	Lα1	0.1276
B	Kα	6.76		Zn	Kα1	0.1435		Cs	Lα1	0.2892		Hg	Lα1	0.1241
C	Kα	4.47		Ga	Kα1	0.1340		Ba	Lα1	0.2776		Tl	Lα1	0.1207
N	Kα	3.16		Ge	Kα1	0.1254		La	Lα1	0.2666		Pb	Lα1	0.1175
O	Kα	2.362		As	Kα1	0.1176		Ce	Lα1	0.2562		Bi	Lα1	0.1144
F	Kα1,2	1.832		Se	Kα1	0.1105		Pr	Lα1	0.2463		Po	Lα1	0.1114
Ne	Kα1,2	1.461		Br	Kα1	0.1040		Nd	Lα1	0.2370		At	Lα1	0.1085
Na	Kα1,2	1.191		Kr	Kα1	0.09801		Pm	Lα1	0.2282		Rn	Lα1	0.1057
Mg	Kα1,2	0.989		Rb	Kα1	0.09256		Sm	Lα1	0.2200		Fr	Lα1	0.1031
Al	Kα1,2	0.834		Sr	Kα1	0.08753		Eu	Lα1	0.2121		Ra	Lα1	0.1005
Si	Kα1,2	0.7126		Y	Kα1	0.08288		Gd	Lα1	0.2047		Ac	Lα1	0.0980
P	Kα1,2	0.6158		Zr	Kα1	0.07859		Tb	Lα1	0.1977		Th	Lα1	0.0956
S	Kα1,2	0.5373		Nb	Kα1	0.07462		Dy	Lα1	0.1909		Pa	Lα1	0.0933
Cl	Kα1,2	0.4729		Mo	Kα1	0.07094		Ho	Lα1	0.1845		U	Lα1	0.0911
Ar	Kα1,2	0.4193		Tc	Kα1	0.06751		Er	Lα1	0.1784		Np	Lα1	0.0888
K	Kα1,2	0.3742		Ru	Kα1	0.06433		Tm	Lα1	0.1727		Pu	Lα1	0.0868
Ca	Kα1,2	0.3359		Rh	Kα1	0.06136		Yb	Lα1	0.1672		Am	Lα1	0.0847
Sc	Kα1,2	0.3032		Pd	Kα1	0.05859		Lu	Lα1	0.1620		Cm	Lα1	0.0828
Ti	Kα1,2	0.2749		Ag	Kα1	0.05599		Hf	Lα1	0.1570		Bk	Lα1	0.0809
V	Kα1	0.2504		Cd	Kα1	0.05357		Ta	Lα1	0.1522		Cf	Lα1	0.0791
Cr	Kα1	0.2290		In	Lα1	0.3772		W	Lα1	0.1476		Es	Lα1	0.0773
Mn	Kα1	0.2102		Sn	Lα1	0.3600		Re	Lα1	0.1433		Fm	Lα1	0.0756
Fe	Kα1	0.1936		Sb	Lα1	0.3439		Os	Lα1	0.1391		Md	Lα1	0.0740
Co	Kα1	0.1789		Te	Lα1	0.3289		Ir	Lα1	0.1351		No	Lα1	0.0724

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-ray_fluorescence#Chemical_analysis

You will note that the chemical analysis is based upon the identification of specific elements, not a resulting compound.

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[Dejarma]

6 minutes ago, moonman said:

I'll make this simple. Take a Lego truck. It's made of different bricks arranged in a certain order. The truck is the chemical. The bricks are elements.

This machine does the equivalent of telling you what bricks are present, but doesn't tell you how they are arranged. You can build millions of things with those same bricks, but you won't have the instructions to tell you it's a truck, it can't tell you that. Get it?

brilliant analogy 

[moonman]

2 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

brilliant analogy 

Thanks. I have a feeling he still won't get it, though.

 

Edited February 25, 2018 by moonman

[Swede]

14 minutes ago, moonman said:

I'll make this simple. Take a Lego truck. It's made of different bricks arranged in a certain order. The truck is the chemical. The bricks are elements.

This machine does the equivalent of telling you what bricks are present, but doesn't tell you how they are arranged. You can build millions of things with those same bricks, but you won't have the instructions to tell you it's a truck, it can't tell you that. Get it?

Nicely done.

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[moonman]

I give all credit to my kid's Lego truck that is sitting on the table in front of me right now. I was wracking my brain for a way to explain, and there is was.

So George, how will you try to tell us that we don't understand now?

Edited February 25, 2018 by moonman

[Dejarma]

9 minutes ago, moonman said:

Thanks. I have a feeling he still won't get it, though.

 

Why are we bothering with this?

It's quite obvious what we have here is someone putting something on a wall/door & claiming the supernatural!!!

The supernatural does not exist so it must be BS!! Trying to explain the scientific side of things to someone who probably deep down knows is talking BS is pointless!

I'm done with it & feel no need to fuel it any longer= apart from the laugh of course

[moonman]

I have a real problem walking away from lost causes, especially when they involve innacuracy and lies.

I'm not even saying the supernatural doesn't exist.

Edited February 25, 2018 by moonman

[SecretSanta]

17 minutes ago, moonman said:

I'll make this simple. Take a Lego truck. It's made of different bricks arranged in a certain order. The truck is the chemical. The bricks are elements.

This machine does the equivalent of telling you what bricks are present, but doesn't tell you how they are arranged. You can build millions of things with those same bricks, but you won't have the instructions to tell you it's a truck, it can't tell you that. Get it?

Excellent!

@macqdor how did you figure out it was bone black if all the xrf gun gives you is the elements and not chemical compounds?