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Will Due

Then said Pilate, half in ridicule and half in sincerity, "Truth, what is truthwho knows?"

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What do you think?

Are we able to know the truth?

If we can't know the truth, how would we ever be able to determine the facts?

Scientists discover the facts in a laboratory. 

Jurists evaluate the facts in the business of revealing the truth in a courtroom. 

Those who sincerely seek for God become convicted that they should never stop searching for the truth about him. And more and more, this is happening like never before.

 

_____________________

 

The Spirit of Truth

180:5.1

The new helper which Jesus promised to send into the hearts of believers, to pour out upon all flesh, is the Spirit of Truth. This divine endowment is not the letter or law of truth, neither is it to function as the form or expression of truth. The new teacher is the conviction of truth, the consciousness and assurance of true meanings on real spirit levels. And this new teacher is the spirit of living and growing truth, expanding, unfolding, and adaptative truth.

180:5.2

Divine truth is a spirit-discerned and living reality. Truth exists only on high spiritual levels of the realization of divinity and the consciousness of communion with God. You can know the truth, and you can live the truth; you can experience the growth of truth in the soul and enjoy the liberty of its enlightenment in the mind, but you cannot imprison truth in formulas, codes, creeds, or intellectual patterns of human conduct. When you undertake the human formulation of divine truth, it speedily dies. The post-mortem salvage of imprisoned truth, even at best, can eventuate only in the realization of a peculiar form of intellectualized glorified wisdom. Static truth is dead truth, and only dead truth can be held as a theory.

180:5.3
180:5.4

The true child of universe insight looks for the living Spirit of Truth in every wise saying. The God-knowing individual is constantly elevating wisdom to the living-truth levels of divine attainment; the spiritually unprogressive soul is all the while dragging the living truth down to the dead levels of wisdom and to the domain of mere exalted knowledge.

180:5.5

The golden rule, when divested of the superhuman insight of the Spirit of Truth, becomes nothing more than a rule of high ethical conduct. The golden rule, when literally interpreted, may become the instrument of great offense to one’s fellows. Without a spiritual discernment of the golden rule of wisdom you might reason that, since you are desirous that all men speak the full and frank truth of their minds to you, you should therefore fully and frankly speak the full thought of your mind to your fellow beings. Such an unspiritual interpretation of the golden rule might result in untold unhappiness and no end of sorrow.

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Some persons discern and interpret the golden rule as a purely intellectual affirmation of human fraternity. Others experience this expression of human relationship as an emotional gratification of the tender feelings of the human personality. Another mortal recognizes this same golden rule as the yardstick for measuring all social relations, the standard of social conduct. Still others look upon it as being the positive injunction of a great moral teacher who embodied in this statement the highest concept of moral obligation as regards all fraternal relationships. In the lives of such moral beings the golden rule becomes the wise center and circumference of all their philosophy.

180:5.7

In the world of the believing brotherhood of God-knowing truth lovers, this golden rule takes on living qualities of spiritual realization on those higher levels of interpretation which cause the mortal sons of God to view this injunction of the Master as requiring them so to relate themselves to their fellows that they will receive the highest possible good as a result of the believer’s contact with them. This is the essence of true religion: that you love your neighbor as yourself.

180:5.8

But the highest realization and the truest interpretation of the golden rule consists in the consciousness of the spirit of the truth of the enduring and living reality of such a divine declaration. The true meaning of this rule of universal relationship is revealed only in its spiritual realization, in the interpretation of the law of conduct by the spirit of the Son to the spirit of the Father that indwells the soul of mortal man. And when such spirit-led mortals realize the true meaning of this golden rule, they are filled to overflowing with the assurance of citizenship in a friendly universe, and their ideals of spirit reality are satisfied only when they love their fellows as Jesus loved us all, and that is the reality of the realization of the love of God.

180:5.9

This same philosophy of the living flexibility and cosmic adaptability of divine truth to the individual requirements and capacity of every son of God, must be perceived before you can hope adequately to understand the Master’s teaching and practice of nonresistance to evil. The Master’s teaching is basically a spiritual pronouncement. Even the material implications of his philosophy cannot be helpfully considered apart from their spiritual correlations. The spirit of the Master’s injunction consists in the nonresistance of all selfish reaction to the universe, coupled with the aggressive and progressive attainment of righteous levels of true spirit values: divine beauty, infinite goodness, and eternal truth—to know God and to become increasingly like him.

180:5.10

Love, unselfishness, must undergo a constant and living readaptative interpretation of relationships in accordance with the leading of the Spirit of Truth. Love must thereby grasp the ever-changing and enlarging concepts of the highest cosmic good of the individual who is loved. And then love goes on to strike this same attitude concerning all other individuals who could possibly be influenced by the growing and living relationship of one spirit-led mortal’s love for others. And this entire living adaptation of love must be effected in the light of both the environment of present evil and the eternal goal of the perfection of divine destiny.

180:5.11

And so must we clearly recognize that neither the golden rule nor the teaching of nonresistance can ever be properly understood as dogmas or precepts. They can only be comprehended by living them, by realizing their meanings in the living interpretation of the Spirit of Truth, who directs the loving contact of one human being with another.

1,951

And all this clearly indicates the difference between the old religion and the new. The old religion taught self-sacrifice; the new religion teaches only self-forgetfulness, enhanced self-realization in conjoined social service and universe comprehension. The old religion was motivated by fear-consciousness; the new gospel is dominated by truth-conviction, the spirit of eternal and universal truth. And no amount of piety or creedal loyalty can compensate for the absence in the life experience of believers of that spontaneous, generous, and sincere friendliness which characterizes the spirit-born sons of the living God. Neither tradition nor a ceremonial system of formal worship can atone for the lack of genuine compassion for one’s fellows.

 

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And all this is true as an advantage for discerning the truth, because the Spirit of Truth which is sent, is sent into the heart of the believer, even while it is poured out upon all flesh.

And this is the great demarcation in all the discussions going on in this forum.

 

 

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44 minutes ago, Will Due said:

Then said Pilate, half in ridicule and half in sincerity, "Truth, what is truthwho knows?"

____________________

 

What do you think?

Are we able to know the truth?

If we can't know the truth, how would we ever be able to determine the facts?

Scientists discover the facts in a laboratory. 

Jurists evaluate the facts in the business of revealing the truth in a courtroom. 

Those who sincerely seek for God become convicted that they should never stop searching for the truth about him. And more and more, this is happening like never before.

 

_____________________

 

The Spirit of Truth

180:5.1

The new helper which Jesus promised to send into the hearts of believers, to pour out upon all flesh, is the Spirit of Truth. This divine endowment is not the letter or law of truth, neither is it to function as the form or expression of truth. The new teacher is the conviction of truth, the consciousness and assurance of true meanings on real spirit levels. And this new teacher is the spirit of living and growing truth, expanding, unfolding, and adaptative truth.

180:5.2

Divine truth is a spirit-discerned and living reality. Truth exists only on high spiritual levels of the realization of divinity and the consciousness of communion with God. You can know the truth, and you can live the truth; you can experience the growth of truth in the soul and enjoy the liberty of its enlightenment in the mind, but you cannot imprison truth in formulas, codes, creeds, or intellectual patterns of human conduct. When you undertake the human formulation of divine truth, it speedily dies. The post-mortem salvage of imprisoned truth, even at best, can eventuate only in the realization of a peculiar form of intellectualized glorified wisdom. Static truth is dead truth, and only dead truth can be held as a theory.

180:5.3
180:5.4

The true child of universe insight looks for the living Spirit of Truth in every wise saying. The God-knowing individual is constantly elevating wisdom to the living-truth levels of divine attainment; the spiritually unprogressive soul is all the while dragging the living truth down to the dead levels of wisdom and to the domain of mere exalted knowledge.

180:5.5

The golden rule, when divested of the superhuman insight of the Spirit of Truth, becomes nothing more than a rule of high ethical conduct. The golden rule, when literally interpreted, may become the instrument of great offense to one’s fellows. Without a spiritual discernment of the golden rule of wisdom you might reason that, since you are desirous that all men speak the full and frank truth of their minds to you, you should therefore fully and frankly speak the full thought of your mind to your fellow beings. Such an unspiritual interpretation of the golden rule might result in untold unhappiness and no end of sorrow.

1,950

Some persons discern and interpret the golden rule as a purely intellectual affirmation of human fraternity. Others experience this expression of human relationship as an emotional gratification of the tender feelings of the human personality. Another mortal recognizes this same golden rule as the yardstick for measuring all social relations, the standard of social conduct. Still others look upon it as being the positive injunction of a great moral teacher who embodied in this statement the highest concept of moral obligation as regards all fraternal relationships. In the lives of such moral beings the golden rule becomes the wise center and circumference of all their philosophy.

180:5.7

In the world of the believing brotherhood of God-knowing truth lovers, this golden rule takes on living qualities of spiritual realization on those higher levels of interpretation which cause the mortal sons of God to view this injunction of the Master as requiring them so to relate themselves to their fellows that they will receive the highest possible good as a result of the believer’s contact with them. This is the essence of true religion: that you love your neighbor as yourself.

180:5.8

But the highest realization and the truest interpretation of the golden rule consists in the consciousness of the spirit of the truth of the enduring and living reality of such a divine declaration. The true meaning of this rule of universal relationship is revealed only in its spiritual realization, in the interpretation of the law of conduct by the spirit of the Son to the spirit of the Father that indwells the soul of mortal man. And when such spirit-led mortals realize the true meaning of this golden rule, they are filled to overflowing with the assurance of citizenship in a friendly universe, and their ideals of spirit reality are satisfied only when they love their fellows as Jesus loved us all, and that is the reality of the realization of the love of God.

180:5.9

This same philosophy of the living flexibility and cosmic adaptability of divine truth to the individual requirements and capacity of every son of God, must be perceived before you can hope adequately to understand the Master’s teaching and practice of nonresistance to evil. The Master’s teaching is basically a spiritual pronouncement. Even the material implications of his philosophy cannot be helpfully considered apart from their spiritual correlations. The spirit of the Master’s injunction consists in the nonresistance of all selfish reaction to the universe, coupled with the aggressive and progressive attainment of righteous levels of true spirit values: divine beauty, infinite goodness, and eternal truth—to know God and to become increasingly like him.

180:5.10

Love, unselfishness, must undergo a constant and living readaptative interpretation of relationships in accordance with the leading of the Spirit of Truth. Love must thereby grasp the ever-changing and enlarging concepts of the highest cosmic good of the individual who is loved. And then love goes on to strike this same attitude concerning all other individuals who could possibly be influenced by the growing and living relationship of one spirit-led mortal’s love for others. And this entire living adaptation of love must be effected in the light of both the environment of present evil and the eternal goal of the perfection of divine destiny.

180:5.11

And so must we clearly recognize that neither the golden rule nor the teaching of nonresistance can ever be properly understood as dogmas or precepts. They can only be comprehended by living them, by realizing their meanings in the living interpretation of the Spirit of Truth, who directs the loving contact of one human being with another.

1,951

And all this clearly indicates the difference between the old religion and the new. The old religion taught self-sacrifice; the new religion teaches only self-forgetfulness, enhanced self-realization in conjoined social service and universe comprehension. The old religion was motivated by fear-consciousness; the new gospel is dominated by truth-conviction, the spirit of eternal and universal truth. And no amount of piety or creedal loyalty can compensate for the absence in the life experience of believers of that spontaneous, generous, and sincere friendliness which characterizes the spirit-born sons of the living God. Neither tradition nor a ceremonial system of formal worship can atone for the lack of genuine compassion for one’s fellows.

 

____________________

 

And all this is true as an advantage for discerning the truth, because the Spirit of Truth which is sent, is sent into the heart of the believer, even while it is poured out upon all flesh.

And this is the great demarcation in all the discussions going on in this forum.

 

 

Will

Is this an excerpt from the UB? If so it hasn't been demonstated that this publication is based on truth.

jmccr8 

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Will Due
4 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Will

Is this an excerpt from the UB? If so it hasn't been demonstated that this publication is based on truth.

jmccr8 

 

Yes it is.

The Spirit of Truth works differently when you're a believer. 

When someone believes in God, the Spirit of Truth indicates what is true.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Will Due said:

Static truth is dead truth, and only dead truth can be held as a theory.

If static truth is dead, then logically that means that it may be true that your god doesn't exist?  After all, for you, 'god exists' is a static truth, correct?  And thus it is a dead truth?

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Belief in God is not static, it is dynamic.

When the leap of living faith and belief in God occurs, the Spirit of Truth begins to function in the heart instead of upon the flesh.

And thus, everything true is alive.

 

 

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Hmmm....jump off my boat wearing concrete boots or read Will's  UB sermon?

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Where are those boots.

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10 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

Belief in God is not static, it is dynamic.

When the leap of living faith and belief in God occurs, the Spirit of Truth begins to function in the heart instead of upon the flesh.

And thus, everything true is alive.

 

 

You do know that this metaphorical heart is your emotions right? Just neurochemicals.

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1 minute ago, freetoroam said:

Hmmm....jump off my boat wearing concrete boots or read Will's  UB sermon?

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Where are those boots.

Does seem a bit preachy.

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38 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

Yes it is.

The Spirit of Truth works differently when you're a believer. 

When someone believes in God, the Spirit of Truth indicates what is true.

 

 

Hi Will

The problem that I am seeing is that with your book and truth is that it says that it cannot give correction for something that they know that is not true in our science or other aspects of our knowledge. This would be classified as a lie of omission, I am then left wondering as to what the validity the spirit of truth is. Is it selective truth? Where then do we determine the value of truth to them and why would I believe it if there is a disclaimer that I know the truth but can't tell you because it goes against our directive to tell you the truth about your misconceptions?

Sorry Will but you will need to show how this book is true before you can expound a spirit of truth from these writings.

jmccr8 

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9 minutes ago, Will Due said:

Belief in God is not static, it is dynamic.

It may be 'dynamic' as far as your trying to figure out the qualities of your god.  But the only possible way the 'truth', 'my god exists', can be dynamic is to allow for 'my god doesn't exist' (or I guess, "I don't know").  It seems you've either pulled the rug out from the idea your god exists, or are admitting that the 'static truth' that your god exists is 'dead'.

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3 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Will

The problem that I am seeing is that with your book and truth is that it says that it cannot give correction for something that they know that is not true in our science or other aspects of our knowledge. This would be classified as a lie of omission, I am then left wondering as to what the validity the spirit of truth is. Is it selective truth? Where then do we determine the value of truth to them and why would I believe it if there is a disclaimer that I know the truth but can't tell you because it goes against our directive to tell you the truth about your misconceptions?

Sorry Will but you will need to show how this book is true before you can expound a spirit of truth from these writings.

jmccr8 

I think its subjective truth. 

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Just now, XenoFish said:

I think its subjective truth. 

The spirit of subjective truth.:whistle:

jmccr8 

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Does this book make my azz look big?:lol:

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Just now, jmccr8 said:

The spirit of subjective truth.:whistle:

jmccr8 

Isn't that the whole problem with every single thread like this? One mans truth, is another mans lie. Unless its an objective truth, which in this case there isn't one. Just a personal opinion.

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15 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Will

The problem that I am seeing is that with your book and truth is that it says that it cannot give correction for something that they know that is not true in our science or other aspects of our knowledge. This would be classified as a lie of omission, I am then left wondering as to what the validity the spirit of truth is. Is it selective truth? Where then do we determine the value of truth to them and why would I believe it if there is a disclaimer that I know the truth but can't tell you because it goes against our directive to tell you the truth about your misconceptions?

Sorry Will but you will need to show how this book is true before you can expound a spirit of truth from these writings.

jmccr8 

 

14 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

It may be 'dynamic' as far as your trying to figure out the qualities of your god.  But the only possible way the 'truth', 'my god exists', can be dynamic is to allow for 'my god doesn't exist' (or I guess, "I don't know").  It seems you've either pulled the rug out from the idea your god exists, or are admitting that the 'static truth' that your god exists is 'dead'.

 

I'll try again, to get to the heart of it.

The Spirit of Truth operates (teaches) the truth in the heart, as opposed to the teachings written in any book for example.

If you're looking for the truth sincerely, then you'll believe in God first.

When this happens, the Spirit of Truth moves from being only upon the flesh and into the heart.

So far, your comments have revealed the truth of this. The Spirit of Truth being upon the flesh will only work as the world is true looking out. But the place to be able to really understand the truth, is on the inside. In your heart.

That's why no matter what anyone who experiences the teachings of the Spirit of Truth in the heart says or writes, there is likely only a little, if anything, that can be received and understood by those who won't believe in God.

 

 

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The spirit of truth has stirred my spirit. It has told me that nothing matters and there's nothing after this, so make the most out of living now. 

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5 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

 

I'll try again, to get to the heart of it.

The Spirit of Truth operates (teaches) the truth in the heart, as opposed to the teachings written in any book for example.

If you're looking for the truth sincerely, then you'll believe in God first.

When this happens, the Spirit of Truth moves from being only upon the flesh and into the heart.

So far, your comments have revealed the truth of this. The Spirit of Truth being upon the flesh will only work as the world is true looking out. But the place to be able to really understand the truth, is on the inside. In your heart.

That's why no matter what anyone who experiences the teachings of the Spirit of Truth in the heart says or writes, there is likely only a little, if anything, that can be received and understood by those who won't believe in God.

 

 

Hi Will

So are you saying that you reject what the book says because you found a relationship with god and god has made revelation to you? If so why do you always quote The Book if you do not think it is absolute truth?

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19 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Sorry Will but you will need to show how this book is true before you can expound a spirit of truth from these writings.

You asked for it...and here it er...um...this is his reply

8 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

 

I'll try again, to get to the heart of it.

The Spirit of Truth operates (teaches) the truth in the heart, as opposed to the teachings written in any book for example.

If you're looking for the truth sincerely, then you'll believe in God first.

When this happens, the Spirit of Truth moves from being only upon the flesh and into the heart.

So far, your comments have revealed the truth of this. The Spirit of Truth being upon the flesh will only work as the world is true looking out. But the place to be able to really understand the truth, is on the inside. In your heart.

That's why no matter what anyone who experiences the teachings of the Spirit of Truth in the heart, there is likely only a little, if anything, that can be received and understood by those who won't believe in God.

 

 

well there you have it. :blink:

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2 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

The spirit of truth has stirred my spirit. It has told me that nothing matters and there's nothing after this like, so,make the most out of living now. 

 

That's fine Fish. Everyone has their outlook.

Let me emphasize. I started this thread to address the reason there are always the same two sides of every one of these threads in this section.

It's because the Spirit of Truth is playing a role with one group that he can't with the other.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Will

So are you saying that you reject what the book says because you found a relationship with god and god has made revelation to you? If so why do you always quote The Book if you do not think it is absolute truth?

jmccr8 

 

See what I mean folks?

Completely without understanding. 

What do ya do?

 

 

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You guys don't realize that I'm not promoting a book. And that saddens me.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

See what I mean folks?

Nope.

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3 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

That's fine Fish. Everyone has their outlook.

Let me emphasize. I started this thread to address the reason there are always the same two sides of every one of these threads in this section.

It's because the Spirit of Truth is playing a role with one group that he can't with the other.

 

 

Will

I know that you may think that this is personal but it isn't. You have said in the past that when you first encountered this book it spoke to you and you just accepted it. I and several others ask the hard questions and I ask them of myself any time tjat I am exposed to these types of teachings. If you have not asked yourself the hard qiestions then how do you expect to give a reasoned response? Mystical answers or implied knowledge hidden in brief replies are your biggest adversary, if you are truly confident in what you believe state it clearly and in detail.

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