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Farmer77
29 minutes ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

Sorry, but I have to agree with PP here. That's just ... :no: 

Are you familiar with Igor Panarin? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Panarin

Allegedly Putin agrees with his vision of a divided America and in learning how this has all unfolded I can kinda see where they might be working towards that goal. 

 

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bee
3 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

All of that will have massive long lasting ramifications on this nation, including whatever overreactions happen when the next POTUS takes office and has to try and separate America from this mess. 

 

If you get a Globalist supporting puppet President in the next election (or the one after that)......

you might not HAVE a nation for much longer - 

 

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Vlad the Mighty
6 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Absolutely hell it actually has the potential to be much much worse, domestically anyways. Case in point one of the things we know was a goal of theirs was to spread mistrust in American institutions and what do you know the candidate they backed has done what ? He has worked overtime to erode Americans confidence in its institutions - judicial and legislative branches, the media, even law enforcement. 

:rolleyes: And none of those things existed before the Tyrant. 

Sorry Farmer, I really think you ought to have a lie down or something for a bit.  

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Farmer77
3 minutes ago, bee said:

 

you mean trying to save it from becoming a vassal of the Globalists working towards a totalitarian One World Government.... 

it's about time you gave credit where credit is due - 

 

Please Trump is an elitist in the pocket of billionaires just like every other politician he doesn't care about globalism, he cares about his bank account. 

 Sen. Whitehouse: Trump is in the back pocket of billionaires

 

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Carl Icahn, the billionaire investor, was brought in as "special adviser" to the President in order to cut regulations. On the campaign trail, the President bragged of his relationship with Icahn, calling him one of "the great businessmen of the world." Icahn, who bought one of Trump's Atlantic City casinos out of bankruptcy and contributed the maximum he legally could to the Trump campaign, said he would slash "crazy regulations" hindering American businesses.

It turned out Icahn had one particular regulation in mind. Skirting conflict of interest rules that apply to formally appointed executive branch officials, he undertook to change the Environmental Protection Agency's "renewable fuel standard" that required oil refiners to blend corn-based ethanol into gasoline. Changing the rule would save one of Icahn's companies, CVR Energy, hundreds of millions of dollars.

I think perhaps its time for you to give Trump credit for swindling you. 

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Farmer77
Just now, Vlad the Mighty said:

:rolleyes: And none of those things existed before the Tyrant. 

Sorry Farmer, I really think you ought to have a lie down or something for a bit.  

Strawman much?  No one is saying they didn't, pretty sure ive typed those exact words at least once in this conversation. 

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bee
1 minute ago, Farmer77 said:

Please Trump is an elitist in the pocket of billionaires just like every other politician he doesn't care about globalism, he cares about his bank account. 

rubbish

You have to be pretty obtuse or dishonest not to see or admit that Trump is a patriot who loves America and wants to....................

make it great again 

rather than let it become a toothless vassal of the New World Order...

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Farmer77
Just now, bee said:

rubbish

You have to be pretty obtuse or dishonest not to see or admit that Trump is a patriot who loves America and wants to....................

make it great again 

rather than let it become a toothless vassal of the New World Order...

:lol: The dude is running a con 

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Vlad the Mighty
3 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Are you familiar with Igor Panarin? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Panarin

Allegedly Putin agrees with his vision of a divided America and in learning how this has all unfolded I can kinda see where they might be working towards that goal. 

 

Have you heard of any Senator you care to name (whether they have a (D) or an (R) after their name, it makes no difference). (Sen. John McCain for one.) Or George Soros? have you heard of him? Millionaire financier and philanthropist.  They have a vision of overthrowing Russia's Tyrant by force, and breaking up Russia so it can never again "be a danger to the world". This force could go up to an including a first-strike nuclear attack. This is exactly equal to "spreading dissension in American society" just like a few ads which hardly anyone looked at on facecook are exactly equal to 9/11. 

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Farmer77
1 minute ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

Have you heard of any Senator you care to name (whether they have a (D) or an (R) after their name, it makes no difference). (Sen. John McCain for one.) Or George Soros? have you heard of him? Millionaire financier and philanthropist.  They have a vision of overthrowing Russia's Tyrant by force, and breaking up Russia so it can never again "be a danger to the world". This force could go up to an including a first-strike nuclear attack. This is exactly equal to "spreading dissension in American society" just like a few ads which hardly anyone looked at on facecook are exactly equal to 9/11. 

And if one of Mccains mercenary buddies got caught doing mercenary things I wouldn't be surprised at all, nor would I expect whichever nation he was meddling with to take it lightly. So whats your point?  

A foreign nation came to my country in an effort to affect the outcome of a (allegedly) democratic election. That's simply unacceptable. The fact that the President of the United States doesn't seem to mind is disgusting. The fact that the party which has historically cared the most about defense doesn't care or is living in denial about it is absolutely mind blowing. 

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bee
1 minute ago, Farmer77 said:

:lol: The dude is running a con 

 

you might not be bothered if America becomes a toothless vassal of the Globalists but Trump is giving it his very
best to get the country he loves back on track - and I support him in that because if the US falls to the Globalists
the West is in trouble - and a totalitarian World Government could be round the corner... 

similarly.... Russia has to fall to the Globalists at some point for the New World Order 's agenda to proceed...

 

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Some essential reading ...
 

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"... there is not a living soul in any country who does not deeply resent having his passions roused, his indignation inflamed, his patriotism exploited, and his highest ideals desecrated by concealment, subterfuge, fraud, falsehood, trickery, and deliberate lying on the part of those in whom he is taught to repose confidence and to whom he is enjoined to pay respect." —Arthur Ponsonby, Falsehood in Wartime (London 1928).

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  • bible researcher link

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Something from one of my favorite movies ...

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Lawrence

There may be honour among thieves,

but there's none in politicians.


Mr. Dryden   
                

And let's have

no displays of indignation.


You may not have known,

but you certainly had suspicions.

If we've told lies,

you've told half-lies.

And a man who tells lies, like me,

merely hides the truth.


But a man who tells half-lies

has forgotten where he put it.

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Lawrence Of Arabia Script - transcript from the screenplay and/or David Lean movie starring Peter O'Toole -

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Seven Pillars of Wisdom by T.E. Lawrence. “All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake up in the day to find it was vanity, but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible.”

 

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Truth and dreams makes for a potent mix ...

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13 minutes ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

Have you heard of any Senator you care to name (whether they have a (D) or an (R) after their name, it makes no difference). (Sen. John McCain for one.) Or George Soros? have you heard of him? Millionaire financier and philanthropist.  They have a vision of overthrowing Russia's Tyrant by force, and breaking up Russia so it can never again "be a danger to the world". This force could go up to an including a first-strike nuclear attack. This is exactly equal to "spreading dissension in American society" just like a few ads which hardly anyone looked at on facecook are exactly equal to 9/11. 


apparently Russia under Putin is the country least inclined towards Globalism - so it's perfectly logical that they will be targeted....

by the likes of Soros / McCain / Clinton / Obama / the Council on Foreign Relations... etc etc etc - 

the ruthless, self deluded fools might even resort to WW3 to push their agenda forward - :angry:

 

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Vlad the Mighty
32 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

A foreign nation came to my country in an effort to affect the outcome of a (allegedly) democratic election.

Your sense of proportion has been lost somewhere. Have you looked in the washing machine? You've completely jumped on board alongside the neocons, you know that? Except even they most probably don't really believe that Vile Foreign Meddling has caused damage to the United States comparable to 9/11, they just see it as an excuse for furtherance of American power under the camouflage of outraged indignation. You've become even more neocon than the neocons. 

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Farmer77
9 minutes ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

Your sense of proportion has been lost somewhere. Have you looked in the washing machine? You've completely jumped on board alongside the neocons, you know that? Except even they most probably don't really believe that Vile Foreign Meddling has caused damage to the United States comparable to 9/11, they just see it as an excuse for furtherance of American power under the camouflage of outraged indignation. You've become even more neocon than the neocons. 

I agree with their position currently because their position is correct. Once the clear and present danger is dealt with I am positive that my position will again diverge from the mainstream. 

 

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Vlad the Mighty

Sorry Farmer, the only thing I can say to you any more is that you've completely and totally lost your grip on sanity. I'm sorry to be blunt. :no: Once the clear and present danger is dealt with " Do you mean Trump? Do you mean the Russkies? how would like to deal with them? A nice clean shot through the sights of a Mannlicher carbine*? A nice first-strike on Moscow? I'm being over the top now, you say, I'm being silly? This from the one who's compared ads on facebook with 9/11. :no: 

* ok, probably more likely whatever sniper rifles the CIA were equipped with <_<

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3 minutes ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

Once the clear and present danger is dealt with " Do you mean Trump? Do you mean the Russkies? how would like to deal with them? A nice clean shot through the sights of a Mannlicher carbine*?

Oh god no, I'm not andthen. 

I simply mean allowing the investigations to continue and  taking appropriate legal and diplomatic actions against those responsible along with continuing to counter the ignorance, lies, bigotry and corporate cronyism coming from the WH.

6 minutes ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

A nice first-strike on Moscow? I'm being over the top now, you say, I'm being silly? This from the one who's compared ads on facebook with 9/11. :no: 

Man I thought it was you Russians who were good at playing the long game :lol: j/k j/k

Seriously though 3k deaths could be a drop in the bucket depending on how things break in the long term. 

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Vlad the Mighty

For those who still cling on to a sense of proportion,

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The Mueller indictment doesn’t charge any collusion between Trump and the Russians. In fact, it doesn’t even mention the word. Mueller also doesn’t draw any direct links between the troll farm in St. Petersburg and the Putin government in Moscow. And, most significantly, Mueller doesn’t allege that any of the nefarious trolling had the slightest “Butterfly effect” on the outcome of the 2016 elections.

As reading material, the Mueller indictment failed to offer any of the narrative thrills contained in the Steele Dossier. This is not a “dirty indictment.” In fact, it was hard to detect where the slapstick ended and the crimes began. The document can be neatly summarized as: they came, they saw, they tweeted–tweeting out mostly links to stories in the New York Times, Washington Post and, deliciously, 267 retweets of posts by Joy Ann Reid, one of MSDNC’s apex Russian witch-hunters. But to what end? The Russian infiltrators seem to have gotten their degrees in espionage from a mail-order school, perhaps Trump University. Disoriented by the complexities of the electoral college system, they had to be advised by an American contact that they should concentrate their meddlesome activities on the “purple states.”

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/02/23/99972/

(and this is a leftie publication, not "alt-right"). 

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Farmer77
8 minutes ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

For those who still cling on to a sense of proportion,

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/02/23/99972/

(and this is a leftie publication, not "alt-right"). 

I think this quote kinda says all is needed about the authors credibility 

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In the wake of the Mueller indictment, the normally restrained David Axelrod joined the attack on Jill Stein as a Trojan Horse for the Trump/Putin ticket, suggesting that her 50,000 votes in Michigan helped turn the election. He fails to note that this was a fairly dismal showing for the Greens there. In 2000, Nader garnered 84,000 votes in Michigan with no help from Russian trolls, elves or orcs.

Well no **** Ralph Nader pulled more votes in Michigan than Jill Stein. Nader was a national phenomenon running for president as a culmination of a 40 something year political career, Stein (who btw did have some meetings with the russkies prior to her running) was essentially an unknown commodity. To try and draw any conclusions from the two vote tallies really exposes the authors bias' or ignorance. 

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Vlad the Mighty

The author in question used to be on your side, as a reasonably pro-Obama liberal (and certainly holds Trump in disdain). But now everything is a vast right-wing conspiracy isn't it. You've now climbed on board with the Great Hillary herself. :no: 

 

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Let’s try to put the troll offensive in context. The 2016 presidential elections were the most expensive in history, with both parties spending a combined $2.4 billion. Of this, the Clinton and Trump campaigns bought $81 million worth of advertising on Facebook. Contrast this with the $100,000 the Russians spent on Facebook ad buys. In the battleground states, Russian Facebook ad buys totaled $300 in Pennsylvania, $832 in Michigan, and $1979 in Wisconsin, all but $54 of that before the primary. If this amounted to subversion, it was definitely subversion on the cheap.

:D 

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9 minutes ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

The author in question used to be on your side, as a reasonably pro-Obama liberal (and certainly holds Trump in disdain). But now everything is a vast right-wing conspiracy isn't it. You've now climbed on board with the Great Hillary herself. :no: 

 

 

yes or to put it another way he's now in bed with 'The Great Hillary' and I'm just about to write a dossier aaaaaall about it .......

.... :geek:

 

 

 

 

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Farmer77
16 minutes ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

The author in question used to be on your side, as a reasonably pro-Obama liberal (and certainly holds Trump in disdain). But now everything is a vast right-wing conspiracy isn't it. You've now climbed on board with the Great Hillary herself. :no: 

 

Man you and the assumptions. 

I wasn't pro Obama 

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Vlad the Mighty
1 hour ago, Farmer77 said:

Man you and the assumptions. 

I wasn't pro Obama 

I was just trying to point out that he's not one who'd go to any lengths to defend Trump. 

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Astra.
4 hours ago, bee said:

 to put it another way he's now in bed with 'The Great Hillary'....

.... :geek:

Perish the thought....surely no man would be that desperate bee......even Bill couldn't get a thrill from the shrill :lol:..  

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Merc14
7 hours ago, Paranormal Panther said:

No, I just haven't been driven insane by hate for Trump. I hear and see the Democratic propaganda news outlets for the liars that they are. Just look at CNN's *fake* discussion in which they used scripts. Even the New York Times came clean on their extreme bias during the presidential campaign.

There truly are some crazies here who went over the edge after the election.  I really have never seen anything like it and am just enjoying my fatter pay check and the total lack of ISIS news.  Hopefully we start seeing some democrats making that perp walk soon but I think we'll see some real insanity from the usual suspects as their last dream crumbles away and reality sets in that collusion and obstruction exist only in their fevered minds. 

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