Vorg Posted February 17, 2018 #51 Share Posted February 17, 2018 8 hours ago, Why not said: If Queen Hillary would have taken her rightful place in the White House we would never have heard a peep about anything Russian. Not a word. So true. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted February 17, 2018 #52 Share Posted February 17, 2018 2 hours ago, ExpandMyMind said: Exactly. They are making it clear that this isn't an attack on the legitimacy of Trump's Presidency. So, y'know, he doesn't fire them. How would there be evidence of something that wasn't being investigated? You pretend now that if there was something, it wouldn't be in these allegations anyway? Harte 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted February 17, 2018 #53 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Well, it's not exactly like they're gonna be extradited, anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted February 17, 2018 #54 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Omg...they probably can't vacation in the French Riviera anymore. What a hardship that must be. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted February 17, 2018 #55 Share Posted February 17, 2018 9 hours ago, ExpandMyMind said: Why would anyone have egg on their face when this proves that Russia meddled in the election? You, yourself have just admitted it is an attack on your democracy. I ‘admitted the attack on our democracy’? I never have denied it. I’ve been one of the few that has been saying that it has been going on for some time now. Harte posted a good article on it. I would say that it has been going a lot longer than WWII. Both National Socialism and Communism grew here during the depression. That means foreign influence came in. The thing is, is that we’ve been meddling in their business for almost as long. That probably goes back to John Paul Jones?? This is the game that adversaries play, nothing more. The MSM has egg on their face because Trump isn’t involved like they wished. The MSM is now trying to raise doubts of another affair. I wonder how much they are paying her? They are going to invent, er… dig up anything they can. At this rate, they’ll end up bankrupt. There is clearly Russian influence going on. Our Media has been bought and paid for by the Kremlin. Our 1st Amendment has been shredded. But, one can’t blame Russia. They were just ‘playing the game’. It is the MSM that bears responsibility for being the attack arm of the Progs. They have been doing Russia’s bidding at their own expense. What is telling is this Parkland shooting. The FBI has pulled so many resources to go after Trump that those like Nikolas Cruz slip through. This highlights that our law enforcement agencies are nearly overextended. Radical Islam is about to the point where their continual probing will soon find a serious weakness and we’re going to get hurt. Our agencies will soon need to make a decision whether to continue down a path of folly or defend this nation? Hell, after over a year of Trump denying Russian Meddling, even he admitted for the first time yesterday that Russia did indeed meddle. No, he has never denied that Russia has interfered. He has denied that he and/or his team has colluded with Russia. We hear that if Trump doesn’t impose sanctions, then he was colluding. That is not so. Sometimes the best action is to take no action. Considering that Obama was just slapping Trump with sanctions on Russia before he left, doesn’t mean Trump has to follow the same course. He may have a better idea than war with Russia. Trump has expressed interest in changing the status quo between the two nations. That does not indicate collusion and that doesn’t mean he wants to be best buds with Putin. Obama was praised for opening up to Castro and Chavez. Isn’t preventing nuclear war worthy of praise? Let’s see if Trump has the right idea? If he does impose sanctions then Putin will just think, “oh, typical stupid Americans” and will redouble his influence activities. If Trump just follows a vigilant course, seeking and catching agents, send them home and tell Putin to try harder will probably change the paradigm in such a way that Putin may be impressed and seek some kind of normalization? That’s just one possibility. But the key here is to show Putin that his interfering is not bothering us. The MSM is acting like it is the end of the world. It is not, it is just part of the game. Now the wire fraud, etc. is a different matter. Those caught should be prosecuted for those crimes. But holding rallies is no crime. That's the opposite of embarrassing for the MSM. No, it’s you being an idiot! [snipped] I'm pretty sure he is. Mueller still wants to interview him and the investigation is far from over. Someone's been quoted as saying this is a 'small piece of a larger pie'. No, he is not. Rosenstein has cleared him. Now to be honest about it, I’ve been running that sentence over and over, to see if there is an unspoken “however” or “but”. It’s just not there. Mueller can want all he wants to. There is now no reason for Trump to talk to him. If this investigation goes any further (into the Trump/Russian collusion), it will prove itself to be a witch hunt. At this point in time, Trump doesn’t have the right to talk to Mueller. I'd say it's probably a toss-up. At least we agree on something. We have to realize that this government is still Obama’s and it may take Trump’s entire term to purge it. This mockery of justice will give him the capitol he needs to clean house. No, he didn't. ZZ has already responded and showed where you are wrong. If finding evidence of what the Counsel was formed to find is a nothing burger, then it's got quite a bit of meat for one. The Counsel was formed to go after Trump and his collusion with Russia. There is none and the FBI is trying to save face. They had this story months ago and held on to it because it would have cleared Trump. Now that Nunes’ memo came out, they were looking for an appropriate time to dump it, a time when they wouldn’t look as bad. Apologise for being correct? No, for being wrong about Trump. It is your hatred that is driving this, not the facts. We've been saying for over a year that Russia meddled in your election and Trump has been outright denying it for a year, despite all his intelligence agencies telling him otherwise, along with most of his followers. And again, no one has been denying Russian interference. It is just a fact of life. It’s not news. It is news to those that aren’t very aware of the world around them. These are the same gullibles that hate Trump. Trump has been denying involvement with Russia. He has been proved right and you wrong. How you think you can spin this into a positive for Trump is astounding. It takes some serious mental gymnastics to do so. There is no spin, or I should say that the spinning has stopped. It is positive for Trump and the nation. The mental gymnastics is just common sense. Again, Trump is right and you are wrong and you can’t deal with it. So you are going to continue to drag your face through the excrement all on your own to prove it. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranormal Panther Posted February 17, 2018 #56 Share Posted February 17, 2018 10 hours ago, ExpandMyMind said: YouTube commenter are idiots. But I guess they're still people. If you want a better understanding of how most of the Left feels on these matters, Reddit would be a better source. I'm not sure that I could stand the amen corners in the echo chamber. There likely is a fair amount of variation among the Left on a range of issues. In this particular case, my guess is that some Sanders fans and/or Stein fans are at odds with some Clinton fans. The Right has similar divisions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranormal Panther Posted February 17, 2018 #57 Share Posted February 17, 2018 19 hours ago, South Alabam said: Here's the obvious bias from the writers perspective: represents the most detailed allegations to date of illegal Russian meddling during the campaign that sent Trump to the White House. In other words if the Russians hadn't meddled, Hillary would be in the White house. Can they prove the Russians caused one person to vote for Trump? I don't know. Maybe some soccer mom was swayed by the meme that portrayed Clinton as Satan. I don't need a cartoonish meme to tell me the obvious. I see the horns and smell the sulfur each time I see the excuse-making demon. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorg Posted February 18, 2018 #58 Share Posted February 18, 2018 3 hours ago, Paranormal Panther said: I don't know. Maybe some soccer mom was swayed by the meme that portrayed Clinton as Satan. I don't need a cartoonish meme to tell me the obvious. I see the horns and smell the sulfur each time I see the excuse-making demon. Yep, I hate to keep bringing her name up, but it is the counter to and source of all the "Russia collusion" mess. Whether or not Trump is finally vindicated, we'll see. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted February 18, 2018 #59 Share Posted February 18, 2018 The "indictment", if you can dignify it by calling it that, is really very funny. Excerpts from it here http://theduran.com/breaking-mueller-concludes-russians-posted-mean-things-on-social-media-about-hillary-clinton/ , but here's one highlight: Quote KRYLOVA and BOGACHEVA “traveled in and around the United States, including stops in Nevada, California, New Mexico, Colorado, Illinois, Michigan, Louisiana, Texas, and New York to gather intelligence, After the trip, KRYLOVA and BURCHIK exchanged an intelligence report regarding the trip.” Exchanged an intelligence report regarding the trip! "So here I am, where's that, Comrade Aleksandra? "Oh, probably the Grand Canyon, honey, it's hard to tell because my finger's over the lens, I'm afraid I'm never any good at taking selfies". "But here, look! Here am I in New York! And that in the background might possibly be the Trump Tower." At this point the Grand Inquisitor, Brother Mueller, stands up and points a tremulous finger. "See? They had contact with Trump! This is all the proof we need! To the dungeons with them!" "But they are in Moscow, under the protective wing of their reviled leader, O Grand Master", protests a minion. "Very well! To the dungeons with Trump! Some Shadowy Russians once took a selfie of themselves with a what might possibly be a building owned by him in the background! Put him to the Inquisition!" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted February 18, 2018 #60 Share Posted February 18, 2018 (edited) On 2/16/2018 at 11:03 PM, Gromdor said: Criminally guilty? Wire fraud, bank fraud, aggravated identity theft, etc. That stuff seems a little more serious than just whining about Hillary. and how much of it was remotely serious enough to warrant a Special Investigation and the very head of the FBI being involved and millions of taxpayers' dollars being spent on it for years? Those were all things that any competent judge could have handled. Edited February 18, 2018 by Vlad the Mighty 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted February 18, 2018 #61 Share Posted February 18, 2018 On 2/16/2018 at 11:18 PM, Gromdor said: You could be a Russian troll if you did like Hillary. The purpose of the Russian social media campaign is to create divides and reduce trust in the various establishments: https://www.axios.com/how-russians-use-social-media-to-divide-americans-1513305823-1664ea55-c345-487b-b1b1-d3e028243f88.htm As such they pose as members on both sides of the arguments and fan the flames. so it's no-lose, isn't it! Whether you're pro Hilarity or anti Hillary, pro Trump or anti Trump, pro Obama or anti Obam, pro Putin or anti Putin, or you just like pictures of puppies, it's all proof of a Russkie plot! I suppose the only proof against a Russkie plot would be if the entire United States was absolutely unified in 100% adoration of Her - and of course have unquestioning 100% loyalty and trust in American Institutions. So anyone having an opinion of their own at all on anything it's all because of a Russkie plot!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted February 18, 2018 #62 Share Posted February 18, 2018 42 minutes ago, Vlad the Mighty said: The "indictment", if you can dignify it by calling it that, is really very funny. Excerpts from it here http://theduran.com/breaking-mueller-concludes-russians-posted-mean-things-on-social-media-about-hillary-clinton/ , the comments are good as well --- a couple of them.. "I am a Belgian and I posted also bad things about Kilary Clinton. Why am I not indicted? Why are they not investigating Belgian interference in US elections? I feel humiliated now." "Vote Trump in the next election!!!Now Mueller comes after me?LOL:-)Ps: Im not a US american." I made a few pro Trump comments on line before the election...... should I expect a knock on the door and will the UK government receive demands for my extradition....? *hides under the bed.... no no better not hide there that's where they always look for Reds... .... quickly puts on a disguise .... (little plastic mustache out of a christmas cracker) * 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted February 18, 2018 #63 Share Posted February 18, 2018 1 minute ago, bee said: the comments are good as well --- a couple of them.. "I am a Belgian and I posted also bad things about Kilary Clinton. Why am I not indicted? Why are they not investigating Belgian interference in US elections? I feel humiliated now." "Vote Trump in the next election!!!Now Mueller comes after me?LOL:-)Ps: Im not a US american." I made a few pro Trump comments on line before the election...... should I expect a knock on the door and will the UK government receive demands for my extradition....? *hides under the bed.... no no better not hide there that's where they always look for Reds... .... quickly puts on a disguise .... (little plastic mustache out of a christmas cracker) * Noooooo... now you look like Stalin !!! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted February 18, 2018 #64 Share Posted February 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Vlad the Mighty said: so it's no-lose, isn't it! Whether you're pro Hilarity or anti Hillary, pro Trump or anti Trump, pro Obama or anti Obam, pro Putin or anti Putin, or you just like pictures of puppies, it's all proof of a Russkie plot! I suppose the only proof against a Russkie plot would be if the entire United States was absolutely unified in 100% adoration of Her - and of course have unquestioning 100% loyalty and trust in American Institutions. So anyone having an opinion of their own at all on anything it's all because of a Russkie plot!! I think that is a trifle harsh, Vlad ? The allegations ARE serious... and imply an attack on the US democratic process. It is worth spending a few millions just to test whether or not there IS a danger ? Judges are not trained in investigation per se .. they are trained in jurisprudence and the US code of law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted February 18, 2018 #65 Share Posted February 18, 2018 1 minute ago, RoofGardener said: Noooooo... now you look like Stalin !!! Oh no !,,, FFS --- maybe the mustache isn't a good idea - *quickly changes mustache for the plastic glasses with nose attached* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted February 18, 2018 #66 Share Posted February 18, 2018 1 minute ago, RoofGardener said: I think that is a trifle harsh, Vlad ? The allegations ARE serious... and imply an attack on the US democratic process. It is worth spending a few millions just to test whether or not there IS a danger ? Judges are not trained in investigation per se .. they are trained in jurisprudence and the US code of law. ARE serious? By Spreading information* about Her on Socialist Media? Compared to what elements in Washington have done to interfere in other countries' democratic processes it hardly registers. And for heaven's sake, look what US Media has been saying about Russia's Leader Vladimir Putin. You'll be trying to tell me they aren't trying to interfere in Russia's internal affairs? * not "fibs", even they don't go so far as to say that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted February 18, 2018 #67 Share Posted February 18, 2018 12 minutes ago, bee said: Oh no !,,, FFS --- maybe the mustache isn't a good idea - *quickly changes mustache for the plastic glasses with nose attached* Ummm.... now you've gone from Stalinism to Marxism ? Admittedly, it's Groucho Marx-ism.... but you know how paranoid these Americans can be ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted February 18, 2018 #68 Share Posted February 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, RoofGardener said: Ummm.... now you've gone from Stalinism to Marxism ? Admittedly, it's Groucho Marx-ism.... but you know how paranoid these Americans can be ? lol oooookaaay ---- plan B when they pound on the door in the middle of the night I will just shout ... "there's nobody here" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted February 18, 2018 #69 Share Posted February 18, 2018 1 minute ago, bee said: lol oooookaaay ---- plan B when they pound on the door in the middle of the night I will just shout ... "there's nobody here" < inspects plan carefully > Hmmm... nope.. can't see any faults with that one. Sounds great... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted February 18, 2018 #70 Share Posted February 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Vlad the Mighty said: The "indictment", if you can dignify it by calling it that, is really very funny. Excerpts from it here http://theduran.com/breaking-mueller-concludes-russians-posted-mean-things-on-social-media-about-hillary-clinton/ they weren't partisan fussy and liked Bernie as well I see... quote.. Mueller’s indictment states that the Russians “were instructed to post content that focused on ‘politics in the USA’ and to ‘use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump—we support them)’.” I don't think Sanders is a Globalist..?.... and he opposed the Trans Pacific Partnership so that's probably why (among other things) Russia preferred Sanders or Trump to Clinton - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted February 18, 2018 #71 Share Posted February 18, 2018 The Russians want our country to fail...they don't give a proverbial rat's azz who the President is just so we fail. <That is the reality of the situation. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted February 18, 2018 #72 Share Posted February 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Lilly said: The Russians want our country to fail...they don't give a proverbial rat's azz who the President is just so we fail. <That is the reality of the situation. Hmmm... intriguing. I'd agree with that, up to a point. Interesting implications though; they believe that supporting Donald Trump for presidency would contributing to making "America fail". Whilst that would come to no surprise to the anti-Trump brigade, I'm not entirely sure that the Russians will be entirely pleased with the outcome ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted February 18, 2018 #73 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Just now, RoofGardener said: Hmmm... intriguing. I'd agree with that, up to a point. Interesting implications though; they believe that supporting Donald Trump for presidency would contributing to making "America fail". Keep in mind some of these Russian guys also tried to stir up anti-Trump sentiment as well. More like playing both sides against the middle and each other IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted February 18, 2018 #74 Share Posted February 18, 2018 6 hours ago, Vlad the Mighty said: so it's no-lose, isn't it! Whether you're pro Hilarity or anti Hillary, pro Trump or anti Trump, pro Obama or anti Obam, pro Putin or anti Putin, or you just like pictures of puppies, it's all proof of a Russkie plot! I suppose the only proof against a Russkie plot would be if the entire United States was absolutely unified in 100% adoration of Her - and of course have unquestioning 100% loyalty and trust in American Institutions. So anyone having an opinion of their own at all on anything it's all because of a Russkie plot!! It's basically like the bitter outsider giving each person in a couple going through relationship problems pictures of their significant other with someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranormal Panther Posted February 18, 2018 #75 Share Posted February 18, 2018 19 hours ago, South Alabam said: Yep, I hate to keep bringing her name up, but it is the counter to and source of all the "Russia collusion" mess. Whether or not Trump is finally vindicated, we'll see. There's an urban legend that she appears if you say her name six times while gazing into a mirror in a dark room. I don't have the nerve to try it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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