Russians indicted for campaign interference

[Vorg]

Don't worry about me trying either, I'll take my chances with Bloody Mary.

[Agent0range]

17 hours ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

ARE serious? By Spreading information* about Her on Socialist Media? Compared to what elements in Washington have done to interfere in other countries' democratic processes it hardly registers. And for heaven's sake, look what US Media has been saying about Russia's Leader Vladimir Putin. You'll be trying to tell me they aren't trying to interfere in Russia's internal affairs? 

* not "fibs", even they don't go so far as to say that

I guess we have forgotten about there attempts to hack into voter systems in numerous states?  Keep sticking your head in the sand.

[Space Commander Travis]

4 hours ago, Agent0range said:

I guess we have forgotten about there attempts to hack into voter systems in numerous states?  Keep sticking your head in the sand.

"in numerous states"? Do you mean loyal allies of the US that would say whatever the US tells them to? And what were they trying to do if they did? 

[+OverSword]

What gets me about this indictment is the shear hypocrisy of our government.  In the upkeep of our global power we meddle in the internal affairs of virtually every nation on the planet.  Don't like a regime?  Destabilize the country bringing on suffering to millions in the hopes of installing a puppet government.  Assassination?  No problem.  Funding new US friendly political parties?  It's our favorite hobby.  Bribing the rich of a nation to throw their own poor under our bus?  We're old hats.  Enslave entire third world countries by putting them eternally in high interest debt in exchange for building infrastructure our big fuel corporations need in order to extract all of their natural resources for a quarterly profit?  What else could our governments purpose on earth possibly be?  But this Russia social media campaign in a pointless attempt to influence an election?  OUTRAGEOUS!

[Paranormal Panther]

23 hours ago, South Alabam said:

Don't worry about me trying either, I'll take my chances with Bloody Mary.

If Clinton had won, I would have taken my chances with Jim Beam. Bloody Mary would have been welcome too. 

[Lilly]

Here's what bothers me about this, I was watching CNN after this all went down and the reporters there were saying that Mr Rosenstein clearly indicated that Trump campaign members were going to be indicted very soon. I immediately looked for confirmation of this from other sources...there was none. Sure, it could be true that at some point in the future Mr Mueller could indict more people from the Trump campaign, but what Mr Rosenstein said in his remarks was not what the CNN reporters were saying. Basically, the CNN reporters I saw were simply not telling the truth about Mr Rosenstein's remarks. 

Now, being an advocate for a political party (a pundit) isn't the same thing as being someone who is supposed to be reporting the news. CNN appears to not have made the distinction very well. There needs to be a push for this kind of thing (pundits pretending to be objective reporters) to stop immediately. 

[+OverSword]

I'm not disagreeing with you Lilly but I don't see how this could be done aside from just never tuning in.

[Dark_Grey]

On 2/18/2018 at 8:32 AM, Gromdor said:

It's basically like the bitter outsider giving each person in a couple going through relationship problems pictures of their significant other with someone else.

It's more like "a bitter outsider giving each person in a couple going through relationship problems pictures of their significant other with someone else. The woman is handed pictures of her husband with a prostitute and the man is handed pictures of his wife holding a bloody axe over a pile of bodies."

If the Ruskies tried to sew seeds of American discontent by pulling all the skeletons from closets, it backfired in a way that's favorable to America and ultimately the free world. They circumvented the media that has always protected the Clintons' and thus made very public all of Shillary's crimes. Millions of people were educated online through memes, social media posts and such. So much so, that even with celebrity endorsements, hundreds of millions of dollars spent and a propped up clown candidate, Trump, Hillary still lost. Russia effectively dried up her donations, closed her Clinton Foundation and guaranteed she will never be President. Not to mention fundamentally changing the way Americans' view network news which will have yuuuge implications for years to come.

I liken this to a man caught stealing bread to feed his starving family. Yes, stealing is crime and the thief should be jailed but his kids won't go hungry. Something virtuous and good came of it. 

 

Edited February 20, 2018 by Dark_Grey

[Merc14]

4 hours ago, Lilly said:

Here's what bothers me about this, I was watching CNN after this all went down and the reporters there were saying that Mr Rosenstein clearly indicated that Trump campaign members were going to be indicted very soon. I immediately looked for confirmation of this from other sources...there was none. Sure, it could be true that at some point in the future Mr Mueller could indict more people from the Trump campaign, but what Mr Rosenstein said in his remarks was not what the CNN reporters were saying. Basically, the CNN reporters I saw were simply not telling the truth about Mr Rosenstein's remarks. 

Now, being an advocate for a political party (a pundit) isn't the same thing as being someone who is supposed to be reporting the news. CNN appears to not have made the distinction very well. There needs to be a push for this kind of thing (pundits pretending to be objective reporters) to stop immediately. 

I think that CNN is beside themselves with with worry that Mueller really doesn't have anything on Trump and that the Russians weren't really working to help Trump, they were working to disrupt the US and they are willing participants.  Before the election they were hitting Hillary  and shortly after the election they were hurting Trump, why the shift?  The shift shows that they were after the likely President and before the election they, like most everyone else, believed that would be Hillary Clinton so they were attacking her and pretty much ignoring Sanders,Trump and the rest.  When Trump won everything changed and they were sudden;ly attacking him by hosting anti-Trump rallies that the MSM were happy to promote.

Edited February 20, 2018 by Merc14

[+and-then]

18 hours ago, Paranormal Panther said:

If Clinton had won, I would have taken my chances with Jim Beam. Bloody Mary would have been welcome too. 

My bets were on Windham and Ruger...

[Gromdor]

32 minutes ago, and then said:

My bets were on Windham and Ruger...

Now, now.  Those are the type of early warning signs that the Florida shooter demonstrated that no one acted on.  

[Astra.]

IMO, these Russian trolls certainly aren't going to hang around while waiting to be indicted...let alone be extradited. Would the Russian government even allow that to happen ?...they've no doubt gone underground by now.

From what I gathered, these nationalists were renting out two floors in an obscure type of building as to set up this cosy operation, and recently only had one month to go before the lease ran out. I think that these people only played a very small roll in trying to disrupt the election, and were only a drop in the bucket..compared to the bigger fish that were behind the set up. 

Even if the Mueller investigation have the names of those involved, I can't help but think it's only going to end up being a wild goose chase as to try and interview, let alone prosecute any of them.

 

[+and-then]

5 hours ago, Gromdor said:

Now, now.  Those are the type of early warning signs that the Florida shooter demonstrated that no one acted on.  

Grommy, I welcome the scrutiny any time, no invitation needed.  I'm just a typical guy in a typical southern town.  That's what scares the crap out of those that would attempt to just run roughshod over the U.S.     I think that kid was obviously messed up and was advertising it for all the world to see that wanted to see it.

[Gromdor]

Just now, and then said:

Grommy, I welcome the scrutiny any time, no invitation needed.  I'm just a typical guy in a typical southern town.  That's what scares the crap out of those that would attempt to just run roughshod over the U.S.     I think that kid was obviously messed up and was advertising it for all the world to see that wanted to see it.

Eh, it tends to swing back like a pendulum.  I'm totally expecting the FBI and police to crack down just to save face.  Some of my Facebook friends love to post their gun pics and second amendment solution memes.  Which while normally amusing to me, is probably a bad timing on their part.  Especially since I just gave a positive reference for one of them for a part time elementary school janitor job. 

[+and-then]

Just now, Gromdor said:

Eh, it tends to swing back like a pendulum.  I'm totally expecting the FBI and police to crack down just to save face.  Some of my Facebook friends love to post their gun pics and second amendment solution memes.  Which while normally amusing to me, is probably a bad timing on their part.  Especially since I just gave a positive reference for one of them for a part time elementary school janitor job. 

Yeah, I can see the logic of not pushing your luck if you want to go to work with any aspect of the government or its institutions.  I also can see the need for them to be hyper-vigilant and I wasn't kidding, if they want to talk to me about my freedom of expression and what I mean, I'm happy to have a chat - with a lawyer present, of course  

[Astra.]

On 17/02/2018 at 6:06 PM, ExpandMyMind said:

 We've been saying for over a year that Russia meddled in your election and Trump has been outright denying it for a year, despite all his intelligence agencies telling him otherwise, along with most of his followers. 

Indeed...as Donald Trump was very reluctant to admit this. He was obviously afraid that it may have undermined his actual win I suppose.

He was also compelled to ask Mr Putin 'twice' in whether Russia had interfered in the US election.... in which of course, Putin had denied....and Trump was more than happy to have taken his word....(which btw, is on record).

Even so, what I'm more interested in now. Is what are the consequences going to be for the 13 Russians, and others involved who did this meddling. Because I seriously can't see any indictments, let alone any extraditions happening.

I'm also curious as to how this will be stopped from happening again in future elections etc...

Honestly,  it wouldn't surprise me at all, if there are more groups involved with this cyber meddling right throughout parts of Russia. Maybe there are many more meddling cells (so to speak).. 

 

[+and-then]

I heard today that one of the "grassroots" NOT MY PRESIDENT rallies that CNN salivated over and advertised repeatedly for free, was all a Russian effort.  Funny that we haven't heard them apologize or admit they were taken in and used as tools.  The truth is that they were delighted, at the time, to tell the world about this brave crowd of anti-Trump Americans.  I doubt that a single person who attended those rallies regrets it today.  So much for Russian meddling...

[Astra.]

6 minutes ago, and then said:

I heard today that one of the "grassroots" NOT MY PRESIDENT rallies that CNN salivated over and advertised repeatedly for free, was all a Russian effort.  Funny that we haven't heard them apologize or admit they were taken in and used as tools.  The truth is that they were delighted, at the time, to tell the world about this brave crowd of anti-Trump Americans.  I doubt that a single person who attended those rallies regrets it today.  So much for Russian meddling...

That's interesting and then. I wonder if the 'Scream at the Sky' rally was also started by cyber manipulation by the Russians as well....seriously that was just embarrassing.  

[+and-then]

6 minutes ago, Astra. said:

That's interesting and then. I wonder if the 'Scream at the Sky' rally was also started by cyber manipulation by the Russians as well....seriously that was just embarrassing.  

I have no idea but I suspect that was just a self-indulgent snowflake who knew the cameras were watching.  Yes, she(?) was quite an embarrassment.

[Space Commander Travis]

Funny that now that it's clear that all the Trump/Russian collusion stuff has been shown to be nonsense, now all of a sudden everything was in fact a Russkie plot! 

[Astra.]

9 minutes ago, and then said:

I have no idea but I suspect that was just a self-indulgent snowflake who knew the cameras were watching.  Yes, she(?) was quite an embarrassment.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/thousands-to-scream-helplessly-at-the-sky-to-mark-anniversary-of-trump-presidency/article/2638631

Yeah, I just did a quick search to see who's brain-child this was to scream-helplessly-at-the-sky. Apparently it was someone by the name of Nathan Whal on FB who was the coordinator...or at least one of them. 

See, this is the thing now. What rallies...or else may have been executed (and still is) by 'planting the seed' (so to speak) by using social media as a tool by stirring things up with the people. Apparently these cyber meddlers could also steal peoples identities as well. It's all rather disturbing when you think about it.   

 

 

[Astra.]

46 minutes ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

Funny that now that it's clear that all the Trump/Russian collusion stuff has been shown to be nonsense, now all of a sudden everything was in fact a Russkie plot! 

And how do we know that you're not really a cyber Russkie Vlad...you certainly change your name a lot  ..

[Space Commander Travis]

I mean goodness, the Noo Yoik Times, probably not intending to, sums up how silly the whole "The Russkies are responsible for sowing dissent!" argument is.

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Russian-linked bots have rallied around other divisive issues, often ones that President Trump has tweeted about. They promoted Twitter hashtags like #boycottnfl, #standforouranthem and #takeaknee after some National Football League players started kneeling during the national anthem to protest racial injustice.

The automated Twitter accounts helped popularize the #releasethememo hashtag, ...

 

 

So basically any dissent at all, from any political angle, is all because of that versatile and hard-working Troll Farm^(TM)! They encouraged pro-Standing for the Anthem and pro-Not Standing but Kneeling campaigns! Those people must have the most cost-effective operation in history! 

[Paranormal Panther]

17 hours ago, and then said:

I heard today that one of the "grassroots" NOT MY PRESIDENT rallies that CNN salivated over and advertised repeatedly for free, was all a Russian effort.  Funny that we haven't heard them apologize or admit they were taken in and used as tools.  The truth is that they were delighted, at the time, to tell the world about this brave crowd of anti-Trump Americans.  I doubt that a single person who attended those rallies regrets it today.  So much for Russian meddling...

It's like a paranoid Pandora's Box of psychosis. There's a crazy conspiracy theory, about crisis actors, aided by the Gateway Pundit. Jake Tapper claims that the Russians are behind it because they want to divide Americans. Could it *be* more hypocritical and ironic than that? CNN and the rest of the Democrat mouthpieces engender more division in a day than Vladimir's bots and trolls do in a year. Any person, with an IQ above room temperature, could tell you that we don't need any Russians to sow seeds of discord. We have the best "farmers" in the world. Some of them even plant crops in other countries. 

[Farmer77]

3 hours ago, Paranormal Panther said:

CNN and the rest of the Democrat mouthpieces engender more division in a day than Vladimir's bots and trolls do in a year.

Just because they're reporting real news that shines the clownshow in Washington in a bad light doesn't mean they're intentionally spreading division. What is happening on a daily basis in Washington is absurd and it needs to be reported on. Hell the sad truth is there is so much absurdity coming from 1600 penn ave right now that A TON of it doesn't even get what I would consider appropriate coverage. 

As for Tapper, if he is a democrat it really doesn't come through in his reporting. The following is just what pops up first on a quick google search. 

 

 

Edited February 22, 2018 by Farmer77