Illyrius Posted February 23, 2018 #101 Share Posted February 23, 2018 26 minutes ago, Ellapennella said: From its beginnings, Hollywood has been an empire of tragedies, full of lost lives, drugs, and real life drama, but this troupe lifestyle is nothing new. The stage has long been the site of tragedy and something much darker – ritual invocation, all the way back to the ancient Greeks and Romans. For Greece and Rome, the stage was sacred, where the dramaturgical interactions of the gods were actually a form of magical invocation. Well propaganda is generally a form of hypnotic magic. Hollywood and the music industry have more influence in this respect on general public than newspapers or news channels do. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted February 23, 2018 Author #102 Share Posted February 23, 2018 35 minutes ago, jmccr8 said: Hi Ella So how does that relate to the other forms of entertainment that I have earlier mentioned like beheadings and hangings? Trhere was nothing subliminal about that, and to be honest how many books have almost a Christ theme they are entertainment as well. We can inject all kinds of interpretations but they are only on an individual basis. Where do these interpretations end for you, video game there are many activities that could be interpreted in different way even dancing. jmccr8 hi. I have to find & reread your post in regards to the highlighted part. I don't disagree that there are books & programs that misinform biblical interpretation for money. So, you're asking me when does it end and you're calling it interpretations but they're two sides that are at war from the beginning. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted February 23, 2018 #103 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Ellapennella said: hi. I have to find & reread your post in regards to the highlighted part. I don't disagree that there are books & programs that misinform biblical interpretation for money. So, you're asking me when does it end and you're calling it interpretations but they're two sides that are at war from the beginning. Hi Ella War? Are different interpretations of art a war? I am not so sure of that. jmccr8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illyrius Posted February 23, 2018 #104 Share Posted February 23, 2018 "They Live" is an excellent "documentary" about the power of propaganda. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted February 23, 2018 Author #105 Share Posted February 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, jmccr8 said: Hi Ella War? Are different interpretations of art a war? I am not so sure of that. jmccr8 Spiritual war for the mind ect. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted February 23, 2018 Author #106 Share Posted February 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, Illyrius said: "They Live" is an excellent "documentary" about the power of propaganda. You seen that? I seen some if it. I think I'm gonna watched that this weekend. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Unicorn Posted February 23, 2018 #107 Share Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) On 2/22/2018 at 10:11 AM, XenoFish said: I like this I just wanted to add that Hollywood people are just artists who reflect the society around themselves including myths, hopes and fears of people for entertainment and promoting their own livelyhood. It doesn't make all of them part of some kind of conspiracy or occultists. Edited February 23, 2018 by White Unicorn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illyrius Posted February 23, 2018 #108 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Ellapennella said: You seen that? I seen some if it. I think I'm gonna watched that this weekend. Yes. I recommend, very educational. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted February 23, 2018 #109 Share Posted February 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, White Unicorn said: Hollywood people are artists that reflect the society around themselves including myths, hopes and fears of people for entertainment and promoting their own livelyhood. It doesn't make all of them part of some kind of conspiracy or occultists. It doesn't make any of them a part of some grand conspiracy. I think if you want to look at social control, you don't need to go any further than religion. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted February 23, 2018 Author #110 Share Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, XenoFish said: It doesn't make any of them a part of some grand conspiracy. I think if you want to look at social control, you don't need to go any further than religion. What are you speaking about? Moral Reasoning in life of knowing right from wrong? Edited February 23, 2018 by Ellapennella 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted February 23, 2018 #111 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Ellapennella said: What are you speaking about? Moral Reasoning in life of knowing right from wrong? What I'm getting at is that religions are the best at swaying people into a herd. They've had longer to master the art of suggestion, control by fear, and dominance. They are adept at using symbolism to sway the mind. Which gives them some level of control over people. This isn't about some 'evil or spiritual' forces it's about ideas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illyrius Posted February 23, 2018 #112 Share Posted February 23, 2018 29 minutes ago, XenoFish said: It doesn't make any of them a part of some grand conspiracy. I think if you want to look at social control, you don't need to go any further than religion. Oh yes you do.. you have to go further through education, movie and music industry, and through all media outlets that exist. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted February 23, 2018 #113 Share Posted February 23, 2018 20 hours ago, Ellapennella said: Well, when they're lying to influence it's manipulation. Art and religion are not one in the same. Art and a political agenda are not one in the same. Art and sorcery are not one in the same. And art magic are not one in the same. Art is imitation really of the creation. And magic is an illusion ,for the something was always there, just hidden. So yeah, the definition of art is being used like a cover for things that some people are doing and calling it art. Um. That's not the definition of art. I'd like to hear more about this claim that they are lying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted February 23, 2018 #114 Share Posted February 23, 2018 I'm going to use my psychic powers to predicted that this thread will soon amount to nothing more than a circle-jerk of confirmation bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted February 23, 2018 Author #115 Share Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, XenoFish said: What I'm getting at is that religions are the best at swaying people into a herd. They've had longer to master the art of suggestion, control by fear, and dominance. They are adept at using symbolism to sway the mind. Which gives them some level of control over people. This isn't about some 'evil or spiritual' forces it's about ideas. God the Creator of us all does not need me to fight you for him. There is a Spiritual war and yes it's been around since the beginning so whatever symbols you're talking about please do share. Edited February 23, 2018 by Ellapennella 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted February 23, 2018 #116 Share Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Ellapennella said: God the Creator of us all does not need me to fight you for him. There is a Spiritual war and yes it's been around every since the beginning so whatever symbols you're talking about please do share. That "war" only exist in your imagination. It's a product of your indoctrination into a belief system. You look at the world through that subjective lense and metaphorically create your own enemies. On a personal note; I think you have trouble grasping concepts. Edited February 23, 2018 by XenoFish 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted February 23, 2018 Author #117 Share Posted February 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, Rlyeh said: Um. That's not the definition of art. I'd like to hear more about this claim that they are lying. Is so. All art is a form of imitation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted February 23, 2018 Author #118 Share Posted February 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, XenoFish said: That "war" only exist in your imagination. It's a product of your indoctrination into a belief system. You look at the world through that subjective lense and metaphorically create your own enemies. On a personal note; I think you have trouble grasping concepts. Like I said, I don't have to fight you for God, for God is hated by you,understood. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted February 23, 2018 #119 Share Posted February 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, XenoFish said: That "war" only exist in your imagination. Boy Fish, you need to get out of your bowl a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted February 23, 2018 #120 Share Posted February 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Ellapennella said: Is so. All art is a form of imitation. https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/art 1 The expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power. 1.1 Works produced by human creative skill and imagination. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted February 23, 2018 #121 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Ellapennella said: Like I said, I don't have to fight you for God, for God is hated by you,understood. How can I hate something I do not believe in or care about? You're projecting again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted February 23, 2018 #122 Share Posted February 23, 2018 There was a study that said religious people are less intelligent than atheist. Didn't put much stock in it's validity, I think it was right. This isn't that study. But I think it makes the point. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mr-personality/201312/why-are-religious-people-generally-less-intelligent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted February 23, 2018 Author #123 Share Posted February 23, 2018 16 minutes ago, Illyrius said: Oh yes you do.. you have to go further through education, movie and music industry, and through all media outlets that exist. Have you ever researched into the secret societies that many top actors & actresses have come from?Very very far left circles in Yale. For instance I used to love a certain program (X files) until I found out who and what they really were about . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted February 23, 2018 Author #124 Share Posted February 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, XenoFish said: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/art 1 The expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power. 1.1 Works produced by human creative skill and imagination. Art can never truly represent reality, for life itself, of which art is merely a copy, does not represent reality, according to Plato. Our world “…as we experience it, is an illusion, a collection of mere appearances like reflections in a mirror or shadows on a wall.” (Quoted by Rosalind Hursthouse in “Truth and Representation,” Philosphical Aesthetics.) For Plato, the only true reality is the unchanging world of the Forms, created by God, for example, the perfect form of the cat, the bird, the table, the chair. There is just one perfect copy of each of these Forms. We need to “escape from the cave and see…the real objects, the Forms… and gain true knowledge,” quotes Hursthouse. http://decodedpast.com/platos-argument-art-imitation-imitation/2990 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted February 23, 2018 #125 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, Ellapennella said: Art can never truly represent reality That's why it's called art. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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