hetrodoxly Posted March 4, 2018 Author #76 Share Posted March 4, 2018 25 minutes ago, Ozymandias said: I see May is on the BBC again this morning. God, they never stop with this endless stream of Brexiteers being given air-time. Every time I look at the BBC it isn't long before a Brexiteer pops up on screen to upset me. The BBC really is biased. BBC1’s The Andrew Marr Show has had 129 Remainers since last year’s referendum, compared with just 33 Leavers. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandias Posted March 4, 2018 #77 Share Posted March 4, 2018 3 hours ago, hetrodoxly said: BBC1’s The Andrew Marr Show has had 129 Remainers since last year’s referendum, compared with just 33 Leavers. Ah, yes. The figures compiled by that bastion of British fair play and unbiased journalism, the Sun. Forget the BBC. The Sun newspaper is essential reading for anyone wanting an objective and impartial account of matters regarding any subject. Do you think there is a case for giving Creationism an equal billing with Evolution in your schools curriculum? DUP members seem to think so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted March 4, 2018 #78 Share Posted March 4, 2018 4 hours ago, hetrodoxly said: BBC1’s The Andrew Marr Show has had 129 Remainers since last year’s referendum, compared with just 33 Leavers. So 79.6% of them are Remainers, even though 51.9% of those who voted in the referendum voted to leave. Nice to see the BBC so in touch with public opinion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted March 4, 2018 #79 Share Posted March 4, 2018 18 minutes ago, Ozymandias said: Ah, yes. The figures compiled by that bastion of British fair play and unbiased journalism, the Sun. Forget the BBC. The Sun newspaper is essential reading for anyone wanting an objective and impartial account of matters regarding any subject. Do you think there is a case for giving Creationism an equal billing with Evolution in your schools curriculum? DUP members seem to think so! The BBC is meant to be impartial. The Sun - Britain's most popular newspaper - isn't. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted March 4, 2018 #80 Share Posted March 4, 2018 4 hours ago, Setton said: Will do. Yeah, the post where I addressed all the things you're talking about. Now you can go and read the discussion but I'm not going to type out everything I've said whenever someone new joins the thread. If you're interested, it's all there for you to read. No it wasn't, the post you posted was this On 3/3/2018 at 0:25 AM, Setton said: OK, finally got round to this. The bottom line is the bolder part. The claim was there are no channels that aren't so far to the left as to be unwatchable. As I said, exaggeration is at play, I think. So on the BBC and impartiality, no they are not impartial as they should be. But I think we tend to only see the bias against our own opinions. To those saying the BBC is all left leaning and heavily biased against the right, let's not forget which party leader the BBCs political editor was determined to have outright lied and fabricated a story about. A clue, dresses more like an outdated geography teacher than a bond villain who's after your dalmatians. On brexit, maybe they just genuinely can't see a positive angle. I keep trying to but our government seems to have made it their single goal to make that as hard as possible. , which is just about bias and stuff and is nothing to do with the simple fact that you still have to pay Auntie Beeb even if you so much as possess a TV. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV-426 Posted March 4, 2018 #81 Share Posted March 4, 2018 16 hours ago, Setton said: You only have to pay the licence if you watch it live or on iplayer. You don't want to watch anything, don't and don't pay. No one is forcing you to pay it. I'm honestly not sure you understand how the licence fee works. Do you have a TV license yourself? You don't have to own an actual television. You don't have to watch any programmes broadcast by the BBC. You don't have to watch any content on the BBC iPlayer. If, for example, you watch absolutely nothing but Time Team via UKTV Play on a smart phone, you are required to own a TV licence: Do I need a TV Licence? "You need to be covered by a TV Licence to watch or record live TV programmes on any channel download or watch any BBC programmes on iPlayer – live, catch up or on demand. This applies to any provider you use and any device, including a TV, desktop computer, laptop, mobile phone, tablet, games console, digital box or DVD/VHS recorder." Note that "live" in this case means "currently being broadcast", i.e. not via on-demand services. It doesn't mean "live" as in live sporting events, etc. Here are some fishies to explain: The licence fee funds the BBC: What does your licence fee pay for? "The UK is buying more TV Licences than ever. This income means all licence payers can enjoy an ever-wider choice of BBC shows and services, free at the point of use, on a range of platforms. By buying a licence you support the creation of BBC programmes and services, and new ways of bringing them to you. Our purpose is to ensure as much of the fee as possible goes towards funding them. Even though the ways we watch and listen are changing, the licence fee also allows the BBC's UK services to remain ad-free and independent." Independent? Funny The BBC also legally have powers to change licence terms: Legislation and policy "Part 4 of the Communications Act 2003 makes it an offence to use or install TV receiving equipment to... [snip] ...The Act empowers the BBC to make and amend the terms and conditions of a licence. It allows the government to make regulations to exempt or reduce the licence fee for certain persons in certain circumstances. It also makes it an offence for anyone to have any TV receiving equipment in their possession or under their control who intends to use or install it in contravention of the main offence (above), or knows, or has reasonable grounds for believing, that another person intends to install or use a TV receiving equipment in contravention of the main offence." I honestly don't see the confusion here. The system is as clear as can be. The only thing that you can possibly question is whether you think the BBC shows bias? Anyone who doesn't, probably should have gone to Specsavers... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV-426 Posted March 4, 2018 #82 Share Posted March 4, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Ozymandias said: I see May is on the BBC again this morning. God, they never stop with this endless stream of Brexiteers being given air-time. Every time I look at the BBC it isn't long before a Brexiteer pops up on screen to upset me. The BBC really is biased. Of course, interviewing the British Prime Minister is comparable to daily stories of Brexit doom and gloom... Edited March 4, 2018 by LV-426 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted March 4, 2018 #83 Share Posted March 4, 2018 11 minutes ago, Vlad the Mighty said: No it wasn't, the post you posted was this , which is just about bias and stuff and is nothing to do with the simple fact that you still have to pay Auntie Beeb even if you so much as possess a TV. Again, that is not true. You only need a licence to watch live TV or iplayer. All of this I've already addressed, I invite you to read the existing posts rather than getting this thread into a pointless loop. 7 minutes ago, LV-426 said: I'm honestly not sure you understand how the licence fee works. Do you have a TV license yourself? OK, I've cut all the rest of that. Sorry you wasted time typing all that but I know exactly how the licence works and, yes, I have one. The original claim was that there is no tv in the UK (on ANY channel) that is not so far left as to be unwatchable. If this was the case, the simple solution is not to watch ANY TV (since it's apparently unwatchable anyway), in which case you don't have to pay the licence because you don't watch TV. Hetrodoxly was clearly exaggerating to ludicrous proportions, I simply highlighted that. I think we've wasted enough time going over things we both understand. I can't believe how worked up some (not so much you) are getting over my calling out someone's exaggeration. To those others: please get over it and move on. Quote The only thing that you can possibly question is whether you think the BBC shows bias? Anyone who doesn't, probably should have gone to Specsavers... As for this part, I've already said the BBC is biased but it is clearly not left wing bias, rather bias against specific things (left and right). Of course, we notice the ones that go against us more. I haven't paid much attention to the anti-brexit bias, just as you apparently missed the BBC political editor being officially reprimanded for fabricating news about Jeremy corbyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV-426 Posted March 4, 2018 #84 Share Posted March 4, 2018 14 minutes ago, Setton said: As for this part, I've already said the BBC is biased but it is clearly not left wing bias, rather bias against specific things (left and right). Of course, we notice the ones that go against us more. I haven't paid much attention to the anti-brexit bias, just as you apparently missed the BBC political editor being officially reprimanded for fabricating news about Jeremy corbyn. I'll admit, everyone is guilty of a little confirmation bias. It's human nature I guess. I do think it's time to revise the licence fee though. Whether it's removing it completely, to reflect modern media and the mutitude of options. Or simply forcing the BBC into funding its own news and politics branch, and spending public money on the entertainment side. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetrodoxly Posted March 4, 2018 Author #85 Share Posted March 4, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ozymandias said: Ah, yes. The figures compiled by that bastion of British fair play and unbiased journalism, the Sun. Forget the BBC. The Sun newspaper is essential reading for anyone wanting an objective and impartial account of matters regarding any subject. Do you think there is a case for giving Creationism an equal billing with Evolution in your schools curriculum? DUP members seem to think so! Though i can't stand 'The sun newspaper' not because of it's politics it's that they have to rhyme every headline what the f$%^& is that about, i have no more faith in the BBC than i do The Sun, are you saying the 'Sun' article isn't true? Again we have some of your bizarre logic, you think i might give 'Creationism an equal billing with Evolution' becase? I would like to add what the 'sun' did to Liverpool is unforgivable. Edited March 4, 2018 by hetrodoxly 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandias Posted March 4, 2018 #86 Share Posted March 4, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Black Monk said: The BBC is meant to be impartial. The Sun - Britain's most popular newspaper - isn't. Ah, right. So being the most popular it must therefore confirm the prejudices of its less-than-discerning but avid readership. And for those people who profess a hatred of the Sun they can cherry-pick and quote any of its stories that supports their bias. Any public broadcaster funded by public money should impartially reflect the views and disposition of the people funding it. The BBC should provide a platform for the views of everybody. It should not try to educate the ignorant or the misguided in the ways of right-thinking enlightened people. Fairness demands that all shades of opinion and points of view, however erroneous and unacceptable in some quarters, should be accommodated and promoted, and this should be done in proportion at least to their popularity among the general population. In other words a publically funded broadcaster should be a mirror of the people who pay for it, just like the internet and social media. Otherwise, some kind of steering and oversight is needed - a Ministry of Truth? Edited March 4, 2018 by Ozymandias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted March 4, 2018 #87 Share Posted March 4, 2018 (edited) Since we're way past facts mattering, they still have winning accents. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/modern-minds/201609/why-do-british-accents-sound-intelligent-americans Edited March 4, 2018 by ChaosRose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted March 4, 2018 #88 Share Posted March 4, 2018 5 hours ago, hetrodoxly said: I would like to add what the 'sun' did to Liverpool is unforgivable. Still Unforgiven ... ~ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted March 7, 2018 #89 Share Posted March 7, 2018 On 04/03/2018 at 9:21 AM, Ozymandias said: I see May is on the BBC again this morning. God, they never stop with this endless stream of Brexiteers being given air-time. Every time I look at the BBC it isn't long before a Brexiteer pops up on screen to upset me. The BBC really is biased. You mean Mrs May the prime minister? The Mrs May that backed remain before the referendum? The Mrs May that is now obliged to follow through on the result of the referendum....that Mrs May? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted March 7, 2018 #90 Share Posted March 7, 2018 On 04/03/2018 at 6:52 PM, Ozymandias said: Ah, right. So being the most popular it must therefore confirm the prejudices of its less-than-discerning but avid readership. And for those people who profess a hatred of the Sun they can cherry-pick and quote any of its stories that supports their bias. Any public broadcaster funded by public money should impartially reflect the views and disposition of the people funding it. The BBC should provide a platform for the views of everybody. It should not try to educate the ignorant or the misguided in the ways of right-thinking enlightened people. Fairness demands that all shades of opinion and points of view, however erroneous and unacceptable in some quarters, should be accommodated and promoted, and this should be done in proportion at least to their popularity among the general population. In other words a publically funded broadcaster should be a mirror of the people who pay for it, just like the internet and social media. Otherwise, some kind of steering and oversight is needed - a Ministry of Truth? Yes it should be, but it's not. Now you're getting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted March 27, 2018 #91 Share Posted March 27, 2018 @LV-426 and @hetrodoxly Like I said, we only notice the bias against ourselves: (please ignore the source, just happened to be the one that popped up on Facebook today) Quote Viewers say the BBC is ‘out of control’ after it abandons procedure to vilify Corbyn Viewers are complaining of bias at the BBCafter the state broadcaster appeared to abandon procedure to smear Jeremy Corbyn. “When did the BBC ever flag up an anti-Tory protest?” People noticed that the BBC has extensively reported on a right-wing protest against Corbyn’s leadership while routinely ignoring larger protests https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2018/03/27/viewers-say-the-bbc-is-out-of-control-after-it-abandons-procedure-to-vilify-corbyn/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted March 27, 2018 #92 Share Posted March 27, 2018 I too noticed not only bias over Brexit from the media but even the Bank of England. I would say Mr Carney should be politically neutral but if he was he probably wouldnt have gotten his job to begin with. The IMF is biased too. None of them know what strategies for economic growth and internal investments we will adopt once we leave, so all predictions are groundless. They are just mere speculation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV-426 Posted March 27, 2018 #93 Share Posted March 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Setton said: @LV-426 and @hetrodoxly Like I said, we only notice the bias against ourselves: (please ignore the source, just happened to be the one that popped up on Facebook today) https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2018/03/27/viewers-say-the-bbc-is-out-of-control-after-it-abandons-procedure-to-vilify-corbyn/ No, I agree with you here. I have noticed the campaign against Corbyn recently on the issue of anti-Semitism. Daily stories making front page news, based on tenuous links to social media posts he made years ago. I'm not sure what their political angle is on this one, unless they're simply looking to replace him as leader of the Labour Party with someone they prefer. It seems a little coincidental that these stories intensified after the sacking of Owen Smith for supporting a second referendum. Maybe they're working on a plan to bring the Lib Dems back from the dead... Whatever their angle, it highlights that the BBC should be reminded who pays their bills, and of their adherence to their own Charter. It's crucial for all of us that they return to their, once highly regarded, factual reporting, and stop pushing their own agenda. I'm sceptical though. It's hard to find any unbiased sources these days. All media seem to see themselves as kingmakers in this digital age. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted March 27, 2018 #94 Share Posted March 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, LV-426 said: I'm not sure what their political angle is on this one, unless they're simply looking to replace him as leader of the Labour Party with someone they prefer. They seem to want to go back to the days when they were Blair's obedient poodle and obeyed orders from the Leader whenever they were instructed to (e.g. firing journalists if they dared to suggest that the Leader was a pathological liar and psychopath who wanted to destroy countries out of sheer ambition and out of a desperate desire to be more loyal than any sycophant has ever been before to an idiotic puppet of a U.S. President.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Area Posted March 27, 2018 #95 Share Posted March 27, 2018 1 hour ago, LV-426 said: No, I agree with you here. I have noticed the campaign against Corbyn recently on the issue of anti-Semitism. Daily stories making front page news, based on tenuous links to social media posts he made years ago. I'm not sure what their political angle is on this one, unless they're simply looking to replace him as leader of the Labour Party with someone they prefer. It seems a little coincidental that these stories intensified after the sacking of Owen Smith for supporting a second referendum. Maybe they're working on a plan to bring the Lib Dems back from the dead... Whatever their angle, it highlights that the BBC should be reminded who pays their bills, and of their adherence to their own Charter. It's crucial for all of us that they return to their, once highly regarded, factual reporting, and stop pushing their own agenda. I'm sceptical though. It's hard to find any unbiased sources these days. All media seem to see themselves as kingmakers in this digital age. The anti Corbyn campaign seems to have gone into overdrive ever since Corbyn’s stance On the Russia issue didn’t tow the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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