Can Trump win a second term ?

[GlitterRose]

So yeah, he's got some filthy rich and extremely powerful people on his side, and they have a lot of resources at their disposal.

I don't know the chances we'll have a fair election, but I don't think they're great.

[Aquila King]

3 minutes ago, ChaosRose said:

One factor of many.

But we also know why she was so unpopular, and it had a lot to do with a smear campaign against her.

She wasn't a perfect candidate. No one ever is. But she was extremely qualified. And not really the demon she was made out to be. 

Wait and watch. They'll do the same thing to whoever goes up against him.

This is where I'll have to disagree with you there. Don't get me wrong, Hillary is WAAAAAY better than Trump, but that doesn't say much since a literal pile of dog crap is better than Trump. However, she did have a terrible track record.

She voted for the patriot act which ripped up the constitution. She supported the Iraq war which killed minimum 200,000 civilians and was the worst foreign policy mistake of our time. She takes huge sums of money from Wall Street, billionaires, and big corporations for political favors. The list could go on and on.

Now most of the anti-Hillary s**t on the right is just made up nonsense, like all that Benghazi crap which had nothing to do with her, or that pizzagate conspiracy and whatnot. Although there are plenty of very serious charges against her that make it very clear that she was incredibly unqualified for the office.

Although again, I turned my nose up and voted for her in the last election because practically anyone would be better than Trump. I'd rather vote for a monster like Ted Cruz over that maniac. Though just because she was the lesser of evils does not in any way mean I find her worthy of any real praise.

[preacherman76]

44 minutes ago, ChaosRose said:

Electoral college typically votes based on how the population of their state voted. 

If people are thrown off voter rolls, that would tilt an election.

So would votes from illegals and dead people. In fact from what I hear home land security is coming out with a report next months that will show massive voter fraud in a number of ways committed by democrats. Being there isn't anything at all to stop the several millions illegals from voting, that's really just common sense. Now it will just be verified.

[GlitterRose]

Just now, Aquila King said:

This is where I'll have to disagree with you there. Don't get me wrong, Hillary is WAAAAAY better than Trump, but that doesn't say much since a literal pile of dog crap is better than Trump. However, she did have a terrible track record.

She voted for the patriot act which ripped up the constitution. She supported the Iraq war which killed minimum 200,000 civilians and was the worst foreign policy mistake of our time. She takes huge sums of money from Wall Street, billionaires, and big corporations for political favors. The list could go on and on.

Now most of the anti-Hillary s**t on the right is just made up nonsense, like all that Benghazi crap which had nothing to do with her, or that pizzagate conspiracy and whatnot. Although there are plenty of very serious charges against her that make it very clear that she was incredibly unqualified for the office.

Although again, I turned my nose up and voted for her in the last election because practically anyone would be better than Trump. I'd rather vote for a monster like Ted Cruz over that maniac. Though just because she was the lesser of evils does not in any way mean I find her worthy of any real praise.

I'm not gonna turn this into a glory to Hillary post. I said she wasn't perfect. I wanted Bernie.

That said, although they have tried very hard to pin something...anything...on her, they continue to come up empty-handed.

And it's kind of a joke that they did that whole email bit, and then there's Trump making his table at Mar-a-lago a situation room.

[preacherman76]

22 minutes ago, ChaosRose said:

So yeah, he's got some filthy rich and extremely powerful people on his side, and they have a lot of resources at their disposal.

I don't know the chances we'll have a fair election, but I don't think they're great.

Hillary had way more filthy rich and extremely powerful people on her side.

I'm not sure we have ever had a fair election. I'm pretty sure Trump won in spite of that.

[GlitterRose]

3 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

So would votes from illegals and dead people. In fact from what I hear home land security is coming out with a report next months that will show massive voter fraud in a number of ways committed by democrats. Being there isn't anything at all to stop the several millions illegals from voting, that's really just common sense. Now it will just be verified.

No matter how many times Republicans scream voter fraud, it always turns out to be bs, and on top of that...they turn out to have voter fraud on their side.

[Aquila King]

3 minutes ago, ChaosRose said:

I'm not gonna turn this into a glory to Hillary post. I said she wasn't perfect. I wanted Bernie.

That said, although they have tried very hard to pin something...anything...on her, they continue to come up empty-handed.

And it's kind of a joke that they did that whole email bit, and then there's Trump making his table at Mar-a-lago a situation room.

I do agree that it's irritating that most of the right-wing talking points against her are made up if not embellished in some way, and that the anti-Hillary campaign was enormous. However I'm simply saying that there are plenty of legitimate criticisms against her. Most of which the right completely ignored because they themselves supported it. So the only way to oppose her was to make stuff up or exaggerate things in some way.

[GlitterRose]

9 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

Hillary had way more filthy rich and extremely powerful people on her side.

I'm not sure we have ever had a fair election. I'm pretty sure Trump won in spite of that.

Not true.

Putin, Russian oligarchs, Pro-Putin Ukrainian oligarchs, the Mercers...I'd venture to say those people are more wealthy and powerful.

And when you're getting into international organized crime figures, you see that opposition members meet untimely deaths in odd ways.

Poisoning, getting thrown off roofs, getting shot in front of the Kremlin, etc. 

It's kinda scary. 

[GlitterRose]

I would really like to see that kind of stuff...not imported here.

[Kenemet]

I am working very hard (and so are my friends) to make sure he's a one-term president.

[Kenemet]

17 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

So would votes from illegals and dead people. In fact from what I hear home land security is coming out with a report next months that will show massive voter fraud in a number of ways committed by democrats. Being there isn't anything at all to stop the several millions illegals from voting, that's really just common sense. Now it will just be verified.

I have gone to the trouble to become a deputy voter registrar and will be training to be part of the election judge staff this year (hopefully.)  I can now say with perfect confidence that it's very hard to commit voter registration fraud.  People do try, but the actual process (it's a multi-step process) is good.   When we went in to vote last week, they found an error on my daughter's registration form and she had to correct it and prove it before she could vote.

That's here in Texas, but I imagine it's the same elsewhere.

If you are concerned about fraud and fighting election fraud, I recommend you take the training and become a Deputy Voter Registrar for your area.  Then you can see for yourself how complete the checks are.  Your area might be different but I'm confident that the process here in Texas reduces any possible fraud to a very tiny number.

[Kenemet]

1 hour ago, ChaosRose said:

Like I said...it's painfully obvious what happened...

to anyone who wants to actually know. 

To everyone else, it will somehow "elude" them, because you can't awaken those who are pretending to be asleep. 

One big factor (and it's here in Texas) is that people just couldn't bring themselves to vote.  They didn't like either candidate and stayed home.

That said, we're working on turning this around and the Trump Experience has mobilized a lot of people to start entering political races and to start voting.  I was looking at the early voting numbers from a nearby district, and they're double what they had been last time there was a midterm election.

[Aquila King]

@ChaosRose

I think you might be interested in supporting the Justice Democrats movement. They are continuing Bernie Sanders' legacy with a strong emphasis on policy substance and a refusal to take any corporate PAC money in the process.

Check out their platform and see if you agree: https://www.justicedemocrats.com/platform

I find their candidates to be the best qualified to combat this era of Trump.

[GoldenWolf]

46 minutes ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

You seem to have completely blanked out from your mind any possibility that the Democrats could have lost because their candidate was so unpopular. 

Could be Christosascism has become so popular in this country, his base and whom Trump represents, no other will be appealing.

[simplybill]

For those interested, it's been 135 days since pornography-publisher Larry Flynt offered $10,000,000 to anyone who can provide evidence leading to President Trump's impeachment.

"At the end of the ad, there is a toll-free number and an email address, along with a reassurance that Flynt fully intends to pay the full sum of $10 million for good information."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/10/14/have-dirt-that-could-impeach-trump-larry-flynt-will-pay-you-10-million/?utm_term=.897a32594a95

4 1/2 months, and still nothing. You'd think at least one of the people accusing President Trump of misbehavior would've come forward to claim their reward. 

 

[Aquila King]

3 minutes ago, simplybill said:

For those interested, it's been 135 days since pornography-publisher Larry Flynt offered $10,000,000 to anyone who can provide evidence leading to President Trump's impeachment.

"At the end of the ad, there is a toll-free number and an email address, along with a reassurance that Flynt fully intends to pay the full sum of $10 million for good information."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/10/14/have-dirt-that-could-impeach-trump-larry-flynt-will-pay-you-10-million/?utm_term=.897a32594a95

4 1/2 months, and still nothing. You'd think at least one of the people accusing President Trump of misbehavior would've come forward to claim their reward. 

Makes no difference what evidence there is so long as the Republican lead congress refuses to act.

I for one think that there's already enough evidence for impeachment, just on his proven words and actions alone.

Though again, doesn't matter since Republicans refuse to act.

[simplybill]

2 minutes ago, Aquila King said:

Makes no difference what evidence there is so long as the Republican lead congress refuses to act.

I for one think that there's already enough evidence for impeachment, just on his proven words and actions alone.

Though again, doesn't matter since Republicans refuse to act.

There are several anti-Trump Republicans that have been opposing him from the beginning. They don't seem to have discovered any impeachable offenses. Mr. Trump announced his candidacy on Tuesday, June 16, 2015. That was 2 1/2 years ago. Give them a few more years, and they might find something.

[+and-then]

1 hour ago, ChaosRose said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/russians-penetrated-u-s-voter-systems-says-top-u-s-n845721

From the article:   "We saw a targeting of 21 states and an exceptionally small number of them were actually successfully penetrated."

And if that isn't enough:  

He tells the truth beginning at 3:15.  When HE says it, what more can be said?

[+and-then]

47 minutes ago, ChaosRose said:

Not true.

Putin, Russian oligarchs, Pro-Putin Ukrainian oligarchs, the Mercers...I'd venture to say those people are more wealthy and powerful.

And when you're getting into international organized crime figures, you see that opposition members meet untimely deaths in odd ways.

Poisoning, getting thrown off roofs, getting shot in front of the Kremlin, etc. 

It's kinda scary. 

All of which has nothing to do with 2016 or our elections in general.  It's a tired argument, CR.  Clinging to it after all this time, with ZERO proof, makes you guys look like sore losers at best, a little crazy at worst.  By all means, get behind someone you believe can beat him and campaign HARD.  But know this - if you do manage to elect someone that does as Obama did, the rest of us won't sit still for another 8 years while our nation is gutted and destroyed.  NOT gonna happen again.  

 

[Aquila King]

28 minutes ago, simplybill said:

There are several anti-Trump Republicans that have been opposing him from the beginning. They don't seem to have discovered any impeachable offenses. Mr. Trump announced his candidacy on Tuesday, June 16, 2015. That was 2 1/2 years ago. Give them a few more years, and they might find something.

And you miss my point entirely. Typical.

[maxcred]

I think he can win a 2nd term if he can get Karen McDougal and Stormy Daniels to campaign for him.

[Space Commander Travis]

1 hour ago, ChaosRose said:

But we also know why she was so unpopular, and it had a lot to do with a smear campaign against her

Well, even the most loyal of the media (i.e. all of them) described the legendary Leaked Emails as unfavorable"information" about her, not "lies" or "libels". She was one of those people who didnt' actually need to say anything, people just looked at her, thought what she'd be like in possession of more power than anyone else in the world, and thought "", to be quite honest I think. 

[RAyMO]

Can he win in 2020 - well that depends on the American People.....

can they stick another Term of his "style" - setting aside all who did what theories.

Edited February 25, 2018 by RAyMO

[Space Commander Travis]

1 hour ago, ChaosRose said:

That said, although they have tried very hard to pin something...anything...on her, they continue to come up empty-handed.

Does that sound familiar?

[Space Commander Travis]

1 hour ago, ChaosRose said:

Not true.

Putin, Russian oligarchs, Pro-Putin Ukrainian oligarchs, the Mercers...I'd venture to say those people are more wealthy and powerful.

And when you're getting into international organized crime figures, you see that opposition members meet untimely deaths in odd ways.

Poisoning, getting thrown off roofs, getting shot in front of the Kremlin, etc. 

It's kinda scary. 

see, this seems to be what happens to otherwise same and reasonable people if they hate Trump enough. It's what's happened to Expandmymind and Farmer too. They seem to come to see the Vile Putin as a greater monster than Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot put together so that he's responsible for absolutely everything. The amount of hatred that comes off therm now is quite, quite scary.