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7 hours ago, Setton said:

And that's the trouble with any kind of grand conspiracy theory. Once you decide you believe it, everything can be made to fit into it, rather than accepting that reality is just rather chaotic.

 

and just because you don't entertain the possibility doesn't exclude it from being a reality...

The Globalist Agenda Pushers may be behind this political drama --- they certainly make it onto my suspect list because
it is they that would benefit if the World Cup get's boycotted and spoilt...

not saying it IS them but that possibility can't be dismissed outright..

Millions and millions of people world wide look forward to the World Cup but the problem that the Globalists would have
with that is that it involves patriotism and national flags and the fundamental basis of the One World Govt is that there are
no borders or independent sovereign nations - Russia is the largest country on earth in terms of land mass  and I saw somewhere 
that politically they are one of the countries most resistant to being incorporated into a borderless one world arrangement - 

A little poisoning where no one actually dies but Russia is further demonized  and the World Cup with it's  patriotism and national
flags is forced to cancel  might be just the ticket for those who are determined to bring in a New World Order...?

'''here we go here we go here we go''''....... ''''see below see below see below'''

testing the waters..? to see if they can get away with cancelling the World Cup in Russia this year...?

https://www.*** blocked ***/news/world/932487/russia-world-cup-2018-uk-ministers-international-boycott-spy-nerve-agent-attack

(the above is a Sunday Express link - quoted below.. there are probably others but I will leave it )

 

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PRESSURE was growing last night for a mass World Cup boycott this summer in retaliation for the Salisbury nerve agent outrage. MPs urged the Prime Minister to consider pressing allies to join England and withdraw from the tournament being held in Russia to send a stark message to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

 

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Space Commander Travis

The most amusing part of this stretched-out-way-too-long-by-now-for-any-kind-of-plausibility affair is how the virulent Putinphobes, those who believe, without the need for any kind of proper investigation or any kind of proof at all, that Putin must have done it, because He is Vile and Evil, and would do anything at all, however incredibly complicated and how antagonistic it may be, just to show how evil he is, at a time when his country is about to host the world ********ing Cup, you're all climbing aboard the "Britons never never never shall be slaves" bandwagon, waving your little Union Jacks* and bouncing up and down in patriotic outrage alongside Prime Minister May and her gang of ridiculous little Tory twits. Are you aware that you've been behaving, the outraged patriots, in exactly the "little Englander, nostalgic for the glory days when Britain Ruled the Waves" caricature that some of the same people have accused Brexit supporters of being? Isn't there just the slightest embarrassment at standing shoulder to shoulder with idiots of the calibre of Boris, Tory Twit supreme, and whichever blustering twit is currently Defence** Secretary***?

* sorry, Comrade Putin (Labour-Red Square) has posted an objection pointing out that it's Union Flag 

** as if the armed forces of the Empire would even be capable of that to any realistic extent, let alone march on Moscow 

*** Gavin Wiliamson, I find. One of his latest gems of Churchillian statesmanlike rhetoric: UK defence secretary tells Russia 'go away and shut up'  I mean, aren't you embarrassed by this childishness? 

And even No. 10 seems to be:  (it's in The Times, which demands a subscription, but the headline is "No. 10 raps Gavin Williamson for 'sabre-rattling'. (though No. 10 can talk.) 

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just going a step further with the POSSIBILITY that all this could be a psychological operation to get the World Cup boycotted
and Putin further demonized.... (2 birds with one stone)

If the enjoyment that millions and millions of people get out of the World Cup is taken away from them....

will this kind of energy be turned against Putin / Russia   OR..... OR.... the British Government ----

a risky strategy because people aren't so easily brought into line with propaganda nowadays...
 

 

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Space Commander Travis

You seen that, I think it was in the Star, always a dependable source, that the May Government may be planning to offer to step in to provide an alternative host for the WC once the Murdering Putin is stripped of it? I reckon that's what it's all about.. :yes: 

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5 hours ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

The most amusing part of this stretched-out-way-too-long-by-now-for-any-kind-of-plausibility affair is how the virulent Putinphobes, those who believe, without the need for any kind of proper investigation or any kind of proof at all, that Putin must have done it, because He is Vile and Evil, and would do anything at all, however incredibly complicated and how antagonistic it may be, just to show how evil he is, at a time when his country is about to host the world ********ing Cup, you're all climbing aboard the "Britons never never never shall be slaves" bandwagon, waving your little Union Jacks* and bouncing up and down in patriotic outrage alongside Prime Minister May and her gang of ridiculous little Tory twits. Are you aware that you've been behaving, the outraged patriots, in exactly the "little Englander, nostalgic for the glory days when Britain Ruled the Waves" caricature that some of the same people have accused Brexit supporters of being? Isn't there just the slightest embarrassment at standing shoulder to shoulder with idiots of the calibre of Boris, Tory Twit supreme, and whichever blustering twit is currently Defence** Secretary***?

Why don't you stop letting your detest of our current government blind you to any sense of reality?

Partly, you're already preaching to the choir... you already know from political discussion elsewhere on UM that most of us posting here range from current Labour voters, to former Labour voters, through to floating voters. There's no outright love for the Tories here.

Secondly, the entirety of Parliament, even a reluctant Corbyn, is backing the government position on this. May is doing everything she can to go through the correct channels, including involvement of other bodies such as NATO, the UN, the OPCW, etc.

Thirdly, why all the little Englander crap? This is nothing to do with blustering patriotism. Can you not understand the magnitude of this type of weapon being used? It's not about what it did do. It is about what it can do. They're unanimously prohibited for a reason, as they are potentially utterly devasting to life. We're not talking about a dose of rat poison here.

Lastly, for those who's answer to any criticism of Putin is to attack Western policy, let's turn this argument on its head and do some analysis of Putin's rule. If you don't like Western views, look to Russian views, such of those of "opposition" leader Alexei Navalny or former oligarch Mikhail Khodorkovsky. Putin isn't a patriotic leader, bringing his country back to greatness. He's basically the head of an organized crime syndicate. Or possibly not even the head any longer, according to Khodorkovsky:

 

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LV-426
15 hours ago, Setton said:

Overall yes. Some of us are capable of sufficiently flexible thinking to agree with someone on some things and disagree with them on others.

It's the only way to navigate your way through the tangled web of politics, or indeed anything in life.

I have to admit, I'm finding it pretty comical seeing the disparity between some of the views on this subject, and some of the views on Brexit, though.

I can't help thinking I must have given you a little smile by posting a BBC video to support my point in the last post too! :lol:

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1 hour ago, LV-426 said:

It's the only way to navigate your way through the tangled web of politics, or indeed anything in life.

I have to admit, I'm finding it pretty comical seeing the disparity between some of the views on this subject, and some of the views on Brexit, though.

I can't help thinking I must have given you a little smile by posting a BBC video to support my point in the last post too! :lol:

Always knew you were secretly a fan of 'the lefty propaganda outlet'. 

Admit it, you're a communist through and through, aren't you? 

As for Brexit, you can be passionately proud of your country and still think it's made a stupid decision :P

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7 hours ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

You seen that, I think it was in the Star, always a dependable source, that the May Government may be planning to offer to step in to provide an alternative host for the WC once the Murdering Putin is stripped of it? I reckon that's what it's all about.. :yes: 

Well.. yes.. that's understandable. After all, the British government in general, and Theresa May in particular, has a track record of assassinating innocent foreign citizens - in particular with exotic poisons -  in order to make domestic political points. And she is notorious as a dictator with connections to both the British security services (both branches), and to corrupt and violent Oligarchs such as Richard "Brutal" Branson and Alan "Switchblade" Sugar. 

In contrast, Vladimir Putin is a democrat with a long democratic tradition. His country has NEVER been associated with assassination -  at home or abroad - nor has any associations with violent criminals. 

With this in mind, the poisoning of Sergie and Yulia Skripal was OBVIOUSLY done by Porton Down on Theresa May's direct orders, in order to promote a US invasion of Syria, Israeli oppression of blameless Palestinian suicide bombers, and the hosting of the World Cup at Wembley. 

I mean, what else could make sense ? 

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2 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Well.. yes.. that's understandable. After all, the British government in general, and Theresa May in particular, has a track record of assassinating innocent foreign citizens - in particular with exotic poisons -  in order to make domestic political points. And she is notorious as a dictator with connections to both the British security services (both branches), and to corrupt and violent Oligarchs such as Richard "Brutal" Branson and Alan "Switchblade" Sugar. 

In contrast, Vladimir Putin is a democrat with a long democratic tradition. His country has NEVER been associated with assassination -  at home or abroad - nor has any associations with violent criminals. 

With this in mind, the poisoning of Sergie and Yulia Skripal was OBVIOUSLY done by Porton Down on Theresa May's direct orders, in order to promote a US invasion of Syria, Israeli oppression of blameless Palestinian suicide bombers, and the hosting of the World Cup at Wembley. 

I mean, what else could make sense ? 

I see what you did there! :lol:

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1 hour ago, Setton said:

Always knew you were secretly a fan of 'the lefty propaganda outlet'. 

Admit it, you're a communist through and through, aren't you? 

As for Brexit, you can be passionately proud of your country and still think it's made a stupid decision :P

I was a staunch socialist (dislike labels as much as I do) when socialism was about working families, decent pay in careers such as nursing, "genuine" equality rights - rather than today's fringe crusades - and so on.

These days, I'm not even sure socialists know what socialism is :P

As for Brexit, best left to another thread... I think we have enough drama here with Russian plots, chemical weapons and conspiracy theories! :lol:

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Phaeton80

And.. wait for it..

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Can you believe it.. :D

 

So.. what do we have thusfar..

*A swift definitive accusation - even claiming Putin personally ordered the attack - based on utterly lacking 'evidence' (I would call it comical, but lets not be subjective here);

*All but immediate political actions against the supposed perpetrator, before 'offical channels' like the OPCW have corroborated said 'evidence', or discourse has even been started with the accused;

*Unwillingness to provide a sample of this proof to the accused party, as defined in the Chemical Weapons Convention;

*A House of Commons which laments, even boo's Corbyn for asking May about entering in dialog with the accused about said 'proof' (again, in strict accordance with the CWC), which is a completely rational request;

*A medialandscape that doesnt question or even touches upon the lacking body of proof for the bold definitive accusations made, simply enforcing the factually baseless statements coming from May;

*Increasing calls for a bolstering of GB defenses (yay!);

*And now, massive character assassination attempts against one of the few, if not only member of parlament who dares to simply inquire about compliance of the Chemical Weapons Convention and lacking nature of the necessary proof ('Corbyn Refuses to Blast Russia on Spy Attack', 'Corbyn, The Kremlin Stooge', you just cannot make this sh* up).


Yep, that sounds like a pretty damn ironclad case to me..  nothing to see here and all that. Putin did it - personally - and GB should react strongly and swiftly if she wants to be taken serious by this Russian mafia oligarch clique.


..Listen, if any of you are unable to poke through this utterly obvious template of deceit, you - and all those you drag into conflict after conflict by gobbling up this sort of koolaid, including but not limited to your children and grandchildren - are going to have an increasingly 'bad time' the coming years. And in all honesty, you will have no one to blame besides yourselves. The effects of this sort of dimness will find its way home one way or another. Its one thing greenlighting conflicts in sheer ignorance on the other side of the world based on similar deceitful schemes, where hundreds of thousands of innocent women, children and elderly have died because of those proven lies (and the individual who dished them out is still living like royalty, Bush). Its quite another when the effects of such dimness are fomented on your own soil. Maybe then you will take note.

 

Who stands to gain from this event? Why Putin ofcourse! He has an election coming up, a world cup, he is winning in Syria, winning in the arms department, stands between US/GB/EU and their relentless interventionalist, illegal wars.. attempts to oust the newest ME head of state in an impressive line-up; al Assad, and starting to sound the drums of war against Iran. Which has had the whole of the Western juggernaut drooling over a chance to engage him for his unwillingness to conform to Western interests, to lash back on Russia's succesful foreign policy for several months now.

Well sir, why not take this opportunity to assassinate a former Russian spy, formally and officially exchanged in mutual agreement with GB 8 years ago, with a weapon that bears our fingerprint, out in the open, on British soil, in such an effective fashion he.. well.. survives!

 

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:

Who stands to gain from this event? Why Putin ofcourse! He has an election coming up, a world cup, he is winning in Syria, winning in the arms department, stands between US/GB/EU and their relentless interventionalist, illegal wars.. attempts to oust the newest ME head of state in an impressive line-up; al Assad, and starting to sound the drums of war against Iran. Which has had the whole of the Western juggernaut drooling over a chance to engage him for his unwillingness to conform to Western interests, to lash back on Russia's succesful foreign policy for several months now.

 

Well sir, why not take this opportunity to assassinate a former Russian spy, formally and officially exchanged in mutual agreement with GB 8 years ago, with a weapon that bears our fingerprint, out in the open, in such an effective fashion he.. well.. survives!

Sorry Phaeton, haven't got time for a lengthy reply. Food takes priority! :P

I'll just ask one question though; why is the answer to questioning the integrity of Putin always "But... evil West!"

Let's just put aside any question of the ethical actions of our own nations for a moment, and shine the line on Putin.

Do you have any criticism for him?

What is your opinion on his reputed $200 billion wealth and the financial situation in Russia, for example?

What do you think of the suspicious deaths of his critics, at home and abroad, e.g:

Here are 10 critics of Vladimir Putin who died violently or in suspicious ways

 

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8 minutes ago, LV-426 said:

Sorry Phaeton, haven't got time for a lengthy reply. Food takes priority! :P

I'll just ask one question though; why is the answer to questioning the integrity of Putin always "But... evil West!"

Let's just put aside any question of the ethical actions of our own nations for a moment, and shine the line on Putin.

Do you have any criticism for him?

What is your opinion on his reputed $200 billion wealth and the financial situation in Russia, for example?

What do you think of the suspicious deaths of his critics, at home and abroad, e.g:

Here are 10 critics of Vladimir Putin who died violently or in suspicious ways

 


Oh you think Im a Putin fan for supplying this content, is that it? How very refreshing LV-426. I think the man is a criminal in the broadest sense of the word. Does that sparkle with you?
 

..Let me ask you something though; why is the answer to questioning comically lacking 'proof', used again as a pretext of a casus belli, always ad hominem rhetoric like 'West Hater', or 'Putin Lover'?

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Let's just put aside any question of the ethical actions of our own nations for a moment, and shine the line on Putin.

'Lmfao'

Yes, lets 'put aside any question of the ethical actions of our own nations for a moment', and shine the line on Putin for a change.. given 'we' have criticised the West to a tiresome degree up until now.

Youre funny.

 

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14 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:

And.. wait for it..

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Can you believe it.. :D

 

 

what a surprise !

Cameron miscalculated and misunderstood the majority of people in the UK when he called the EU referendum 
(fully expecting the vote to be swayed into a Remain result)

May is miscalculating and misunderstanding the majority of people in the UK over all this dangerous nonsense and
unnecessarily making an enemy of Russia... IMO - especially if England doesn't send it's team to the World Cup -

As it stands at the moment it's looking like Corbyn will win the next election and the Tories will be out of office -

That's if we all last that long, of course -  because our politicians don't seem to care about their actions possibly
escalating into a military conflict -- 

It could easily start in Syria as the Globalists use their proxy armies (US + UK military) to continue to try and oust Assad to carve
up the country...

 

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22 minutes ago, LV-426 said:

Sorry Phaeton, haven't got time for a lengthy reply. Food takes priority! :P

 

yes - and maybe get a few extra tins in and some bottled water because IF the S hits the fan over all this 
the supermarket shelves will be empty with 24 hours....

I'm not joking

You started this thread and are pushing the Bid Bad Putin narrative...

Are you willing to die in a war over it all..... ?.....imagine that -- Britain destroyed and destabilized over the botched poisoning
of a Double Agent...a Russian spy.... (who ever was behind it )..... 

*slow hand clap*

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6 minutes ago, bee said:

 

what a surprise !

Cameron miscalculated and misunderstood the majority of people in the UK when he called the EU referendum 
(fully expecting the vote to be swayed into a Remain result)

May is miscalculating and misunderstanding the majority of people in the UK over all this dangerous nonsense and
unnecessarily making an enemy of Russia... IMO - especially if England doesn't send it's team to the World Cup -

As it stands at the moment it's looking like Corbyn will win the next election and the Tories will be out of office -

That's if we all last that long, of course -  because our politicians don't seem to care about their actions possibly
escalating into a military conflict -- 

It could easily start in Syria as the Globalists use their proxy armies (US + UK military) to continue to try and oust Assad to carve
up the country...

 


I do hope so.

..I think in that sense Syria is centre stage at this point, where two of the main geo political blocks have engaged and are engaging eachother through proxies. They arent the US & UK armies though, not yet. This ofcourse could very well be a prelude to just that; a direct conflict between them. The interests, significance of that area cannot be overstated. Pivotal.

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5 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:


I do hope so.

..I think in that sense Syria is centre stage at this point, where two of the main geo political blocks have engaged and are engaging eachother through proxies. They arent the US & UK armies though, not yet. This ofcourse could very well be a prelude to just that; a direct conflict between them. The interests, significance of that area cannot be overstated. Pivotal.

 

this extra dose of demonizing of Putin could easily be preparation for an escalation in Syria for when the US and Russia slip into direct conflict - ?

and the UK will need general approval of the tax paying public to send troops in - 

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this extra dose of demonizing of Putin could easily be preparation for an escalation in Syria

 

Yes, I think thats a highly plausible scenario, one that at least should be considered, seriously. But we digress..

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4 minutes ago, bee said:

and the UK will need general approval of the tax paying public to send troops in - 

I don't see the majority in the UK following the current US administration into a war. Following Bush was bad enough - following Trump would be a few furlongs too far.

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19 minutes ago, bee said:

Are you willing to die in a war over it all..... ?.....imagine that -- Britain destroyed and destabilized over the botched poisoning
of a Double Agent...a Russian spy.... (who ever was behind it )..... 

Running and hiding isn't the answer, the chairman of the labour party on TV today said Russia did it.

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Just now, RAyMO said:

I don't see the majority in the UK following the current US administration into a war. Following Bush was bad enough - following Trump would be a few furlongs to far.

 

Ha !..... well there's an interesting twist -

I personally think that Trump has been forced into a corner by the military elite in the US - that he would be a peacemaker
not a warmonger if only they would let him - but they have spent so much time with the Collusion crap that he is loosing
control of the direction that the military is taking (even though in name he is commander in chief) --- he may have had to
let them get on with it to an extent so that he can persue his domestic policies... (and of course he doesn't want to end up
like JFK -)

but yes --- 'they' have spent so much time and effort trashing Trump.... they may have a little problem if they now want us
to risk everything?  and get involved in a war in Syria and against Russia with Trump as the Commander in Chief...


 

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Just now, hetrodoxly said:

Running and hiding isn't the answer, the chairman of the labour party on TV today said Russia did it.

 

diplomacy is the answer..... and the MPs are in cloud cukoo land over all this... I just hope Corbyn is standing strong -

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RoofGardener

So now the whole thing is about a US plot to invade Syria ? 

Or possibly the Globalists ? 

I'm amazed nobody has managed to blame the whole thing on Israel yet. Ah well.... there are still a few hours of daylight left... :P 

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1 minute ago, hetrodoxly said:

Running and hiding isn't the answer, the chairman of the labour party on TV today said Russia did it.


No it indeed isnt, demanding ample proof is (the answer).

Crazy statement, I know. Ill just put on my tinfoil hat and stand in the corner for suggesting this.

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3 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

the whole thing on Israel yet

Well now that you mention it -

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