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On 4/13/2018 at 9:24 AM, bee said:

 

yeah what happened I was just about to read that....

Independent Swiss Lab Says 'BZ Toxin' Used In Skripal Poisoning; US/UK-Produced, Not Russian

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the substance used on Sergei Skripal was an agent called BZ, which was never produced in Russia, but was in service in the US, UK, and other NATO states.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-14/independent-swiss-lab-says-bz-toxin-used-skripal-poisoning-usuk-produced-not

My previous post was a bit premature that "Theresa May gassed her own people".

But now confirmed by an independent Swiss lab.

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12 minutes ago, hacktorp said:

Independent Swiss Lab Says 'BZ Toxin' Used In Skripal Poisoning; US/UK-Produced, Not Russian

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-14/independent-swiss-lab-says-bz-toxin-used-skripal-poisoning-usuk-produced-not

My previous post was a bit premature that "Theresa May gassed her own people".

But now confirmed by an independent Swiss lab.

Intriguing. 

Thus far the laboratory has not confirmed the existence of this document.; nor have we seen this "report". The only source for the existence of this document is the Russian foreign minister. 

Curious that a Swiss government facility would send the information to the Russians, but not to anybody else ? (e.g. not to the domestic Swiss press). Curious also that the members of the OPCW should - simultaneously - not notice this 'finding' ? 

I am HIGHLY suspicious of this. However, the truth will out within the next day or two. SOMEBODY will have egg all over their face. Or possibly Beluga Caviar. 

 

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2 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Intriguing. 

Thus far the laboratory has not confirmed the existence of this document.; nor have we seen this "report". The only source for the existence of this document is the Russian foreign minister. 

Curious that a Swiss government facility would send the information to the Russians, but not to anybody else ? (e.g. not to the domestic Swiss press). Curious also that the members of the OPCW should - simultaneously - not notice this 'finding' ? 

I am HIGHLY suspicious of this. However, the truth will out within the next day or two. SOMEBODY will have egg all over their face. Or possibly Beluga Caviar. 

 

We don't know who all received the report, we only know the Russians are thus far the only ones to announce its findings.

Interesting also, is that this "BX toxin" is "incapacitating" (which the Skripals certainly were), rather than, like Novichok, "kills quickly" (which the Skripals certainly weren't).

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1 minute ago, hacktorp said:

We don't know who all received the report, we only know the Russians are thus far the only ones to announce its findings.

Interesting also, is that this "BX toxin" is "incapacitating" (which the Skripals certainly were), rather than, like Novichok, "kills quickly" (which the Skripals certainly weren't).

How would the Russian Foreign Minister know this ? :D 

Lets wait and see. Lets wait and see if the Swiss laboratory which produced this "confidential" document stands by it :) 

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2 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

How would the Russian Foreign Minister know this ? :D 

Lets wait and see. Lets wait and see if the Swiss laboratory which produced this "confidential" document stands by it :) 

Sounds good.  A 'rush to judgement' usually makes someone look pretty stupid...or guilty! :)

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25 minutes ago, hacktorp said:

Sounds good.  A 'rush to judgement' usually makes someone look pretty stupid...or guilty! :)

I don't need to RUSH, Hacktorp. I'm quite capable of looking both of those things from the comfort of my armchair :D 

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3 hours ago, hacktorp said:

Independent Swiss Lab Says 'BZ Toxin' Used In Skripal Poisoning; US/UK-Produced, Not Russian

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-14/independent-swiss-lab-says-bz-toxin-used-skripal-poisoning-usuk-produced-not

My previous post was a bit premature that "Theresa May gassed her own people".

But now confirmed by an independent Swiss lab.

Yeah, I'd take this one with a pinch of salt...

A website run by a conspiracy theorist, Bulgarian-born former hedge-fund analyst who was barred from the industry for insider trading, quoting Russian government funded TV mouthpiece, RT, in turn quoting Sergey Lavrov, who has apparently been granted access to presumably highly classified OPCW reports :rolleyes:

If that is how "an internationally recognized center of excellence" operates these days, I wouldn't be expecting too much more work to come their way from the OPCW...

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9 minutes ago, LV-426 said:

Yeah, I'd take this one with a pinch of salt...

A website run by a conspiracy theorist, Bulgarian-born former hedge-fund analyst who was barred from the industry for insider trading, quoting Russian government funded TV mouthpiece, RT, in turn quoting Sergey Lavrov, who has apparently been granted access to presumably highly classified OPCW reports :rolleyes:

If that is how "an internationally recognized center of excellence" operates these days, I wouldn't be expecting too much more work to come their way from the OPCW...

It really boggles my mind that people are willing to believe that kind of vile propaganda.

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^^^ As Theresa May's sad 'story' continues to disintegrate before our eyes, she takes comfort knowing there are plenty of salted, boggled minds willing to stick with her to the bitter end.  :)

Keep Calm and Carry On

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15 hours ago, ChaosRose said:

It really boggles my mind that people are willing to believe that kind of vile propaganda.

 
Lol!

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Could this finally be that 'secret evidence' Steve has been telling us about, vindicating GB's position, putting Russia to shame.. ?

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-14/uk-produces-dossier-prove-russian-motive-skripal-poisoning-russia-says-uk-abducted

Keywords: 'may', 'likely', 'highly likely', 'highly unlikely', 'there is no plausible alternative explanation'.

 

So.. anyone heard anything about the Russian laboratory found in regards to the Salisbury event? Seems to be somewhat of a hickup in that bombshell story somewhere.

 

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The standards in verification are so rigid that one can trust the findings. #Skipal

Yet, we apparently can't trust that whoever is behind this tweet even knows how to correctly spell the name of the victim.  Not much credibility here.

By the way, it's Skripal, not Skipal...for those interested in facts.

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Yeah, a spelling mistake clearly indicates that they're wrong.

BS.

Look...one side thinks that dictators can do no wrong, and makes every excuse for them...even spelling errors. 

I'm not on that side. 

They're bad people doing bad things. 

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On 4/14/2018 at 9:34 AM, hacktorp said:

Independent Swiss Lab Says 'BZ Toxin' Used In Skripal Poisoning; US/UK-Produced, Not Russian

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-14/independent-swiss-lab-says-bz-toxin-used-skripal-poisoning-usuk-produced-not

My previous post was a bit premature that "Theresa May gassed her own people".

But now confirmed by an independent Swiss lab.

Oh surprise...

Zero Hedge's content has been classified as "alt-right",[3] anti-establishment, conspiratorial, and economically pessimistic,[4][5] and has been criticized for presenting extreme and sometimes pro-Russian views.[2][6][7][2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge

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12 hours ago, hacktorp said:

Yet, we apparently can't trust that whoever is behind this tweet even knows how to correctly spell the name of the victim.  Not much credibility here.

By the way, it's Skripal, not Skipal...for those interested in facts.

Wednesday 18th April. we'll find out which Laboratories were used by the OPCW. and no doubt more details will emerge. the conspiracy theorists will have to create yet more excuses and reasons.

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On 14/04/2018 at 5:34 PM, hacktorp said:

Independent Swiss Lab Says 'BZ Toxin' Used In Skripal Poisoning; US/UK-Produced, Not Russian

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-14/independent-swiss-lab-says-bz-toxin-used-skripal-poisoning-usuk-produced-not

My previous post was a bit premature that "Theresa May gassed her own people".

But now confirmed by an independent Swiss lab.

Did you read the UN-OPCW report? Yesterday OPCW officials, in a formal private session of member nation representatives, have confirmed that the BZ identified by the Swiss lab was in a control sample and not in any actual sample taken in Salisbury:

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The Director-General of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), Ambassador Ahmet Üzümcü, updated the OPCW Executive Council about the Salisbury incident at its 59th meeting.

On 4 April I updated the Council on the activities carried out by OPCW experts in support of a request for technical assistance by the United Kingdom related to the incident in Salisbury (EC-M-57/DG.1, dated 4 April 2018). Since then, the Organisation received the results of the sample analysis conducted by four designated laboratories. Based on these results, the Technical Secretariat prepared a report which it transmitted to the United Kingdom and, upon their request, to all other States Parties (TAV/02/18, dated 12 April 2018). In addition, we also made available an unclassified executive summary of that report.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland requested technical assistance from the OPCW Technical Secretariat, under subparagraph 38(e) of Article VIII of the Chemical Weapons Convention, in relation to an incident in Salisbury on 4 March 2018 involving a toxic chemical—allegedly a nerve agent—and the poisoning and hospitalisation of three individuals. 

The OPCW team worked independently and is not involved in the national investigation by the UK authorities. No State Party was involved in the technical work carried out by the Technical Secretariat.

OPCW designated laboratories are a lynchpin of the Organisation’s verification regime and its capacity to investigate allegations of the use of chemical weapons. They must be able to perform off-site analysis of chemical samples collected by OPCW inspectors from chemical production facilities, storage depots and other installations, or from the site of an alleged use of chemical weapons. These laboratories offer the necessary assurance to our States Parties that chemical analyses needed to make determinations or to clarify issues occurring during OPCW deployments are carried out competently, impartially, and with unambiguous results. 

 

The facts are the UN-OPCW have independently confirmed the UK's analysis of the nerve agent, and we also know the nerve agent was in liquid form.

Where do the conspiracy theorists go from here?

 

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6 hours ago, stevewinn said:

Where do the conspiracy theorists go from here?

Nowhere I'd guess.

Don't want minor details such as factual information getting in the way of a good yarn... :rolleyes:

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It's ALL in the realms of so called  ''''conspiracy theory'''' - from the government and those questioning the government -

Boris Johnson being the worst offender -  

If the OPCW agree with the UK's (aka Porton Down's) analysis then they agree that the origin of the nerve agent cannot
be pinpointed....

The whole history of the nerve agent dubbed Novichok is vague and it's exact make up imprecise anyway,.... ? 

As far as I'm concerned this whole Salisbury thing has been politically motivated finger pointing designed
to smear Russia in the lead up to the Syria strikes --- perception management - 

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/long-read-does-the-uks-case-against-russia-stack-up

“Only one part works,” he says, “50 per cent of the mixture is inactive. So when you can’t specifically define these things, you have a bit of a problem.”

The upshot of the ambiguity is that there’s never been a universally recognised definition of Novichoks. Experts disagree about exactly which molecular structures should classify, and there have been no peer-reviewed scientific studies.

There’s also a lack of evidence about which ones are effective, and which are not. Plus, no government has ever offered up information about them, nor admitted making them.

This has made it impossible for regulators like the OPCW to pinpoint exactly what is meant by “Novichok”, and list its molecular structures on the schedule of chemical weapons.

 

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On 4/16/2018 at 9:36 AM, stevewinn said:

Wednesday 18th April. we'll find out which Laboratories were used by the OPCW. and no doubt more details will emerge. the conspiracy theorists will have to create yet more excuses and reasons.

 

I don't think they will say which laboratories were used -

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/12/novichok-used-in-spy-poisoning-chemical-weapons-watchdog-confirms-salisbury

The OPCW does not have the power to identify the source of the nerve agent, only to spell out its chemical properties. It is standard OPCW procedure not to identify the laboratories involved in testing the samples, but the organisation draws from a multilaterally agreed list of labs.

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Good news, everyone! Since the Assad Gasses Babies Once Again Simply Because He Wants to Demonstrate to the World Just How Pure Evil He Is storyline seems to have run out of steam now that highly respected journalists have, to all intents and purposes, proved that it was all a load of bullpoo, the hapless May government has decided to try to prod some life into the Skripal Affair again! The Government's Chief Expert has a declared that all decent, Government-trusting citizens of the brave city of Salisbury, which has come under the ruthless Chemical Weapons Blitz by Russia's Mad Tyrant Putin, should be extremely afraid and perhaps invest in a decontamination suit since there might be Putin's Terror Poison lying about all over the place, which the Security Forces might have apparently overlooked :blush:. And we know that the Government's Chief Expert can be trusted completely because he's completely independent and nothing to do with the Government at all, it's not like they pay him and have the ability to fire him if he doesn't comply wit their propaganda, no. :no: 

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Look how angry it makes Boris

Image result for boris johnson angry

(apparently he's auditioning to take the place of the late, great Ken Dodd.)

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5 hours ago, Vlad the Mighty said:

Good news, everyone! Since the Assad Gasses Babies Once Again Simply Because He Wants to Demonstrate to the World Just How Pure Evil He Is storyline seems to have run out of steam now that highly respected journalists have, to all intents and purposes, proved that it was all a load of bullpoo...

Maybe you should remember when you're posting your... ohh so droll witticisms concerning Assad, just what this man has been doing to the citizens of his own country for the last seven years, such as raining barrel bombs on their heads.

Or is this simply more evil Western propaganda too?

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5 minutes ago, LV-426 said:

Maybe you should remember when you're posting your... ohh so droll witticisms concerning Assad, just what this man has been doing to the citizens of his own country for the last seven years, such as raining barrel bombs on their heads.

Maybe you should remember all the women and children the western  forces have rained bombs on over that same time frame while demanding that it couldn't have been western forces who perpetrated or even staged this act. 

5 minutes ago, LV-426 said:

Or is this simply more evil Western propaganda too?

No they actually attacked the terrorists in their nation. Somehow attacking terrorists makes the US good guys and Assad a bad guy. 

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1 hour ago, Farmer77 said:

No they actually attacked the terrorists in their nation. Somehow attacking terrorists makes the US good guys and Assad a bad guy. 

Terrorists such as women and children in refugee camps, schools and hospitals?

Assad 'dropped 13,000 barrel bombs on Syria in 2016', watchdog claims

"The report from the Syrian Network for Human Rights (SNHR) found that Syrian regime helicopters dropped 12,958 barrel bombs in 2016 in total. The strikes resulted in the deaths of 653 civilians, SNHR found, including 166 children and 86 women."

"Barrel bombs are among several particularly damage-inflicting types of bombs that have been dropped on rebel held areas by the Syrian government, with the help of the Russian air force."

"SNHR also found that barrel bombs had caused damage to 97 structures throughout the country classified as civilian, such as refugee camps, places of worship and schools, as well as 28 medical facilities. 

Both Damascus and Moscow were warned by the UN last year that such bombing, if deliberate, constituted war crimes."

1 hour ago, Farmer77 said:

Maybe you should remember all the women and children the western  forces have rained bombs on over that same time frame while demanding that it couldn't have been western forces who perpetrated or even staged this act.

Lay blame and show all the animosity you want towards your own governement along with those of Western allies, but don't try to paint Assad as some kind of terrorist fighting hero.

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