The Us And Them Mentality!

[Farmer77]

1 minute ago, LV-426 said:

The problem is when they start getting taken seriously, which is what's beginning to happen.

You're right but again the historical corollaries are there: prohibition, book burnings, anti sodomy laws etc. All of which prove your point that nothing good can come from extremism but I think in general there is a major overreaction occurring to the ebb and flow of western culture. 

 

[LV-426]

29 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

You're right but again the historical corollaries are there: prohibition, book burnings, anti sodomy laws etc. All of which prove your point that nothing good can come from extremism but I think in general there is a major overreaction occurring to the ebb and flow of western culture.

We'll see where the chips fall I guess.

My major concern is that the voice of reason seems to missing at the minute. Most Western politicians are afriad to stand up to the loonies on the fringes. The rise in right-wing politics is the result, and unless a balance is somehow found, sooner or later the scales will tip too far one way.

How many metaphors did I manage to fit in there?

[LightAngel]

 

[Truthseeker007]

I think the us and them mentality will always be in a third dimensional reality. You yourself as an individual must raise vibrations onto a higher level to step onto that dimension where there isn't an us and them mentality.

[LightAngel]

1 hour ago, Truthseeker007 said:

I think the us and them mentality will always be in a third dimensional reality. You yourself as an individual must raise vibrations onto a higher level to step onto that dimension where there isn't an us and them mentality.

 

Can we please just focus on the reality we live in right now!

This topic is about humanity. 

I know that I'm the creator of my own life, but I care about humanity and the world we live in right now.

[I'mConvinced]

If only we'd been designed and not evolved through natural selection then this wouldn't be a problem.  Whilst we're still limited by our biology then there is no hope for solving the 'us vs them' problem as it's a direct artifact from our tribal past.

[Truthseeker007]

1 hour ago, LightAngel said:

 

Can we please just focus on the reality we live in right now!

This topic is about humanity. 

I know that I'm the creator of my own life, but I care about humanity and the world we live in right now.

Love is all you need to change the world.

[I'mConvinced]

35 minutes ago, Truthseeker007 said:

Love is all you need to change the world.

If only you could define what that actually means we might get somewhere.  As it stands it's just a meaningless comment with no depth.

[LightAngel]

51 minutes ago, Truthseeker007 said:

Love is all you need to change the world.

 

Many people don't understand each other's emotions, so first people have to learn to understand each other's emotions, and then they can learn to share love in a way people can recognize!

So love isn't enough, we also need to act wisely.

[WoIverine]

On 3/6/2018 at 4:43 AM, LightAngel said:

Share your thoughts about it.

I'm very tired of it.

I see it everywhere I look, and it breaks my heart because it is holding humanity back from being the Gods they are!

Why not try to understand instead of judging?!

 

 

I agree, I'm tired of it as well. It'd be nice if there actually was peace on Earth for a change.

The "us and them mentality" is a divide and conquer tactic, united we stand...divided we fall.

I don't want to be a God. The last time someone said,

"I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High."

It didn't work out too well, pride cost him everything.

 

[Truthseeker007]

17 minutes ago, LightAngel said:

 

Many people don't understand each other's emotions, so first people have to learn to understand each other's emotions, and then they can learn to share love in a way people can recognize!

So love isn't enough, we also need to act wisely.

That is true. Love isn't hard to understand but emotions can be complicated.

[LV-426]

1 hour ago, LightAngel said:

So love isn't enough, we also need to act wisely.

Damn those Beatles and their fake news!

 

[khol]

 "us and them" seems to derive from the habit of people always focusing on the differences of one another instead of the similarities ..which is unfortunate

Edited March 12, 2018 by khol

[+joc]

1 hour ago, LightAngel said:

 

Many people don't understand each other's emotions, so first people have to learn to understand each other's emotions, and then they can learn to share love in a way people can recognize!

So love isn't enough, we also need to act wisely.

You said something before...don't remember where...about recognizing that those around us may have unresolved pain.  That touched me on a deep level.  I think most of us probably have some unresolved pain.  That does speak to one's emotions.  We might not be able to understand each other's emotions on all levels...but understanding just that...the unresolved pain...I think goes a long way.

[thegreatweard]

The whole world is increasingly intolerant, there is almost no altruism

[WoIverine]

55 minutes ago, joc said:

You said something before...don't remember where...about recognizing that those around us may have unresolved pain.  That touched me on a deep level.  I think most of us probably have some unresolved pain.  That does speak to one's emotions.  We might not be able to understand each other's emotions on all levels...but understanding just that...the unresolved pain...I think goes a long way.

Wow, man that is awesome. Thank you for posting that.

[sarah_444]

“World peace must develop from inner peace. Peace is not just mere absence of violence. Peace is, I think, the manifestation of human compassion.”

-Dalai Lama

[Crazy Horse]

7 hours ago, I'mConvinced said:

If only we'd been designed and not evolved through natural selection then this wouldn't be a problem.  Whilst we're still limited by our biology then there is no hope for solving the 'us vs them' problem as it's a direct artifact from our tribal past.

It is not a question of biology, but of consciousness.

Our "tribal past" may have led us to this particular place with this particular attitude, but a simple belief and understanding that we are all One, would give us a New Tribe, without the need for any kind of us and them attitude.

[Crazy Horse]

3 hours ago, .saraharas. said:

“World peace must develop from inner peace. Peace is not just mere absence of violence. Peace is, I think, the manifestation of human compassion.”

-Dalai Lama

Loving kindness is the manifestation of compassion.

[Crazy Horse]

6 hours ago, LightAngel said:

 

Many people don't understand each other's emotions, so first people have to learn to understand each other's emotions, and then they can learn to share love in a way people can recognize!

So love isn't enough, we also need to act wisely.

LA, I would suggest that understanding, sharing, recognition, and wisdom are all different aspects of love. That with love comes all the necessities for better relationships and a better world!

 

 

[I'mConvinced]

47 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

It is not a question of biology, but of consciousness.

Our "tribal past" may have led us to this particular place with this particular attitude, but a simple belief and understanding that we are all One, would give us a New Tribe, without the need for any kind of us and them attitude.

So you say, yet no one can agree what that means exactly, or how we get everyone to accept a single view.  It doesn't give us any rules to live by and it doesn't help us get past our tribal instincts.

So while it's a nice sentiment it has no practical application, unless you can provide the framework and rules that everyone must follow.

[Crazy Horse]

1 minute ago, I'mConvinced said:

So you say, yet no one can agree what that means exactly, or how we get everyone to accept a single view.  It doesn't give us any rules to live by and it doesn't help us get past our tribal instincts.

So while it's a nice sentiment it has no practical application, unless you can provide the framework and rules that everyone must follow.

No rules as such, just one simple belief in the Oneness of Creation.

That you and I and the whole of humanity are essentially One and the Same Thing. This idea put into practice would quite naturally and quite peacefully bring an end to poverty, war etc, along with this false notion of them and us. The practical application would arise through every word, thought, and deed done by anyone who lived by this one simple idea.

Would you steal, or hurt, or lie to anyone if you truly saw them as another expression of yourself? 

 

[Duke Wellington]

On ‎06‎/‎03‎/‎2018 at 9:43 AM, LightAngel said:

Share your thoughts about it.

I'm very tired of it.

I see it everywhere I look, and it breaks my heart because it is holding humanity back from being the Gods they are!

Why not try to understand instead of judging?!

What sort of problems are you encountering? Is this workplace or social? Without knowing more information I can only offer unspecialised advice. Human beings have psychological needs (covered by Maslow`s Hierarchy of Needs and Herzberg`s Hygiene Theory) and these include those needs associated with the dreaded ego - power, self-esteem, attention, fame, wealth, and recognition. Unfortunately we all have different boundaries, and some no boundaries at all, when it comes to acceptable behaviours to engage in when trying to satisfy our psychological needs. At one extreme you have the altruistic, at the other toxic personalities and criminals.

The way you deal with people is get to see what they are like to begin with and note what their boundaries are like. Is the person good? Are they polite? Are they moral? Do they rarely do anything wrong? Do they attention seek? Are they rude and abrasive? Are they controlling? Are they bullying? Do they steal? Do they neglect their responsibilities? Do they undermine and bad mouth others? Do they play workplace politics? Do they isolate and divide? Do they give the silent treatment? Do they gas light and use ambient abuse? Do they press peoples buttons? Are they violent or threatening or intimidating? Are they frequently angry, moody or bad tempered? Do they appear to enjoy it if they illicit a negative emotion or reaction from others? If you notice any of the negative or behaviours in there watch them to ascertain if its about power, low self-esteem, attention seeking, fame, money, or recognition. In essence, ascertain what their game is really about. Also take note of whether they are obsessive or suffer from OCD.

Once you know them and identify someone as toxic then dont allow them to suck you into their games. Disengage from them whenever they try to use you in their scheming. Be indifferent, boring, dont speak negatively of others, dont get caught up in drama they try to create, and if you need too then keep your distance from them unless its about your job. Dont become a part of any cliques which exist or which people try to create in the workplace. Instead be professional and friendly to all. By all I mean those inside the clique, those outside it, and those being targeted by it. If its at work then dont be afraid to engage with and get to know the managers at all levels too. Do not get sucked into other peoples arguments or conflicts. And do all of this even if the toxic person (and their clique) is mean back to you.

Very few people get anywhere in life by cheating their way to the top. The man or woman with nothing going for them and with poor boundaries often tries this approach. Unfortunately they turn loads of other people against themselves through their negative behaviours outlined above. As the queue of people who hate them grows the bad reputation they have also gets painted onto their clique members. As the queue gets longer they end up with loads of people just waiting to get them a warning, to expose their activities, or tip off the police. They ruin their jobs and their lives for themselves. All they need is time!

In those rare occasions at work when the management dont have a clue and promote the toxic person then dont worry. The man or woman with nothing going for them wont perform in the role anyway. They lack the ability and have too many people who hate them to perform. Remember - managing means dealing with other people and toxic people ruin their relationships with others quite fast. Just make sure you protect yourself because a process will begin where they will blame everybody and everything except themselves for their inability to perform. At first naïve senior managers might believe them or give them the benefit of the doubt but a few months down the line they see through the excuses.

And if the management team is competent (some of the management team have management and business degrees or related professional qualifications) then they wont get promoted anyway. When we got taught our trade we all got informed about the games people play in the workplace. We know far more about workplace politics, scheming, and toxic personalities than most others realise. We dont promote toxicity or their cliques. We perform damage limitation on them if they have vital skills (isolate them from non-toxic employees) or get rid using performance management once we realise what we employed. Even worse for them, we seek out and promote those who dont engage in negative politics, plots, schemes. Why? Because when we promote someone we have to work with them too and its not good for us if we have to constantly watch our backs or deal with someone trying to shaft us to get ahead.

[I'mConvinced]

31 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

No rules as such, just one simple belief in the Oneness of Creation.

That you and I and the whole of humanity are essentially One and the Same Thing. This idea put into practice would quite naturally and quite peacefully bring an end to poverty, war etc, along with this false notion of them and us. The practical application would arise through every word, thought, and deed done by anyone who lived by this one simple idea.

Would you steal, or hurt, or lie to anyone if you truly saw them as another expression of yourself? 

 

Depending on the situation and context I might. That's the problem with speaking in absolutes, it sounds great but doesn't achieve anything.

Take 'lies' for example, they are an integral part of society and removal of them would be bad for us. I tell 'white lies' all the time. 

This is why you have to get specific if you want to enact real change. If you could come up with a fair-for-all system of spiritual and physical fulfilment then we'd have a basis for discussion. As it stands you're presenting a sentiment that, whilst good in nature, serves no practical way for us to implement it...whatever 'it' is.

[simplybill]

I see the ‘Us vs. Them’ problem as an unintended consequence of Social Media culture. Before the Internet, a polite decorum was more common, and it was considered boorish behavior to loudly proclaim one’s opinion to a captive crowd. If politeness didn’t keep things under control, there was always the unspoken threat of physical contact to keep someone in line. The Internet has made it possible for everyone to dive into the scrum of debate without risking a bloody nose.