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F3SS
1 minute ago, Manwon Lender said:

I think Trump made a big mistake for doing this, he is giving legitimacy to Kim and getting nothing in return. Kim doesn't need to be kept in the worlds lime light, he hasn't really done anything to deserve it yet.

I tend to agree, screw him but what do you do? 

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Manwon Lender
2 minutes ago, F3SS said:

I tend to agree, screw him but what do you do? 

There isn't much that can be done, I just wish the President would wake up and see how this all looks.

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Michelle

I don't think diplomacy is ever a bad way to go.

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Manwon Lender
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14 minutes ago, F3SS said:

I tend to agree, screw him but what do you do? 

Did you hear, Trumps press secretary got nocked around and hurt by charging North Korea journalists. That whole situation was not planned and became completely out of control. Even Trumps security detachments had no plans in cases this happened, watch the footage, North Korea reports are running all around trump, I have never seen anything like it. He is lucky nothing happened him, that whole situation was crazy.

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Manwon Lender
1 minute ago, Michelle said:

I don't think diplomacy is ever a bad way to go.

Well, maybe your right, but we will just have to agree to disagree.

have a nice day

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Michelle
9 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

Did you hear, Trumps press secretary got nocked around and hurt by charging North Korea journalists. That whole situation was not planned and became completely out of control. Even Trumps security detachments had no plans in cases this happened, watch the footage, North Korea reports are running all around trump, I have never seen anything like it. He is lucky nothing happened him, that whole situation was crazy.

Yes I did...it's a great example of what it is like living under a truly fascist regime. They wanted complete control over the information that was released and didn't want the US press in. I wish Jim Acosta had been there to witness true fascism in action.

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F3SS
1 hour ago, Manwon Lender said:

There isn't much that can be done, I just wish the President would wake up and see how this all looks.

If there is a look to be had then this is as good of a look as can be right now. You bring up a good point about security there. This was about as impromptu of a visit as the president can have there, crazy stuff could have gone down but it didn't. Progress is being made. This was a milestone. I don't expect that he gives up nukes but if there's is an alternative positive ending here then it has to begin somewhere and so far so good. It's a big deal for NK to be stepping out like this. They are, after all, the Hermit Kingdom.

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Manwon Lender
15 minutes ago, F3SS said:

If there is a look to be had then this is as good of a look as can be right now. You bring up a good point about security there. This was about as impromptu of a visit as the president can have there, crazy stuff could have gone down but it didn't. Progress is being made. This was a milestone. I don't expect that he gives up nukes but if there's is an alternative positive ending here then it has to begin somewhere and so far so good. It's a big deal for NK to be stepping out like this. They are, after all, the Hermit Kingdom.

I do agree to some point, however, things could have turned really bad. Trump doesn't use common sense, this makes me wonder if the man has a death wish. But we will just have to wait and see what happens. I will bet that his secret service detachments **** their pants, because they completely dropped the ball.

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Captain Risky
11 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

I do agree to some point, however, things could have turned really bad. Trump doesn't use common sense, this makes me wonder if the man has a death wish. But we will just have to wait and see what happens. I will bet that his secret service detachments **** their pants, because they completely dropped the ball.

You really think the secret service was **** ing their collective pants? Just sayin...

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27 minutes ago, F3SS said:

If there is a look to be had then this is as good of a look as can be right now. You bring up a good point about security there. This was about as impromptu of a visit as the president can have there, crazy stuff could have gone down but it didn't. Progress is being made. This was a milestone. I don't expect that he gives up nukes but if there's is an alternative positive ending here then it has to begin somewhere and so far so good. It's a big deal for NK to be stepping out like this. They are, after all, the Hermit Kingdom.

It might have sent a stronger message if Kim had to cross the border to meet with  President Trump.  Kim did not have to compromise, step out of his comfort zone, or leave his country.  He just had big meetings with Russia and China, he might be feeling more secure knowing what backing he has. Now it rather looks like Kim summoned President Trump. to his turf.  That is a powerful propaganda message for his people, their dear leader is supreme on the world stage.  They don't get to hear all of the rebuttals the US might make to that argument.

Imagine if that were Nancy Pelosi he were meeting in her office with her aids swarming around  instead of Kim.  Would the optics for the President  been good? Would he look in control of the situation and the more powerful of the two?

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Manwon Lender
38 minutes ago, F3SS said:

If there is a look to be had then this is as good of a look as can be right now. You bring up a good point about security there. This was about as impromptu of a visit as the president can have there, crazy stuff could have gone down but it didn't. Progress is being made. This was a milestone. I don't expect that he gives up nukes but if there's is an alternative positive ending here then it has to begin somewhere and so far so good. It's a big deal for NK to be stepping out like this. They are, after all, the Hermit Kingdom.

I have been thinking about thiis a lot, I don't think there was a chance anything could have happened. I know that I said it could have in prior posts. However, I suspect that China, Russia and others would rather keep President Trump right where he is. Our nations diplomacy and foreign affairs are really really weak world wide, thanks to President Trump. I have not seen America weaker than she is right now thanks to the current administration. If things continue like they are we will not have friends on the world stage, we are alienating everyone who ever follow our nations leadership.

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Manwon Lender
17 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

You really think the secret service was **** ing their collective pants? Just sayin...

Yes I do, that whole situation was completely out of control. They were people running all around Trump, and don't know if you noticed where was his security. The only people around him were North Koreans, and I am certain that wasn't scripted. There obviously no plan and if there was it went out the window.

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Sir Wearer of Hats
1 hour ago, Tatetopa said:

It might have sent a stronger message if Kim had to cross the border to meet with  President Trump. 

Nah, you see this shows a powerful leader as a humble one seeking peace. It allows Kimmy to keep face, builds a bridge and also subtly shows disregard for the possible threat from North Korea, no guards etc. 

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third_eye

Let's be honest here, Chubby Kim punk'd Trump... with Trump's tactics I might add

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Captain Risky
2 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

Yes I do, that whole situation was completely out of control. They were people running all around Trump, and don't know if you noticed where was his security. The only people around him were North Koreans, and I am certain that wasn't scripted. There obviously no plan and if there was it went out the window.

Maybe the secret service isn’t as passionate about protecting this president and his unscripted meetings compared to last presidents. But what I was thinking, where is the presidential football (nuclear launch codes) that are never supposed to be far from the president? 

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The meeting itself was fine. But three Trump things came out of this G20 as far as Trump on the international stage in concerned.

1. his swooning over Kim;

2. his lack of concern over the alleged plight of N Korean negotiators allegedly at Kim's behest,

3. his praise of MBS and his total disregard of the Khashoggi incident 

Ivanka didn't fair much better with the French showing she is totally out of her depth.

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Captain Risky said:

Maybe the secret service isn’t as passionate about protecting this president and his unscripted meetings compared to last presidents. But what I was thinking, where is the presidential football (nuclear launch codes) that are never supposed to be far from the president? 

That is a good question, but I suspect that they would not take it to a demilitarised zone, facing an enemy nation. I am certain that they have protocols for situations like this. I worked for a Major years back, who carried the Foot Ball for Bush senior. He was not  allowed to talk about anything relating to that job. So I have no idea, but still it is a great question.

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16 hours ago, F3SS said:

Yep, he's gonna start WW3. I've never seen a president try so hard not to be at war. Between this and choosing not kill bomb and kill 150 people in Iran over a drone, how about a round of applause?


:clap:

bless Trump for seeking Peace not War...

and behaving like a real leader not just a puppet for the Military Industrial Complex and Globalists..

bless his heart - and well done to Kim Jong Un as well...  

jaw jaw - not war war - :yes:

 

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The historic moment...

lol.... how many photos do they need...!!!

 

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Susanc241
8 hours ago, Gromdor said:

That being said, I don't ever see Kim giving up nukes.  it's the thing that got Trump to actually come to him.  The current situation with Iran seems to be the results of getting rid of them.

Would the USA or Russia or any other nuclear capability countries voluntarily give up their weaponry?  No, I don’t  think so.  The U.K. holds them as a deterrent (if you believe the powers that be), as probably other countries claim they do.  With trying to make other countries non nuclear it is like 'do as I say, not as I do'!  Everyone should have them, or preferably, none.  And that ain’t going to happen, is it?

As someone said elsewhere in this thread, if this is a genuine attempt (the DMZ meet yesterday) to reduce the paranoia of North Korea (the average citizen appears to think that America is full of two headed monsters bent on destroying them and their country) it can only be for the good.  Every raproachment has to start somewhere, however small.  But I do wonder if the average citizen of North Korea will actually see that footage, but they should.  Even the South Koreans looked gobsmacked!

What is that saying?  'Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer'.  Method in the apparent madness, maybe?

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Posted (edited)
17 hours ago, F3SS said:

Yep, he's gonna start WW3. I've never seen a president try so hard not to be at war. Between this and choosing not kill bomb and kill 150 people in Iran over a drone, how about a round of applause?

 

sometimes it seems like his enemies and detractors WANT him to be the one to kick off a serious military
conflict that leads to a world war and the death and homelessness of countless millions of innocent people
who basically just want to live their lives in peace and enjoy the basic comforts of life...

sometimes it seems like his enemies and the warmongers that circle him would love to lead him down the
war path... then point the finger and go... see..!!.... see!!.... what did we say... now look what he's done...!!
(while secretly rubbing their hands together in glee - as long as it's not them or their families and
friends that cop it.. )

 

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Manwon Lender
10 minutes ago, Susanc241 said:

Would the USA or Russia or any other nuclear capability countries voluntarily give up their weaponry?  No, I don’t  think so.  The U.K. holds them as a deterrent (if you believe the powers that be), as probably other countries claim they do.  With trying to make other countries non nuclear it is like 'do as I say, not as I do'!  Everyone should have them, or preferably, none.  And that ain’t going to happen, is it?

As someone said elsewhere in this thread, if this is a genuine attempt (the DMZ meet yesterday) to reduce the paranoia of North Korea (the average citizen appears to think that America is full of two headed monsters bent on destroying them and their country) it can only be for the good.  Every raproachment has to start somewhere, however small.  But I do wonder if the average citizen of North Korea will actually see that footage, but they should.  Even the South Koreans looked gobsmacked!

What is that saying?  'Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer'.  Method in the apparent madness, maybe?

You don't have to worry, all of North Korea will see what happened. I think that the real question is what they will be told happened. I beleive Kim will use this as propaganda and tell his people something to the effect that look what I have done. This guy is coming to see me, I have him right where I want him. I don't think this was in the best interest of America, I think it happened because of Kim's recent visits with China and Russia. In Asia the mind set is different, the weaker always come to see the stronger, not the other way around.

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14 minutes ago, Susanc241 said:

Would the USA or Russia or any other nuclear capability countries voluntarily give up their weaponry?  No, I don’t  think so.  The U.K. holds them as a deterrent (if you believe the powers that be), as probably other countries claim they do.  With trying to make other countries non nuclear it is like 'do as I say, not as I do'!  Everyone should have them, or preferably, none.  And that ain’t going to happen, is it?

As someone said elsewhere in this thread, if this is a genuine attempt (the DMZ meet yesterday) to reduce the paranoia of North Korea (the average citizen appears to think that America is full of two headed monsters bent on destroying them and their country) it can only be for the good.  Every raproachment has to start somewhere, however small.  But I do wonder if the average citizen of North Korea will actually see that footage, but they should.  Even the South Koreans looked gobsmacked!

What is that saying?  'Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer'.  Method in the apparent madness, maybe?

 

just a speculative point.... but I do wonder if nuclear weapons are in reality yesterday's WMD and that there could
be a more modern weaponry that has superceeded it.. like some kind of space based laser thing...

surely to god anyone with a brain cell realises that even a limited first strike nuclear war will pollute the whole
earth and earth atmosphere over time - and that a nuclear war is not winnable for these reasons..

the Chernobyl nuclear disaster quietly polluted sheep munching their grass in Wales and we will never know how many
people suffered and got cancer from just that - 

 

  

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Gromdor
5 hours ago, bee said:

 

just a speculative point.... but I do wonder if nuclear weapons are in reality yesterday's WMD and that there could
be a more modern weaponry that has superceeded it.. like some kind of space based laser thing...

surely to god anyone with a brain cell realises that even a limited first strike nuclear war will pollute the whole
earth and earth atmosphere over time - and that a nuclear war is not winnable for these reasons..

the Chernobyl nuclear disaster quietly polluted sheep munching their grass in Wales and we will never know how many
people suffered and got cancer from just that - 

 

  

Well yeah,  nukes are technology over 70 years old.  It's what makes it so hard to stop countries like North Korea from developing it.  It's last century technology.

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Last century technology or not, there's no arguing what they're capable of. Aside from a Star Trek style world destroying laser how much more destructive and efficient at killing does a weapon need to be?

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