papageorge1 Posted March 18, 2018 #26 Share Posted March 18, 2018 18 minutes ago, oldrover said: It's the Daily Mail. I appreciate that as an American you're not usually subjected to it, so may well not be aware of its reputation, but it's a rag. If they printed that the sky was blue I'd pop out and check. I am aware of that. But that doesn't disqualify the story either. They'd be happy to show a real ghost too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted March 18, 2018 #27 Share Posted March 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, Stiff said: I think it can be said with utter certainty. The word 'sham' comes to mind. Sorry, the word 'closed-minded serial denier' comes to my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiff Posted March 18, 2018 #28 Share Posted March 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Black Monk said: That's why some ghosts walk across rooms and then through walls: when they walked along that room in life - during the moment that become "recorded" - there was probably a doorway there that is now blocked up, so it appears as though the ghost is walking through the wall. Oh please. How many houses do you know that have had a doorway blocked up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted March 18, 2018 Author #29 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, freetoroam said: Why would she have posibly been on the HMS Victory as a ghost when she never set foot on his ships when she was alive. Well it shows you how much you know. Frances, who married Nelson in 1787 and died in 1831, was a regular visitor to HMS Victory. Her ghost and that of Nelson are often spotted on the Victory. Nelson, famously, acquired himself a mistress, Lady Hamilton, and he began to detest Frances, even hating being in the same room as her. Events came to a head around Christmas 1800, when, according to Nelson's solicitor, "Fanny" issued an ultimatum to her husband. Nelson replied: I love you sincerely but I cannot forget my obligations to Lady Hamilton or speak of her otherwise than with affection and admiration. The two never lived together again after this. Edited March 18, 2018 by Black Monk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted March 18, 2018 #30 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Black Monk said: Well it shows you how much you know. Frances, who married Nelson in 1787 and died in 1831, was a regular visitor to HMS Victory. Her ghost and that of Nelson are often spotted on the Victory. Nelson, famously, acquired himself a mistress, Lady Hamilton, and he began to detest her, even hating being in the same room as her. Events came to a head around Christmas 1800, when, according to Nelson's solicitor, Fanny issued an ultimatum to her husband. Nelson replied: I love you sincerely but I cannot forget my obligations to Lady Hamilton or speak of her otherwise than with affection and admiration. The two never lived together again after this. Please provide a link. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldrover Posted March 18, 2018 #31 Share Posted March 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Black Monk said: Well there's stone around the ship making up the dry dock she's in. But even though it's called "stone tape theory" there's nothing to suggest it can't occur anywhere. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Tape The Victory is in dry dock number 2 at Portsmouth, I don't know when this dock was constructed but I believe it was there in Nelson's era. However, for the stone tape theory to apply to the stones around the ship, Mrs Nelson would have had to visit him on the ship whilst it was in this same dry dock. That doesn't sound terribly likely to me. Especially as the date it was moved there was 1921. About the theory in general, there's no evidence that it occurs around stones either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted March 18, 2018 Author #32 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, oldrover said: The Victory is in dry dock number 2 at Portsmouth, I don't know when this dock was constructed but I believe it was there in Nelson's era. However, for the stone tape theory to apply to the stones around the ship, Mrs Nelson would have had to visit him on the ship whilst it was in this same dry dock. That doesn't sound terribly likely to me. Especially as the date it was moved there was 1921. About the theory in general, there's no evidence that it occurs around stones either. The Stone Tape theory is the speculation that ghosts and hauntings are analogous to tape recordings, and that mental impressions during emotional or traumatic events can be projected in form of energy, "recorded" onto rocks and other items and "replayed" under certain conditions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Tape Edited March 18, 2018 by Black Monk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldrover Posted March 18, 2018 #33 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Black Monk said: The Stone Tape theory is the speculation that ghosts and hauntings are analogous to tape recordings, and that mental impressions during emotional or traumatic events can be projected in form of energy, "recorded" onto rocks and other items and "replayed" under certain conditions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Tape Yes, I've known about it since I was a kid. Which is why I made the above post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted March 18, 2018 #34 Share Posted March 18, 2018 12 minutes ago, freetoroam said: MORE? He was not with Fanny when he was on the HMS Victory and prior to this she wrote him letters...until OK, I don't know all that British history and will accept what you say. Perhaps that Tony Ferguson even while being British does not know his history. But that woman in the video (whoever she may have be) is certainly someone. An honest ghost capture is possible and a hoax is possible at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiff Posted March 18, 2018 #35 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, papageorge1 said: But that woman in the video (whoever she may have be) is certainly someone. Oh I'd definitely agree with that. Except she's very much alive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted March 18, 2018 #36 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Just now, Stiff said: Oh I'd definitely agree with that. Except she's very much alive. That is one possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted March 18, 2018 #37 Share Posted March 18, 2018 13 minutes ago, Black Monk said: Frances, who married Nelson in 1787 and died in 1831, was a regular visitor to HMS Victory. Her ghost and that of Nelson are often spotted on the Victory. Nelson went on the HMS Victory in 1803..by then he was with Hamilton.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted March 18, 2018 Author #38 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, freetoroam said: Nelson went on the HMS Victory in 1803..by then he was with Hamilton.. How does that prove that it's not the ghost of Frances Nelson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiff Posted March 18, 2018 #39 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Black Monk said: How does that prove that it's not the ghost of Frances Nelson? More to the point... how does anything prove that it is? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted March 18, 2018 Author #40 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Stiff said: More to the point... how does anything prove that it is? And, likewise, how does anything prove that it isn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiff Posted March 18, 2018 #41 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Black Monk said: And, likewise, how does anything prove that it isn't? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted March 18, 2018 Author #42 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted March 18, 2018 #43 Share Posted March 18, 2018 19 minutes ago, Black Monk said: How does that prove that it's not the ghost of Frances Nelson? It proves if they are making up stories then they are making up ghosts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted March 18, 2018 Author #44 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, freetoroam said: It proves if they are making up stories then they are making up ghosts. I'm not quite sure it does actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted March 18, 2018 #45 Share Posted March 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, Black Monk said: This is getting ridiculous 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted March 18, 2018 Author #46 Share Posted March 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, seanjo said: Looks like a fella's walk to me. If it is a bloke, he's wearing a dress and high heels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted March 18, 2018 Author #47 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Here's another Tony Ferguson video onboard HMS Victory (which, don't forget, is still a commissioned Royal Navy ship): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted March 18, 2018 #48 Share Posted March 18, 2018 9 minutes ago, Black Monk said: I'm not quite sure it does actually. I am sure it does...actually 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted March 18, 2018 Author #49 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, freetoroam said: I am sure it does...actually It doesn't prove such a thing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiff Posted March 18, 2018 #50 Share Posted March 18, 2018 9 minutes ago, seanjo said: Looks like a fella's walk to me. Funny you should say that. I nearly put she(?) in an earlier statement as I thought the similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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